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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: madhaviben


SO TRUE. it remined my dadi she from my childhood always keep saying learn this and that , ke sasural jakar kya karogi, and always more expectation from girl and bahu more than a boy . we always get mad at my brother for the same resone. that he got more attention good food and all the time pampard than us. and nothing changed after marraige also expectation form in-law and hubby also. one thing is true it is hard to stay with in laws 24/7. its does not matter how hard you try can never make every one happy . and same time they try to take there son on thair side , and one thing no one is like NAITIK . i am still trying hard after 17years. and in USA. indian mantaliti never change i gess . i still have HOPE one day will come which will be my day.

yeah.. absolutely true.. aunty..
even my dadi.. says the same to me.. i live in a nuclear family in delhi and all my relatives stay in kolkata.. she was dead against me studying in a co-ed skool.. u noe.. "bacchi bigad jaaegi n all".. it was just because of my mother that m studying in a co-ed skool.. even now wen she cums to visit her.. i can sense her conservative approach towards lyf.. n itz now.. wen m old enuf to understand wat all is happening in front of me.. i realise sum things never change n it is for our betterment that we leave the things as they are.. n only hope that one day everythng will be fyn..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: madhaviben


SO TRUE. it remined my dadi she from my childhood always keep saying learn this and that , ke sasural jakar kya karogi, and always more expectation from girl and bahu more than a boy . we always get mad at my brother for the same resone. that he got more attention good food and all the time pampard than us. and nothing changed after marraige also expectation form in-law and hubby also. one thing is true it is hard to stay with in laws 24/7. its does not matter how hard you try can never make every one happy . and same time they try to take there son on thair side , and one thing no one is like NAITIK . i am still trying hard after 17years. and in USA. indian mantaliti never change i gess . i still have HOPE one day will come which will be my day.


again awesome post kaumudi.. u are seriously inspiring me these days...👏 👏 n i also agree wid madhavi...😭 i myself being marwadi relate to this show very much.. its sad to admit but characters protrayed in this show like nani, baisa, n even dadi are very much real n do exit in our community...girls are not given that much liberty as compared to guys.. family's expectations are always higher on girls like they need to look good, cook well, speak softly, should keep fast for gud husband, should play a role model of good daughter, wife, DIl, n even mother...🤢right from their childhood they are refrain from getting good education, going out alone even for a movie its a big deal for them, in short they are trained to be dependent on their spouse for every small things..😡 but i do feel this trend is changing slowly for the better.. their mentality is growing wider with changing time ...i hope it improves faster with the present scenario.. 😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gutky


again awesome post kaumudi.. u are seriously inspiring me these days...👏 👏 n i also agree wid madhavi...😭 i myself being marwadi relate to this show very much.. its sad to admit but characters protrayed in this show like nani, baisa, n even dadi are very much real n do exit in our community...girls are not given that much liberty as compared to guys.. family's expectations are always higher on girls like they need to look good, cook well, speak softly, should keep fast for gud husband, should play a role model of good daughter, wife, DIl, n even mother...🤢right from their childhood they are refrain from getting good education, going out alone even for a movie its a big deal for them, in short they are trained to be dependent on their spouse for every small things..😡 but i do feel this trend is changing slowly for the better.. their mentality is growing wider with changing time ...i hope it improves faster with the present scenario.. 😃

ah.. im honoured di.!!!! thanx for this.. these are just feeling taking form of words.. nothing else.!!
well.. neways.. u r rite.. the trend is changing.. but.. it is on a very slow pace.. n there are still miles to go before we actually call ourselves "modern" and at pace with other cultures.. not the western culture specifically.. but the other indian cultures as well.. lyk the maharashtrian and the punjabi culture.. ppl.. especially women are at much more ease when we look at them.. the ppl are not very stringent when it cumz to following rules.. unlike in rajasthani culture.. where ghunghat na rakho to bus.. aasman hi gir padega abhi.!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: moonlight08

ah.. im honoured di.!!!! thanx for this.. these are just feeling taking form of words.. nothing else.!!

well.. neways.. u r rite.. the trend is changing.. but.. it is on a very slow pace.. n there are still miles to go before we actually call ourselves "modern" and at pace with other cultures.. not the western culture specifically.. but the other indian cultures as well.. lyk the maharashtrian and the punjabi culture.. ppl.. especially women are at much more ease when we look at them.. the ppl are not very stringent when it cumz to following rules.. unlike in rajasthani culture.. where ghunghat na rakho to bus.. aasman hi gir padega abhi.!!


🤣 i understand ur emotions but all these things happens in remote Rajasthan ... in metropolitan cities girls are equally important ..in fact they are turning out to be better than men in each field.. be it education, career, health etc... yaah some sorts of restrictions are still prevalent but i think that can be easily ignored...😃 coming to the point since the show is based on rural udaipur in rajasthan.. its very much real n hence many ppl relate to this show very easily.. but also the show highlights on marwadi culture n tradition with their beautiful songs, their big houses, plot, eating habits, etc..in the end makes the show worth watching...😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Some of you mentioned it right, to my experience I did find Indian family to be a lot lot LOT less conservative. But my mother in law wears that saree so neatly, and I don't mind at all to touch her feet on special occasions as per the local custom which he taught me. I think we all need to make adjustments it we want a relationship to last. She is very kind to me, and he have always been beside me.

But my sister in law is a very obedient and sweet girl who is looking forward to her marriage, even though once she told me how much she wanted to pursue an MBA before any thing such as marriage. It is ofcourse an arranged marriage which is not exactly obsolete (as generally believed in India) in Europe. Atleast not in Poland, where relatives like aunts sometimes get involved in fixing a date for their neices or nephews, ofcourse the decision to get married depends on the girl and the boy. It is something like the arranged marriage, but not like the Indian one where the girl seemed to have no other choice but to say "yes" or "no". The marriage she must to to the correct caste (... which is quite an irony because I'm a caucasian white catholic and definitely not on the right caste, not that I complain or try to make her look at this example, but it does naturally occur to my mind), correct financial background, correct date, correct religion! The "Correct" is ofcourse the decision of my mother in law (she is very sweet though) and my father in law (who is a wonderful man, but his word seems to be the last 😊).

I think in a marriage everyone must come to some adjustment. It cannot only come from the Newly Wedded Wife, the adjustment must also come from the man, the parents of both the families. Otherwise how will everyone be happy? ... Is it not what all these people are looking for? They keep chanting the eternal search for "Happiness". How can there be complete happiness without the joy of Akshara?

No she never complains, maybe thats why I thought she just let herself sink deeper into this submission. Sometimes we must say "I'm sorry, I can't". There is no harm is there?

About liberty of women: I know that we all have limits. I respect the Indian ways, and I myself wish to put my family first before anything. Fortunately the man I have loved is someone who I can trust and is a sincere man. I don't need to do one job, but if I must then I will have an option open. Because sometimes it can become necessary.

I was surprised how the oldest man in the home got annoyed when he saw Akshara driving.

I never say these things which I am saying here to my in laws (I dun want to be "Oh that loud mouth white girl!" 😆). Just sometimes to my sister in law share with me and I share too, she is like a friend.

By the way, I was never really asked to do so much as Akshara. Infact the family in which I live also love the tradition alot. I do try and help my inlaw in the kitchen too, but she takes it easy with me 😛. Which is good, maybe they have lot less expectation as they would from an Indian girl. But love is there, I can feel it.

I can see so much expectation of obedience from my sister in law. Which is, ok. I cannot say much, I definitely dont want to create a mess for the family, myself or most importantly him! But this should change soon surely. A girl, no matter where she is from, gives in a lot she enters a marriage.

By the way my husband is original of Delhi, so I guess its not Rajasthan culture? It is different everywhere? Different by huge margins or less? I was told less ... but it sounds from you guys that its huge!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi

Some of you mentioned it right, to my experience I did find Indian family to be a lot lot LOT less conservative. But my mother in law wears that saree so neatly, and I don't mind at all to touch her feet on special occasions as per the local custom which he taught me. I think we all need to make adjustments it we want a relationship to last. She is very kind to me, and he have always been beside me.

But my sister in law is a very obedient and sweet girl who is looking forward to her marriage, even though once she told me how much she wanted to pursue an MBA before any thing such as marriage. It is ofcourse an arranged marriage which is not exactly obsolete (as generally believed in India) in Europe. Atleast not in Poland, where relatives like aunts sometimes get involved in fixing a date for their neices or nephews, ofcourse the decision to get married depends on the girl and the boy. It is something like the arranged marriage, but not like the Indian one where the girl seemed to have no other choice but to say "yes" or "no". The marriage she must to to the correct caste (... which is quite an irony because I'm a caucasian white catholic and definitely not on the right caste, not that I complain or try to make her look at this example, but it does naturally occur to my mind), correct financial background, correct date, correct religion! The "Correct" is ofcourse the decision of my mother in law (she is very sweet though) and my father in law (who is a wonderful man, but his word seems to be the last 😊).

I think in a marriage everyone must come to some adjustment. It cannot only come from the Newly Wedded Wife, the adjustment must also come from the man, the parents of both the families. Otherwise how will everyone be happy? ... Is it not what all these people are looking for? They keep chanting the eternal search for "Happiness". How can there be complete happiness without the joy of Akshara?

No she never complains, maybe thats why I thought she just let herself sink deeper into this submission. Sometimes we must say "I'm sorry, I can't". There is no harm is there?

About liberty of women: I know that we all have limits. I respect the Indian ways, and I myself wish to put my family first before anything. Fortunately the man I have loved is someone who I can trust and is a sincere man. I don't need to do one job, but if I must then I will have an option open. Because sometimes it can become necessary.

I was surprised how the oldest man in the home got annoyed when he saw Akshara driving.

I never say these things which I am saying here to my in laws (I dun want to be "Oh that loud mouth white girl!" 😆). Just sometimes to my sister in law share with me and I share too, she is like a friend.

By the way, I was never really asked to do so much as Akshara. Infact the family in which I live also love the tradition alot. I do try and help my inlaw in the kitchen too, but she takes it easy with me 😛. Which is good, maybe they have lot less expectation as they would from an Indian girl. But love is there, I can feel it.

I can see so much expectation of obedience from my sister in law. Which is, ok. I cannot say much, I definitely dont want to create a mess for the family, myself or most importantly him! But this should change soon surely. A girl, no matter where she is from, gives in a lot she enters a marriage.

By the way my husband is original of Delhi, so I guess its not Rajasthan culture? It is different everywhere? Different by huge margins or less? I was told less ... but it sounds from you guys that its huge!
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u noe it all depends on family to family.. some families are very conservative.. lyk in my case.. since i live in a nuclear family.. my mother still has freedom.. but my aunts who r in a joint family.. living with my grandparents.. they do not njoy that much freedom.. in fact.. now.. they kinda learnt to adjust..
n as i said.. it is sometimes necessary for her to undermine her wishes just for the sake of the family.. in conservative family.. women hav to do this a lot more.. while in modern families.. this is sumwat less..
on daddaji.. as u sed.. being annoyed when akshara wanted to drive.. i agree with charu di here.. dis is not the way eldest person in the family shud behave.. u noe.. sulking if his orders are not met.. well.. that is just in the show.. creators of the show get some cinematic liberty of which they take full advantage.. otherwise.. i dnt think people lyk daddaji still exist.. i mean in terms of the way he manages the family..
wel.. the cultural difference.. india is a diverse country.. 28 states.. n 28 different cultures.. one for each state.. n this culture difference is huge.. people from rajasthan are a lot more conservative.. as in the show.. while punjabi's and marathi's are a bit liberal when it cums to these matters.. n yes.. since ur husband is originally from delhi.. n delhi being the capital of India.. open-ness is there.. but otherwise.. in other cities.. difference is huge.. we were earlier residing in KOlkata.. that too is a metropolitan city.. but still.. when we shifted to delhi.. my mother found it hard to adjust to the culture here.. imagine.. if difference of culture is between 2 metropolitan cities.. m sure it wud be even more between a town and a city...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gutky


🤣 i understand ur emotions but all these things happens in remote Rajasthan ... in metropolitan cities girls are equally important ..in fact they are turning out to be better than men in each field.. be it education, career, health etc... yaah some sorts of restrictions are still prevalent but i think that can be easily ignored...😃 coming to the point since the show is based on rural udaipur in rajasthan.. its very much real n hence many ppl relate to this show very easily.. but also the show highlights on marwadi culture n tradition with their beautiful songs, their big houses, plot, eating habits, etc..in the end makes the show worth watching...😆

times mite be changing di.. but not in my house for sure.. my mother still has to keep ghunghat in front of my grandfather.. though itz been 18 years of my mothers marriage with my father.. still.. rules hav not changed for us.. we may be living in delhi.. but my mother still has to wear sarees and keep the ghunghat on in front of him.. dat's the way he lyks it.. women are.. of course better than men.. be it education and all.. that's all true di.. but.. we hav to accept ki these things.. which are typical of a marwadi culture do exist even now.. n not just my family m taking as a reference.. my neighbour.. they too r marwadi.. n they are even sticter than us.. the whole north delhi.. is filled with baniyas from rajasthan and haryana and there u see.. women still wear sarees.. cover their head in front of their in-laws..
m not saying that times are not changing.. they certainly are.. but.. oh.. watever.. leave it.. i hav so many thots in my mind but dnt realy noe how to transform them into words..
but the show.. yeah.. it is definitely worth a watch.. dat's y m still here defending it.!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kaumudi,

You are right. Perhaps, I myself become too linear in refuting the reality altogether from the script. All is not so straight forward black and white and our society is not entirely de-traditionalized. And something close to this may well be a way life for some.

What I really meant was the exaggeration, excess and illogic present in the script and its limited scope to represent the entire society. For however numerous example in real India, this is certainly not reflecting it entirely, which was the question of thread starter ('India'). In Mumbai even in many Marwari families (many friends'), these rigid traditions (ghunghats etc.) are discarded way back. At least in my milieu (Gujarati Jain) no one would take trouble to be so meddlesome (babies etc.) or would dare treat women with out respect due.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

Hey Charu- long time not seen!😃

I was trying to point out the serial maker's one dimensional, far from reality, linear way of scripting. Only things they borrow from the reality is a set-up (two three families), ambience and some plausible character sketches. Then on, after some initial brilliance or some occasional flashes in the pan, nothing stays real and we are stretched to find relevance-which we do, after allowing for these fables' soap drama nature.


completely agree...one more thing which i'm saying repeatedly ke i dun relate to is akshara's choices..which wife wud want not want to go with her husband on an outing and do ghar ka kaam instead 🤢 ask a woman frm any strata of the society..dhoodh wali to kaam wali to MBAs !

yes, a bahu has a lot more responsibilities..she has to maintain a balance b/w her husband and her in laws, make sure peace prevails and they dun think that bahu has controlled their son..but how many of us do it at the cost of our happiness and personal life? frm her marriage till date, MU always happened bec. of Nandini, Gayitri, BM, or Daddaji..it was never naitik and akshara..or was it? i dun remember.....the girl has abs no individuality..her motto is that elders are always right bec. they have raised us..it's getting too much now...the good old akshara is back with bhainsa now 🤢
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: moonlight08

times mite be changing di.. but not in my house for sure.. my mother still has to keep ghunghat in front of my grandfather.. though itz been 18 years of my mothers marriage with my father.. still.. rules hav not changed for us.. we may be living in delhi.. but my mother still has to wear sarees and keep the ghunghat on in front of him.. dat's the way he lyks it.. women are.. of course better than men.. be it education and all.. that's all true di.. but.. we hav to accept ki these things.. which are typical of a marwadi culture do exist even now.. n not just my family m taking as a reference.. my neighbour.. they too r marwadi.. n they are even sticter than us.. the whole north delhi.. is filled with baniyas from rajasthan and haryana and there u see.. women still wear sarees.. cover their head in front of their in-laws..

m not saying that times are not changing.. they certainly are.. but.. oh.. watever.. leave it.. i hav so many thots in my mind but dnt realy noe how to transform them into words..
but the show.. yeah.. it is definitely worth a watch.. dat's y m still here defending it.!!!


Kamudi, traditional marwari families and ppl. of the age of baisa and nani must be conservative but what about today;s generation? Udaipur, as i know, should not be THAT backward...specially families like Singhanias..see, they use every modern gadget & luxery, sent their son abroad to study..i dun think these well to do families who are exposed to modern culture can remain so much conservative....specially with "hum bahar ki mithai nahi khate" and achar papad r homemade and movies nahi jaana and girls should not work or study, girl and boy must not talk before marriage...

ur right..i dun how how u related punjabi culture with modernism but yes, i've never seen singhania type families in my life...i'm in chandigarh n my parents currently reside in Noida but i was born and brought up in Gwalior..it's a town in MP...kehne ko it used to be a small town but i never saw this conservativeness over there in any family..yes, i saw my mom and aunties and all neighbours wearing saarees, less of salwar suites...my dadi's saas was like baisa but she herself is so sweet, caring and adjusting, she never put any restriction on my mom or chachis..or her grandchildren...she kept her views, her traditions to herself...if she took pallu, she never asked my mom to do it..so it depends on person to person....akshara's dadi is of same gen. of nani and baisa but she's exactly the opposite...
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