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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_


Kamudi, traditional marwari families and ppl. of the age of baisa and nani must be conservative but what about today;s generation? Udaipur, as i know, should not be THAT backward...specially families like Singhanias..see, they use every modern gadget & luxery, sent their son abroad to study..i dun think these well to do families who are exposed to modern culture can remain so much conservative....specially with "hum bahar ki mithai nahi khate" and achar papad r homemade and movies nahi jaana and girls should not work or study, girl and boy must not talk before marriage...

ur right..i dun how how u related punjabi culture with modernism but yes, i've never seen singhania type families in my life...i'm in chandigarh n my parents currently reside in Noida but i was born and brought up in Gwalior..it's a town in MP...kehne ko it used to be a small town but i never saw this conservativeness over there in any family..yes, i saw my mom and aunties and all neighbours wearing saarees, less of salwar suites...my dadi's saas was like baisa but she herself is so sweet, caring and adjusting, she never put any restriction on my mom or chachis..or her grandchildren...she kept her views, her traditions to herself...if she took pallu, she never asked my mom to do it..so it depends on person to person....akshara's dadi is of same gen. of nani and baisa but she's exactly the opposite...


exactly charu dii.. that is wat i meant 2 say earlier...😃 @ kaumudi as u mentioned earlier in ur post it depends upon family to family...i belong to a nuclear family in Mumbai n my family is residing here since more than 25 yrs..even i'm banya n my father is also very conservative by nature, but then he also understands today's generation n has accepted some modernity in his lifestyle too.. in fact my whole society is filled with marwadi banyas n Brahmin's... there are more than 50 flats in my building..n i've noticed most of the ladies prefer wearing suits rather than sarees, they are highly qualified, independent n enjoying their respective jobs, they go 4 outings, n are always engaged in some sorts of activities.... n surprisingly their in-laws have no issues n are really fine with it.... may be the section of society where i live is more modern than urs, but i do believe that the trend and mentality which ppl used 2 have earlier has changed completely atleast in cities..😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

Kaumudi,

You are right. Perhaps, I myself become too linear in refuting the reality altogether from the script. All is not so straight forward black and white and our society is not entirely de-traditionalized. And something close to this may well be a way life for some.

What I really meant was the exaggeration, excess and illogic present in the script and its limited scope to represent the entire society. For however numerous example in real India, this is certainly not reflecting it entirely, which was the question of thread starter ('India'). In Mumbai even in many Marwari families (many friends'), these rigid traditions (ghunghats etc.) are discarded way back. At least in my milieu (Gujarati Jain) no one would take trouble to be so meddlesome (babies etc.) or would dare treat women with out respect due.

u r absolutely rite here.. the exaggeration.. as i mentioned earlier.. is always there.. this is the part and parcel of daily soaps.. some things are exaggerated to an extent where we find it difficult to digest.. for instance.. akshara in yesterday's episode.. that lady was so happy to get back her kitchen that she forgot everything else.. it looked very fake to me..
but overall.. if we see.. this is the way life is for most of the people in rajasthan.. the basic layout remains the same - a woman has to sacrifice to keep her family together... yes.. sacrifices which akshara is making is goin bit too far.. i dnt noe y a woman is undermining his husband's needs just to please his family.. wen he is the only one who cares for her.. charu di is absolutely rite here..
yeh rishta sometimes seems as a typical daily soap.. but then.. every show has its own pros and cons.. n we can't really help it..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_

Kamudi, traditional marwari families and ppl. of the age of baisa and nani must be conservative but what about today;s generation? Udaipur, as i know, should not be THAT backward...specially families like Singhanias..see, they use every modern gadget & luxery, sent their son abroad to study..i dun think these well to do families who are exposed to modern culture can remain so much conservative....specially with "hum bahar ki mithai nahi khate" and achar papad r homemade and movies nahi jaana and girls should not work or study, girl and boy must not talk before marriage...

ur right..i dun how how u related punjabi culture with modernism but yes, i've never seen singhania type families in my life...i'm in chandigarh n my parents currently reside in Noida but i was born and brought up in Gwalior..it's a town in MP...kehne ko it used to be a small town but i never saw this conservativeness over there in any family..yes, i saw my mom and aunties and all neighbours wearing saarees, less of salwar suites...my dadi's saas was like baisa but she herself is so sweet, caring and adjusting, she never put any restriction on my mom or chachis..or her grandchildren...she kept her views, her traditions to herself...if she took pallu, she never asked my mom to do it..so it depends on person to person....akshara's dadi is of same gen. of nani and baisa but she's exactly the opposite...

yes.. u r very rite here di.. i agree with u totally.. but as i sed in my earlier post.. it all depends on family to family.. even in the show,, akshara's maayka is a bit more modern than wen we compare it to the singhania's.. they are not so strict wen it cums to following the rules.. may be because of presence of dadi in house.. she doesn't allow vishambhar or rajshree to force their opinions on other family members.. they are free to do anything that they want till the condition that it doesn't harm anyone..
as for the singhania's.. they are conservative.. as well biased.. munna jo marzi kare.. ladkiyon ki itni choot nhi hai.. i was watching yeh rishta on star utsav some days ago.. n there.. rajshri n all hav cum to singhania's on the occasion of akha teej.. munna cums back after meeting akshara.. sits on the dining table to eat and without washing his hands.. he starts to eat.. wen gayitri objects.. bhabhi ma tells her to let munna do as he wishes.. "ladke to hote hi laparwah hai".. while she was the same person to tell rashmi to do pooja before eating.. this is conservative approach is mixed with bias.. bending more towards boy than a girl.. as well as towards beti than a bahu..
i live in delhi.. n wat i hav seen in my neighbours.. punjabi's are not very conservative wen it cums to following the tradition.. during some festivals.. most of the punjabis here wear suits.. they dnt take pallu's in front of their in-laws.. free to roam around.. while wat i hav observed in my community that married women hav to take care about a lot.. ghunghat rkho.. saree pehno.. n all that.. i m not saying it must be prevalent everywhere.. i just saw it here in my neighbours.. my mother says this thing.. punjabi's are a lot more free.. humein dkho.. din bhar kitchen mein hi pade rehte hai.. n this is the difference even i hav noticed.. now whether this is only in my family.. im not too sure.. but the difference is certainly there.. but again.. it all depends on family to family as well person to person i guess..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gutky

exactly charu dii.. that is wat i meant 2 say earlier...😃 @ kaumudi as u mentioned earlier in ur post it depends upon family to family...i belong to a nuclear family in Mumbai n my family is residing here since more than 25 yrs..even i'm banya n my father is also very conservative by nature, but then he also understands today's generation n has accepted some modernity in his lifestyle too.. in fact my whole society is filled with marwadi banyas n Brahmin's... there are more than 50 flats in my building..n i've noticed most of the ladies prefer wearing suits rather than sarees, they are highly qualified, independent n enjoying their respective jobs, they go 4 outings, n are always engaged in some sorts of activities.... n surprisingly their in-laws have no issues n are really fine with it.... may be the section of society where i live is more modern than urs, but i do believe that the trend and mentality which ppl used 2 have earlier has changed completely atleast in cities..😃

yeah.. wat u r saying is true.. depends a lot on family to family.. n also on the place where we live.. mumbai n delhi are modern cities.. my mother too wears suits and jeans wen my grandparents are not here.. but wen they cum.. or we visit them in Kolkata.. my mother returns to her sarees and ghunghats n all..
it also depends on person to person.. my family is headed by a strict patriarch.. n even my father is like him.. that is why may be.. my mother has to obey the rules of our society.. coz she has no-one to support her in these matters..
yeah.. in cities.. the trend has changed completely.. no doubts about it.. although there are sum people who hav not yet learnt to move with tym.. lyk daddaji.. lyk baisa and many more u'l find here and there.!! more in town for sure.. n less in cities..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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But there need to be balance in change too I feel . I love many of the Indian ways, specially the values. Unfortunately they only seem to be expecting it from the girls in the TV, or as my sister in law says, its all meant for a female audience and thus the females are shown to be supreme.

The men also need to be responsible for their actions. It is same with my husband, as he is hold responsible for his actions. This gave values I feel, some form of awareness is good, nothing extreme is ever advisable.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi

But there need to be balance in change too I feel . I love many of the Indian ways, specially the values. Unfortunately they only seem to be expecting it from the girls in the TV, or as my sister in law says, its all meant for a female audience and thus the females are shown to be supreme.

The men also need to be responsible for their actions. It is same with my husband, as he is hold responsible for his actions. This gave values I feel, some form of awareness is good, nothing extreme is ever advisable.

yeah.. that is true.. if u r looking at indian culture as our daily soaps portray it.. u r advised not to.. they are sumtyms highly misleading.. the kind of exaggeration that they show is over-whelming.. itz better that u look at the real life issues and not the reel life ones to get a better insight of india..
these shows are just for entertainment.. if u r trying to learn sumthing from it.. itz all in vain..
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