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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AaishaM

Thank you so much for this post 👍🏼


I have been saying the same things since the day Naina had unilaterally decided to break up with Sameer and your thoughts mirror mine.


The red flags you have mentioned should always be kept in mind. I have been in a relationship which repeatedly showed me those red flag and I Chose to ignore them. So I very well understand the valid concerns you have raised through this post and appreciate you for putting it up in such a systematic manner.


Every girl in this country knows how her parents would react if they ever find out about her affair. We are living in the 21st century but there are parents who would never allow their children to get married by their choice. I know my parents are open minded and they would whole heartedly accept the boy of my choice, provided they think he is a genuine person. One of my friend's family is very conservative and likewise she knows her decision of getting married by her choice would never be entertained. So, all I wanted to say is Naina knew all this while that her family won't agree for a love marriage. Moreover hee has always seen Rakesh and Arjun Insulting Sameer; she has seen how her family has ways taunted Meghaben for elopong, when Sameerr was in Delhi and Naina was in a dismal state, for the first few days she was repeatedly slapped/scolded by Taiji because she had a doubt that Naina was having an affair. Despite all this, Naina chose to continue with her love story. Why? 3 years is not a small timee and that too being in a relationship which is so deep and pure.


Does 3 years of togetherness not deserve a chance? Does this deep and true love (claimed by both Samaina) not deserve atleast one try from Naina? She was the one who has always tested Sameer to figure out whether his pyar is shadi vala or not. Why she did all this? To back out at a time when she needs to pass the test?

I so agree to the adjustment point you raised. It was Sameer who has always adjusted. Infact he has always motivated her to excel in everything she does and has always rejoiced in her happiness while I have never seen Naina encouraging him for anything or being happy when he achieved something. And also, everytime when he planned something for her, Naina enjoyed it to the fullest and when the plan ended up in a disaster, she conveniently blamed him. Teenage me pyar ke liye ghar me jhuth bolna, bahane banana SAB karte hainn, real test to tab aata hai na jab aapne us pyaar Ko duniya ke samne batana hota hai? And Naina chose to escape from this conundrum. I am not angry at Naina for thinking about her family's love and trust (though there were many moments where she had broken her chachaji's trust without even feeling guilty or introspeting herr acts). I am angry at Naina for giving up on their love without even trying. She is being an escapist. She claims she doesn't want Sameer to go through the same pain Shefali went through when Arjun bhaiya ditched her. Then why is she punishing Sameer for someone else's fault? Why a single question from Shefali shook her to the core despite knowing the depth of her own relationship? She claims she wants to save Sameer yet doing the same thing which would destroy him. She claims she doesn't want people to point fingers at Sameer but deep down she is scared of her family's wrath on her. She is definitely being an escapist. Assan rasta chuno or Nikal lo, assan hi rasta chun na tha to pyar Kiya kyu? Aur kar Liya to itne time tak nibhaya kyu?


And coming to Sameer, Naina has made Sameer emotionally dependent on her. People may not agree but I am of the view that she very well knows what damage her one rash decision is going to cost Sameer. She is the only one who had witnessed Sameer's vulnerable side when he talked about his mother. So I can not come to the conclusion that she doesn't know what Sameer would go through.

Naina was that fairy in Sameer's life who made him believe that he was worthy of being loved too.And by unilaterallyyy deciding to break up she took that thought away from Sameer too. He is back to square one. Every person he loved left him to tackle things on his own. According to me, she has no right to break his heart this way. He doesn't deserve this, their love does Not deserve this.


My best friend (girl)has gone through the same pain. I have seen her struggling day and night when her boyfriend ditched her. She could have done anything given the state she was in, yet she didn't choose to give up (It took her three years to even start leading a normal life). And the only complaint she ever had with her ex was why he didn't bother to try once? And I have the same complain with Naina, why she didn't try once? Parents maane ya na maane, that should be a secondary thing. How could she give up without giving her love a chance? Aage kya hota vo to Baad me sochte na Lekin Naina to maidan chodh kr hi bhaag li. And I don't think Sameer'ss outburst had any effect on her especially after the reply she gave him and walked off once again.

Your post was a nice read doctor. Your writing skills are amazing.


Hi AsishaM,

Thank you for the comment and you have raised some very practical insights to the post.

@ Rea:

Absolutely right. Relationships are always give and take. More so in between lovers. Yes, its true when in love, it does not matter how much one gives. There is more that can be given. However, this feeling must be there mutually.

Its is a fine balance and needs to be maintained consciously or subconsciously. Both should be happy to do things for the other and standing for the other when some major decisions come. Best love stories in real life are those, where both partners do these things without thinking or planning. It just happens.

These points, every young lover must keep a track of consciously or sub-consciously.

@ Blue:

Yes, Naina knew its going to be tough. Its's also true she is little shocked to see Rakesh and Co reacting the way they did when the Arjun~Shefali matter opened.

But after the initial fear, at one point, as an 18-Year Old Girl, she must have thought all the possibilities. Even if Naina or any person (Boy or Girl) in such a situation would be scared and if unsure regarding how to progress with her/his love, a proper discussion is always required.

In the tele world, dramas are created. But in real life, the issue ideally needs to be discussed as one is dealing with something as fragile and unpredictable as human emotion.

The one who is suddenly made to accept the unilateral decision regarding the relation might be adversely affected emotionally leading to do something stupid. For example, if Sameer has done what Naina did, there would be no sympathy for him. On that if Naina does something stupid to hurt herself then Sameer is practically sentenced by all. The same rules must be applied equally in regards to girls too taking unilateral decisions.

@Green:

The much coveted "Shadi Wala Pyaar". Yes its important because it is the parameter that the investment you put in the relation is for a better cause.

Otherwise whats is the difference between a man and an animal.

Girls, I feel (just my POV) are wired to "Shadi Wala Pyaar" as Indian society as such (more so in the 90s) is not flexible to give a girl multiple chances to find the love of her life. So, girls look for that "Shadi Wala Pyaar" for the perceived stability.

Naina also wanted that. Its very natural. However, when she is now sure that Sameer indeed has "Shadi Wala Pyaar" for her and would do anything to protect her pride, respect and dignity - She decides to unilaterally LEAVE him for his imagined happiness.

She agrees she is Coward and used that to justify a complete unilateral decision (discarding Sameer's dreams, wishes and desires - whom she loves). It all appears confusing as a 3rd person watching. So, one can very well understand the inner ramblings "Sameers" go through.

Sameer's vice over though makes it appear funny. He says "Yahan main Majnu Banke Baith Tha ... Aur Meri Naina ka Rishta Kahin Aur Ho Raha tha" He wants to make his younger version understand to get up and fight for Naina.

I do not agree with that. You can only fight when the person for whom you are fighting at least realizes that you are fightining for him/her.

@ Pink:True

@ Violet:

She is taking the path of least resistance - where she is answerable to least number of people. Mind it that BOYS also tend to do it a lot.

In this case, for Naina, it is facing the Entire Agarwal Clan vs a Single Sameer. That is the real reason.

(She is doing it for Sameer's good is like saying I am Pushing him in to Deeper Hurt as I am not sure if I can stand or atleast discuss it with Sameer)

@Red:

Very True. She showed such an incredible amount of love to a neglected "HandSome & Arrogant Boy" that the boy is now completely and utterly emotionally dependant on her.

She loved showering love on the vulnerable boy and enjoyed every-bit of the of the love he showered on her. And in the end gave her the decision - I can discard you from my life even if it hurts so much!

Thanks for the comments.

Regards
Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anmol333

I have no comment on this!

Full on power pack post hai ye.
Just wonderful doctor!


😃 Thanks,

Had a stretch of free time at that point.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Great post doc
Yet to read most of the replies

Good thread...good for reading and thinking
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: suhaaniladki

Hey Doc. .. First of all I would like to appreciate you for another fabulous post... Each and every bit was so accurately analysed by you 👏

I agree to each and every point u said... I have been through a similar situation in my life too .. So I could very much relate myself with sameers outburst in yesterday's episode . Each and every dialogue of sameer was something I wanted to say to my so called ex at that point of time but couldnt as just like sameer may be at some point I too comprised with my self respect just for the sake of our relation or may be in desperation to save my relation ... But all those efforts were actually thrashed by the other person .. This is a show right so ultimately hero herione will end up together eventually but in real life things are not that easy ... Only regret I had from him was for all those years we spend together not many but still enough to make me emotionally attach to him our relation atleast deserved single chance from his side .. Atleast fight toh bnta tha forget ghwaley agree hotey ya nhi but no he was as stubborn as naina is now ...but he chose his family over me and just simply said forget and move on thats good for both of us ...and now he was the same person who once consoled me by saying no need to fear when the time will come we will do sometime but when actually time came he simply chose to walk off leaving me with same lines forgot and move and may be we werent meant to be together even after seeing his cowardly side I still tried my best ... May be at the cost of my self respect but all in vain ... But today when I look back I m contended ok fine things didnt materialise from his side but I tried my level best I have no regrets may be this was the only way by which I could convince myself that it was all over... I m not saying choosing your family is wrong but yes leaving your lover in between whom u promised so many big things is definately wrong ... Heartbreaks brings some lessons with it ... Biggest I learnt was not to compromise with your self respect to the extent that your patner stops valuing it and too much adjustment from your side too can hamper the relation .. But in the end I m a happy single moved on in life happily .. Everything happens for good 😛
Being a girl I still relate to sameer more than naina in current situation
But during bet phase I supported Naina all those dialogues which she spoke of first love of girls were fab seems she has forgotten every bit of those ... There is some loopholes in charcter sketch of naina ... Or may be the story was supposed to go this way


Hi, My apologies for the late response.

Kudos to you for taking the stand and moving forward.

Without the value to ones's self respect no relation can progress happily. Most important thing is after the initial frustration is the belief that you were on the right approach. A person who loves you will care for your self respect.

Kudos to you and keep progressing.

Regards
Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think she needs to give respect .the relationship lacks respect from her side .bf gf husband wife relationship are different and apart from love respect has to be there for each others choice etc.She showed respect to Sameer earlier but somewhere it is not evident after pooja shadi. Delhi track was handled poorly and growth on naina side has not been shown at all.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hey yes Doc I find your post too much negative for Naina. I belong to 90s era and relate to Naina very much. The background she comes from has to be considered while doing analysis. Everything what Naina did as per you was for her enjoyment because she had got Mr. Prince charming as a boyfriend Things are never like that it is out of love for him that she dared to make a phone call. The girl never bothered about herself when ever her loved one in trouble. For example for Shanti teacher she was ready to tell the truth no matter what would be the consequences. For every demand Sameer made may be a bike ride or a movie date she had to fight with her fear of family pressure and guilt of breaking the trust. Adjusting to slaps or ill treatment is easy but to face a blame of breaking the trust is very difficult. And here a person decides to sacrifice A person can sacrifice only two things which he owns his love and life. I was also in love my parents trusted me they took a promise that I will never go for love marriage but things did happen but the only thing is that I didn't roam about with the person nor did I make any promises He came to know about my feelings in a weak emotional moment. i told my parents but I told them I will keep the promise given to you. I was suffering every moment and my parents noti Ed it and they finally decided to get me married to the same person. All are not that lucky
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Prerana167099

Hey yes Doc I find your post too much negative for Naina. I belong to 90s era and relate to Naina very much. The background she comes from has to be considered while doing analysis. Everything what Naina did as per you was for her enjoyment because she had got Mr. Prince charming as a boyfriend Things are never like that it is out of love for him that she dared to make a phone call. The girl never bothered about herself when ever her loved one in trouble. For example for Shanti teacher she was ready to tell the truth no matter what would be the consequences. For every demand Sameer made may be a bike ride or a movie date she had to fight with her fear of family pressure and guilt of breaking the trust. Adjusting to slaps or ill treatment is easy but to face a blame of breaking the trust is very difficult. And here a person decides to sacrifice A person can sacrifice only two things which he owns his love and life. I was also in love my parents trusted me they took a promise that I will never go for love marriage but things did happen but the only thing is that I didn't roam about with the person nor did I make any promises He came to know about my feelings in a weak emotional moment. i told my parents but I told them I will keep the promise given to you. I was suffering every moment and my parents noti Ed it and they finally decided to get me married to the same person. All are not that lucky



Hi Prerana, first of all congratulations.

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Now coming to then the post.

It's not being about positive or negative. It's about the effect of one person on another.

There are many points that can be said: however, you can have a look at another post of time and please read the comments. You will find comments both in favour and in negation of Naina. In particular read the comment by R & R.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/ye-un-dino-ki-baat-hai/5020070/yay-finally-naina-the-brave-but-still-selfish

We are not being negative without any reasoning. Just like random negativity is bad similarly unquestioned support is also silly.

In the above post link you will find all the points with complete analysis.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/ye-un-dino-ki-baat-hai/5020070/yay-finally-naina-the-brave-but-still-selfish

Yes that is What is creating the disconnect among many viewers who appreciated the character of Naina till today. Taking a choice for your family is not wrong. But, that is good for Naina and her family.

However, this is after all a story that is also about Sameer. Naina falling in to family issues is understandable. But the beheviour of the character towards Sameer is completely contrary and outright selfish in many ways which we have discussed in detail.

It had become a complete one side serving relation where Sameer has no say and is only doing what Naina in deciding depending on her family situation.

There can be various justifications for what is Naina doing and How she is behaving. But when taken in context of Sameer it is selfish. The guy seems to have been trapped with a wrong girl and her family.

Naina is a great daughter who can do any thing for her family including cold shouldering and ditching Sameer. The acceptance of Sameer depends only on the validation of Anand. Tomo what if Anand backtracks or any other Agarwal family member creats ruckus, Naina might again back out. Sameer will go mad.

Hence Naina might be great daughter but as far as Sameer is concerned Naina is not good or feasible for him, considerinng the present track.

This is where the writers have failed. In their attempt to show the great sacrificing oppressed Naina, they simultaneously created a boy's worst headache when it comes to love. That's is Sameer's predicament. He is in love with a girl who is tall in dialogues of love but not standing now with him by citing some excuse and justification.

That's why me and many others are feeling the disconnect with the character of Naina and also finding her selfish when it comes to her approach towards Sameer.

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