Delhi vala Sameer - Page 4

Originally posted by: dixie123

Hi Aaisha !

Yes, Sameer had changed being in Ahmedabad but that doesn't mean he can't do mistakes. I am ok for a 17yr old to make mistakes, fall into bad company. I didn't mind the Mawali track initially although I don't know why it was needed. Sameer could have gotten into bad company in school also. Anyway, I was expecting after the eve teasing Sameer will not want to hang out with the mawali guys and they are clearly not his type of friends. But, that didn't happen. I was disappointed with that part yesterday. Sameer is bored and lonely at home that he doesn't mind spending time with the mawali guys. At home it is suffocating for him and being with the mawali guys it was getting fresh air ? I wish they had chosen a better way to show him go downhill.

EDIT: Actually I admire the CVs to make the leads make mistakes again and again. In any show once the leads are in love baat katam they are the most perfect people in the world. They can never do any mistakes because they have shown to have done tons of mistakes while falling in love that they have learnt lessons for life !

Hey, Nivi, thanks for replying here🤗

Hello Aaisha!

Thank you for the post! Totally agree with the points you pit forward. I can't justify CVs intention behind showing this track. In my opinion, Delhi track was but obvious because Nanu died, however, they could have focused on the family relations rather than showing dadi and a servant conspiring against Sameer. They could've shown something logical to portray the hatred of dadi towards Sameer- which is definitely natural! Also, they could've shown Sameer-Rohan and Sameer-Deepika bonding gradually.

No offence to anyone but I am not convinced with the fact that out of boredom, a character like Sameer would roam with such people. I may be wrong but just my thought!

I agree with what Rucha said about TRPs because that's the sole reason why Indian TV shows go downhill after the first 6-7 months of its run! Though somehwere I did not expect it from YUDKH team. Just to drag the separation taking advantage of the USP of the show - SamAina, they are doing this. Anyway, there is only way to understand the reason behind having this track and that is to wait and watch.

This is completely my view. I would love if someone can prove me wrong and give better insights than I have. 😊

Good post. I understand that CVs want to show post Nanu's death and away from his close friends M&P and love NAina, Sameer is having a tough time. Hostile environment and evil Dadi is not helping the cause. So the free spirited Sameer gets suffocated and constrained in the strict, disciplined environment of Somani's and wants to break free. Now the points which are not acceptable is

Hi Aaisha,

Originally posted by: Veda1125

Hi Aaisha,

You have raised some valid questions/concerns! I am copy- pasting a part of response that I had posted on one of Samaina_90's post. This was in response to last week's episodes when Sameer's returns to Delhi from Ahmedabad and Naina and he decide to plant the rose plant. The then precap showed that he befriends the mawali gang. I will add my comments at the end. Apologies if the post becomes long and tedious. Here it goes-

Vishakha- is well meaning but is not able to see through the pain..If ur child runs away to another city why not investigate as to what his problem may be ? Why extinguish the fire only..why not find what caused the fire in the first place. She showered him with the much needed affection when he came back but did she try to find why did he run away in the first place? Somani is a disciplinarian who blindly trusts his mother. He has preconceived notions about Sam and his upbringing . Always puts him down. Dadi- Nothing to say. Sameer is surrounded in an unwanted/ unwelcome situation...maybe stressful for him...

Sameer way of releasing stress-

1. Hang out with new friends . They have appreciated him...his bike stunts..everyone else in Delhi is putting him down.

2. Smoking - Not new him. From occasional .. smoking may intensify . Now smoking is injurious to health and illegal to smoke If you are underage. It's not something , I endorse. However, in my opinion smoking /drinking is not a parameter of someone's character. Our brothers/friends/ husbands/ boy friends / ladies / girl friends etc. have done it, are doing it. Being in healthcare profession have worked with a variety of folks with issues with alcoholism /smoking /drugs etc. The issue of mental health / depression is often understated/ undiagnosed. The stress is everywhere. Each individual's response to a given situation is different.

Yes, Naina's love has helped Sameer a lot. Naina is that light that will guide his way...no doubt. The path..Sameer has to

cross on his own.

I highly doubt he will tease the girls..

look s like he may not share his problems/ loneliness with anyone . .even with Naina..just to keep her free from worries - she has already failed once..he will not take that chance again ...Not even Mundit..lest they share with Naina. Hence the dead plant- Pure speculation.

In extension to the above and the questions that you have raised my response-

Teenage is the age where taking risks.(.for things which are not age appropriate/socially unacceptable )is easy because one can be lead into it -as we have seen Sam easily justifying under the pretext of being afraid to be labeled as "fattu". Now one can argue that Sam could have very well differentiated right from wrong. Here is where he lacks the internal drive or self reflection. He is dependent on a external source like Naina, Mundit, (Nanu in the past) to give him that feedback(cigarette se kark rog hota hai) or directly make that call for him ( vada karo gharwalo se jhagda nahin karoge). The positive behavior from Naina during the bet phase led him reflection on his behavior resulting in a change..that we all fell in love with ...his character growth was appreciated. Unfortunately with the support system cut off..lack of positivity, Sam is unable to sustain the same behavior pattern..He takes the path of least resistance.

Parental guidance/supervision is of utmost importance. The narrative at this point suggests limited intervention by his mother..as I stated above, Vishakha is busy putting off the fire ..she is not worried as to the cause of the fire.

Rohan- He is aware of what his brother is doing, yet not informing parents... Is he supporting Sameer or just does not care?

Eve-teasing: Serious offense. Again Sam is shown sitting on the back seat of the motorcycle. Its implied he is directly not doing it himself but not stopping the guys from doing it also. Made one attempt to apologize before and did marpit...not enough..again lack of self regulatory behaviour and lack of social responsibility.

Please note that I am not trying to justify Sameer's behavior..it is just an approach to understand the underlying mechanism that is causing the fluctuations in the character.

Why does he repeat the same behavior again and again?

Even though he is intermittently in touch with Naina via letters, telephone calls he is still making blunders. I think at this point he is indulging in sense gratification- pure age related-

magazines, alcohol, smoking...these are stress busters!

The downfall may be a precursor to the epic rise of 'THE SAMEER MAHEHSHWARI'.

Genuine question to the makers- Why is Sameer not going to school?

P.S. - It is only coincidental that I had the opportunity to listen to a live talk on addiction yesterday. I cannot emphasize how vulnerable the youth/ teenagers are!!! Although the talk presented the statistics for the USA, the situations at large remain the same everywhere. The makers of YUDBH should be applauded for taking the risk of making their popular hero and the love story go through this route...because if not anything at least some discussion about addiction/eve teasing is going on!

Veda...
Well articulated. Esp the difference between what are lifestyle choices and serious offences.
My two pence
We may argue whether we found the portrayal of Sameer logical or not. However, it is not inconceivable that adolescent years are very important years in one's life. Our choices here may determine the future path.
Assuming that Sameer had the qualities to discern moral behaviour on the basis of his actions on the photo frame incident. I said this at that time as well.. What Sameer then displayed was the sense of ownership in relationship. To make public spaces safe, the solution is not to bar women from public spaces but ensuring that public spaces are clear of lumpen elements. When Sam witnessed the boys, he was a mute spectator only. I am not saying that Sam could have done much but the inherent point, was that he got upset to imagine Naina in that situation but has no understanding of any other individual in a that similar situation.
A interesting parallel is forming in the Naina Shanti Rakesh situation is also emerging to give Naina some lessons on guilt. She stayed quiet the last time when it involved her brother... wonder what she will do now?
Apnon ke liye toh sab khade ho jaate hain par kya gair ke liye bhi khade honge? That remains to be seen.

Originally posted by: Veda1125

Hi Aaisha,

You have raised some valid questions/concerns! I am copy- pasting a part of response that I had posted on one of Samaina_90's post. This was in response to last week's episodes when Sameer's returns to Delhi from Ahmedabad and Naina and he decide to plant the rose plant. The then precap showed that he befriends the mawali gang. I will add my comments at the end. Apologies if the post becomes long and tedious. Here it goes-

Vishakha- is well meaning but is not able to see through the pain..If ur child runs away to another city why not investigate as to what his problem may be ? Why extinguish the fire only..why not find what caused the fire in the first place. She showered him with the much needed affection when he came back but did she try to find why did he run away in the first place? Somani is a disciplinarian who blindly trusts his mother. He has preconceived notions about Sam and his upbringing . Always puts him down. Dadi- Nothing to say. Sameer is surrounded in an unwanted/ unwelcome situation...maybe stressful for him...

Sameer way of releasing stress-

1. Hang out with new friends . They have appreciated him...his bike stunts..everyone else in Delhi is putting him down.

2. Smoking - Not new him. From occasional .. smoking may intensify . Now smoking is injurious to health and illegal to smoke If you are underage. It's not something , I endorse. However, in my opinion smoking /drinking is not a parameter of someone's character. Our brothers/friends/ husbands/ boy friends / ladies / girl friends etc. have done it, are doing it. Being in healthcare profession have worked with a variety of folks with issues with alcoholism /smoking /drugs etc. The issue of mental health / depression is often understated/ undiagnosed. The stress is everywhere. Each individual's response to a given situation is different.

Yes, Naina's love has helped Sameer a lot. Naina is that light that will guide his way...no doubt. The path..Sameer has to

cross on his own.

I highly doubt he will tease the girls..

look s like he may not share his problems/ loneliness with anyone . .even with Naina..just to keep her free from worries - she has already failed once..he will not take that chance again ...Not even Mundit..lest they share with Naina. Hence the dead plant- Pure speculation.

In extension to the above and the questions that you have raised my response-

Teenage is the age where taking risks.(.for things which are not age appropriate/socially unacceptable )is easy because one can be lead into it -as we have seen Sam easily justifying under the pretext of being afraid to be labeled as "fattu". Now one can argue that Sam could have very well differentiated right from wrong. Here is where he lacks the internal drive or self reflection. He is dependent on a external source like Naina, Mundit, (Nanu in the past) to give him that feedback(cigarette se kark rog hota hai) or directly make that call for him ( vada karo gharwalo se jhagda nahin karoge). The positive behavior from Naina during the bet phase led him reflection on his behavior resulting in a change..that we all fell in love with ...his character growth was appreciated. Unfortunately with the support system cut off..lack of positivity, Sam is unable to sustain the same behavior pattern..He takes the path of least resistance.

Parental guidance/supervision is of utmost importance. The narrative at this point suggests limited intervention by his mother..as I stated above, Vishakha is busy putting off the fire ..she is not worried as to the cause of the fire.

Rohan- He is aware of what his brother is doing, yet not informing parents... Is he supporting Sameer or just does not care?

Eve-teasing: Serious offense. Again Sam is shown sitting on the back seat of the motorcycle. Its implied he is directly not doing it himself but not stopping the guys from doing it also. Made one attempt to apologize before and did marpit...not enough..again lack of self regulatory behaviour and lack of social responsibility.

Please note that I am not trying to justify Sameer's behavior..it is just an approach to understand the underlying mechanism that is causing the fluctuations in the character.

Why does he repeat the same behavior again and again?

Even though he is intermittently in touch with Naina via letters, telephone calls he is still making blunders. I think at this point he is indulging in sense gratification- pure age related-

magazines, alcohol, smoking...these are stress busters!

The downfall may be a precursor to the epic rise of 'THE SAMEER MAHEHSHWARI'.

Genuine question to the makers- Why is Sameer not going to school?

P.S. - It is only coincidental that I had the opportunity to listen to a live talk on addiction yesterday. I cannot emphasize how vulnerable the youth/ teenagers are!!! Although the talk presented the statistics for the USA, the situations at large remain the same everywhere. The makers of YUDBH should be applauded for taking the risk of making their popular hero and the love story go through this route...because if not anything at least some discussion about addiction/eve teasing is going on!

This makes sense definitely.Thanks for giving a different insight. I made that comment in my reply that if someone can provide me with a strong reason as to why they are showing such things! :)

Originally posted by: Veda1125

Hi Aaisha,

You have raised some valid questions/concerns! I am copy- pasting a part of response that I had posted on one of Samaina_90's post. This was in response to last week's episodes when Sameer's returns to Delhi from Ahmedabad and Naina and he decide to plant the rose plant. The then precap showed that he befriends the mawali gang. I will add my comments at the end. Apologies if the post becomes long and tedious. Here it goes-

Vishakha- is well meaning but is not able to see through the pain..If ur child runs away to another city why not investigate as to what his problem may be ? Why extinguish the fire only..why not find what caused the fire in the first place. She showered him with the much needed affection when he came back but did she try to find why did he run away in the first place? Somani is a disciplinarian who blindly trusts his mother. He has preconceived notions about Sam and his upbringing . Always puts him down. Dadi- Nothing to say. Sameer is surrounded in an unwanted/ unwelcome situation...maybe stressful for him... I agree. Sameer is in a very hostile environment. He is at a place where he is continuously being treated as a stranger. Vishakha is no doubt at fault here. I won't defend her but she has always been the same. She was never a mother to sameer. Cvs could have easily chosen to show us a changed Vishakha. Nevertheless her actions are not justified. She should have taken care of sameer.

Sameer way of releasing stress-

1. Hang out with new friends . They have appreciated him...his bike stunts..everyone else in Delhi is putting him down.

2. Smoking - Not new him. From occasional .. smoking may intensify . Now smoking is injurious to health and illegal to smoke If you are underage. It's not something , I endorse. However, in my opinion smoking /drinking is not a parameter of someone's character. Our brothers/friends/ husbands/ boy friends / ladies / girl friends etc. have done it, are doing it. Being in healthcare profession have worked with a variety of folks with issues with alcoholism /smoking /drugs etc. The issue of mental health / depression is often understated/ undiagnosed. The stress is everywhere. Each individual's response to a given situation is different.

Yes, Naina's love has helped Sameer a lot. Naina is that light that will guide his way...no doubt. The path..Sameer has to

cross on his own.

I highly doubt he will tease the girls..

look s like he may not share his problems/ loneliness with anyone . .even with Naina..just to keep her free from worries - she has already failed once..he will not take that chance again ...Not even Mundit..lest they share with Naina. Hence the dead plant- Pure speculation.

I agree to this as well. Smoking and drinking do not define a person's character. Many of my friends smoke and drink and i have never judged their character on that. I am saying again I would have accepted if he resorted to smoking and drinking. Even watching magazines with pictures of girls is not something very uncommon. The biggest thing that hurt me was sameer's silent acceptance of eve teasing. Yes, he stopped his friends twice but then he got back to those friends again and in yesterday's epi he didnt even stop them. I have loved Sameer but I can not accept a person supporting eve teasing. I have countered hell lot of eve teasing incidents which shook me to the core. And seeing your favourite character supporting eve teasing was what triggered me to write this post.

In extension to the above and the questions that you have raised my response-

Teenage is the age where taking risks.(.for things which are not age appropriate/socially unacceptable )is easy because one can be lead into it -as we have seen Sam easily justifying under the pretext of being afraid to be labeled as "fattu". Now one can argue that Sam could have very well differentiated right from wrong. Here is where he lacks the internal drive or self reflection. He is dependent on a external source like Naina, Mundit, (Nanu in the past) to give him that feedback(cigarette se kark rog hota hai) or directly make that call for him ( vada karo gharwalo se jhagda nahin karoge). The positive behavior from Naina during the bet phase led him reflection on his behavior resulting in a change..that we all fell in love with ...his character growth was appreciated. Unfortunately with the support system cut off..lack of positivity, Sam is unable to sustain the same behavior pattern..He takes the path of least resistance.

Parental guidance/supervision is of utmost importance. The narrative at this point suggests limited intervention by his mother..as I stated above, Vishakha is busy putting off the fire ..she is not worried as to the cause of the fire.

Rohan- He is aware of what his brother is doing, yet not informing parents... Is he supporting Sameer or just does not care?

Eve-teasing: Serious offense. Again Sam is shown sitting on the back seat of the motorcycle. Its implied he is directly not doing it himself but not stopping the guys from doing it also. Made one attempt to apologize before and did marpit...not enough..again lack of self regulatory behaviour and lack of social responsibility.

Please note that I am not trying to justify Sameer's behavior..it is just an approach to understand the underlying mechanism that is causing the fluctuations in the character.

Why does he repeat the same behavior again and again?

Even though he is intermittently in touch with Naina via letters, telephone calls he is still making blunders. I think at this point he is indulging in sense gratification- pure age related-

magazines, alcohol, smoking...these are stress busters!

The downfall may be a precursor to the epic rise of 'THE SAMEER MAHEHSHWARI'.

Genuine question to the makers- Why is Sameer not going to school?

P.S. - It is only coincidental that I had the opportunity to listen to a live talk on addiction yesterday. I cannot emphasize how vulnerable the youth/ teenagers are!!! Although the talk presented the statistics for the USA, the situations at large remain the same everywhere. The makers of YUDBH should be applauded for taking the risk of making their popular hero and the love story go through this route...because if not anything at least some discussion about addiction/eve teasing is going on!

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Originally posted by: jasw

Good post. I understand that CVs want to show post Nanu's death and away from his close friends M&P and love NAina, Sameer is having a tough time. Hostile environment and evil Dadi is not helping the cause. So the free spirited Sameer gets suffocated and constrained in the strict, disciplined environment of Somani's and wants to break free. Now the points which are not acceptable is

- Sameer never disrespected women be it in Nainital or in Ahmedabad. And now that he is in love with Naina, how can he be a part of a gang who do eve-teasing regularly?

- Sameer reacted very strongly to Naina's photostudio photo to the extent he came back to Delhi without visiting Nanu's place or meeting M&P. How can the same guy keep such filthy magazines at home?

- Sameer not making any effort to be in contact with his best friends M&P either thru phone or letters?

CVs could have shown him going downhill by showing that he is not doing well in studies, indulging in smoking/drinking with friends instead of infringing on this aspect of morality.

Couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by: Veda1125

P.S. - It is only coincidental that I had the opportunity to listen to a live talk on addiction yesterday. I cannot emphasize how vulnerable the youth/ teenagers are!!! Although the talk presented the statistics for the USA, the situations at large remain the same everywhere. The makers of YUDBH should be applauded for taking the risk of making their popular hero and the love story go through this route...because if not anything at least some discussion about addiction/eve teasing is going on![/DIV]

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As much as eve teasing, peer pressure/ragging/drug addiction r also pretty much real thing and pressing issues that teenagers r getting into.. Suicides among teens and kids r on increase for lack of proper guidance.. which is very worrisome

It makes me pretty anxious to even think how am I gonna handle the kids when thy grow teens..