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Posted: 8 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: priyadarshini.r


Hi Uma,

Hope you are doing good. 😊. Sorry to budge in Uma... I know these discussions are getting nowhere and nothing would change in the forum. But still, can you please go through all the posts that were made in the first couple of pages of this thread and the comments that were posted in the other UMT thread yesterday? You would better understand, who started this all, which is irrelevant to the topic that was made, how people started throwing in ugly statements about people coming in to support Raman. There were lot of sarcasm, taunt involved, when none of us, even supported Raman at that point of time, when Krishy's post was made.

It is very clear that Krishy was just replying to what Sneha has mentioned about being "biased" as we were scrutinizing Ishita's mistake and letting go Raman's mistake with excuses? I really don't know if you have read our review thread. I don't think we take sides always and let go of Raman's mistakes and magnify Ishita's mistakes. Hence, I don't find anything irrelevant in what Krishy wrote because it was a direct reply to what Sneha has mentioned about biasedness. I hope you got the context now. We have clarified that with Sneha as well.

Regarding others, yes there were people who made great mockery out of our posts, when we tried to defend Raman's POV through his expressions and body languages, post leap. Many instances can be cited, but precisely during Ishita's trauma when Ruhi rejected her. There were comments after comments in some threads, which went on mock us to a greater extent about reading expressions from Raman's eyes, lips and what not? Well, if you do not agree, as they claim, ignore and stay way. Why read and go to another thread and pass nasty comments about reading from lips, face, eyes and all? 😕I know you were also around the forum at that time. Had you questioned about this at that time and said these are not healthy, I would have appreciated you.

Then, my personal experience :- When I said that both Ishita and Raman are at fault for what happened before 7 years and they are responsible for the state of the children and both should own up to letting know the truth, the same people taunted me by passing a comment that I had to be in Ishita's position, precisely a Bhaanj or people surrounding me should have gone through it to understand the pain of Ishita. I even explicitly mentioned about it multiple times in the threads, saying I was hurt with these comments. I would have appreciated, if you have made a remark that these comments were unhealthy at that point of time and stood up for us. Because I feel that no woman deserve such a wish from another unrelated woman, who is just a fellow member, to be a bhaanj in real life, for the sake of a fictional character. That was quite ugly and in very bad taste.

And there were a few members, whom I did not even know at that point of time and even till now, I have not interacted much with them, but they came forward and PMed me that they went through the same bullying even pre-leap during the surrogacy and child swap track from the same people. So if people can want others to be bhaanj and go through pain of Ishita, mock about our comments, we have waited long enough to put across our POV.

Krishy was referring to those members precisely as "others". I'm sure they themselves would understand.😊 .
I would really appreciate, if people like you , understand both the sides and then comment on whether it was healthy are not. I guess, there is nothing wrong in expressing our disappointment and hurt of this constant cornering. We are not here to take these name calling, curses & insults from unrelated people. We are also not blind DT worshipers or KP worshipers to take sides for the respective characters always. We have gone past that age and matured, educated and in a well to do position, that we don't have to earn a living by singing praise of DT and KP. 😊 .After all they are just actors and it is their profession to act. We are just fans of their stupendous acting. The point ends there. No Didi, JiJu, Bhaiya, Bhabhi stuffs and nonsense with us. Hmmm.

Of all, Krishy is not the one to come forward and put across such a strong point. She did so because, we have heard a lot of unhealthy stuffs all these months, before voicing out. Nothing against Sneha though.

Anyways, sorry for budging in. I'm sorry if I have offended through any of my statements. I hope you understand my point. I just explained the hurt that I and others, went through from some people, who happen to constantly taunt, pass unhealthy remarks & even wish bad for others, if people don't support Ishita, no matter what.😊. Thanks for taking time out to read Uma.


Hi Priya,

I'm doing good and hope you are also fine. It's been long time that we really had good conversation and I'm happy to see your reply here.


As the show stands, I'm at a point where I cannot relate to Raman and even enjoy Ishra nokjhok or anything for that matter that happens between them. There could be several reasons but for me it has been majorly with Raman's abusive behavior starting post leap . I am still not able to get out of those words that he has uttered as there were no closure around it. This is my view about the show based on the impact that I have . I can understand that others might defer to it and have completely different perspective to it. I completely respect that view as much as I respect my view. Never I have mocked their views nor made fun out of it.

I just want to say that I'm not a regular visitor of this forum as I got detached with the show long back . However I do make a point to atleast read few users view. Not that I always see eye to eye with everyone in various post but I love the analysis and the way their pov is put forward. But off late I don't want to name the thread but even when I try to visit occasionally to read certain users view and to comment on the same, I mostly come across comments like welcoming Raman bashers to provide the opinion. More so when it comes from the TM of the post, who would be even interested to post opinion that points out Raman's mistake. You can very well say that you guys have always put forward your opinions and never had issues. It could go well with regular visitors of that particular thread and more so having good wrap over which was developed for long time spending in forum. But for people like me , it would mean different to read such welcoming message for viewers who wants to voice out the opinion on Raman. But did I care to make a statement about it at that time just that it did not work well with me. NO, just ignored the thread itself as I felt it is not worth my time .

But now I came forward, as it was segment related and the word 'others' and 'joy' made me to comment on it. I felt if this is the case even in segment page for people who have different view and being in minority group, then they will slowly move away from voicing out their honest opinion.That's the reason i felt it is unhealthy to tag everyone for such comments. I am sorry if that had offended you or Krishy but my intention was not so.I have been one among the readers who have always loved to read Krishy's post starting from the golden days of Gan's thread and that's one of the reason for even letting know of my view with the above post. If the same has been from someone else, I would have ignored it which I usually do


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Posted: 8 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: DivianTanz_Divz


I guess .. you are the one who drops in those places always where DT and Ishita bashing happens. Cos, I toh don't always even come to this forum. So, look at yourself before telling to others😉.. You should be happy that I don't show up or get time to come this circus forum always. Cos, even I can say many things regd your Raman .. cos his deeds are too much horrible to even being thought of to justify.
Nope.. baby, Ishita and Raman don't have the same class... Raman is way lower in class than almost everyone others in this show. Ishita does classless acts few times, Raman does almost all the times and gets other people for suffering.
Fair enough .. it's Ishita who should die.. most IshRa ..oops Ra fans will be happy. Even I too will be happy that I won't have to see abusive third class Raman even mistakenly for even couple of seconds.
@bold.. do you really follow this when a segment is against Ishita and the episode is yet to air😆? If not.. then it proves your biased sensibility, if yes.. then am sorry for pointing this out.



Ulta chor kotwar ko dante. Haila? Itana bada ilzaam? 😲 Except for the two times, I have never bashed DT. You can check my post lately. Coming to Ishita. I have not bashed her at all! Pata nahi, ap kaha se dekhli ti hon? When others cannot see. I have not bashed Ishita at all and DT execpt for the two times. And that too I have left it now. Waise bhi dude, I hardly comment on the forum. So, don't comment on me. But you, you have a world record in bashing KP and Raman. Dekho na jaise hi Raman k against kuch aya or apne apna pyaara sa chehra dikhaya dia. 😉 Jab Raman sweet type hota hai jab ap gayab hoti hai. Jab wo kuch galat karta hai. Ap ajati hai. 😉 Ab is mein bashing master kon? Ap. 😳 Acept the fact baby! 😛 Haina. Tabhi toh nobody is saying you to come over here. And waste your precious time. I know your time is very precious. Don't waste it in bashing a useless character like Raman. Trust me, when you are away from this forum the forum is at its best! So, pls do this honour forever. Be away forever. I hope you have better things to do in life rather than bashing Raman whenever getting a chance. 😛 Don't try to hide your kands under mine cos i don't have that much of records as compared to you. 😛 And coming to your last queation lol. I hardly comment on the segments threads.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: dreamzsrk


Hi Priya,

I'm doing good and hope you are also fine. It's been long time that we really had good conversation and I'm happy to see your reply here.


As the show stands, I'm at a point where I cannot relate to Raman and even enjoy Ishra nokjhok or anything for that matter that happens between them. There could be several reasons but for me it has been majorly with Raman's abusive behavior starting post leap . I am still not able to get out of those words that he has uttered as there were no closure around it. This is my view about the show based on the impact that I have . I can understand that others might defer to it and have completely different perspective to it. I completely respect that view as much as I respect my view. Never I have mocked their views nor made fun out of it.

I just want to say that I'm not a regular visitor of this forum as I got detached with the show long back . However I do make a point to atleast read few users view. Not that I always see eye to eye with everyone in various post but I love the analysis and the way their pov is put forward. But off late I don't want to name the thread but even when I try to visit occasionally to read certain users view and to comment on the same, I mostly come across comments like welcoming Raman bashers to provide the opinion. More so when it comes from the TM of the post, who would be even interested to post opinion that points out Raman's mistake. You can very well say that you guys have always put forward your opinions and never had issues. It could go well with regular visitors of that particular thread and more so having good wrap over which was developed for long time spending in forum. But for people like me , it would mean different to read such welcoming message for viewers who wants to voice out the opinion on Raman. But did I care to make a statement about it at that time just that it did not work well with me. NO, just ignored the thread itself as I felt it is not worth my time .

But now I came forward, as it was segment related and the word 'others' and 'joy' made me to comment on it. I felt if this is the case even in segment page for people who have different view and being in minority group, then they will slowly move away from voicing out their honest opinion.That's the reason i felt it is unhealthy to tag everyone for such comments. I am sorry if that had offended you or Krishy but my intention was not so.I have been one among the readers who have always loved to read Krishy's post starting from the golden days of Gan's thread and that's one of the reason for even letting know of my view with the above post. If the same has been from someone else, I would have ignored it which I usually do



@Bold Totally I agree with this Uma even I HVE noticed posts welcoming Raman bashers by the TM of threads
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Sneha- yes I agree mockingof views on any character is uncalled for. But I was not around preleap n initial part of post leap. So I don't know what remarks u made then reg mani n who mocked u now for that. Another thing as we haven't interacted personally I don't know which comments hurt u. I cannot jump to conclusions n tell someone mocked u n u r hurt. I can know u r hurt only when u tell explicitly. I do interact personally with others in that thread n we share with each other everything. So if u can voice out what comment hurt u, then n there in the thread, we would make sure that it doesn't happen from then on. Having said that, about the characters, we still r entitled to our opinions n we need not necessarily agree to each other. But we can definitely avoid calling each other biased, basher, hater n not mock views when we disagree. Let us try to clarify our differences in the same thread between the people who are involved.
Yes, I agree that all characters are butchered to royally glorify shagun. But certain personalities come out only when they are put to test n manis was one. So there was a view that it was totally not butchering, but also his personality that came out. Just like Raman is impulsive n has anger issues apart from butcheing, just like ishita interferes in everything n decides to solve herself apart from butchering, mani's personality also came out, apart from butchering. That's the whole point. Hope you understand.

Yes, I agree if people decide to attribute to cvs for Raman, they have to do for all characters , otherwise blame characters ONLY. Hope I answered all your concerns. Thanks.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: priyadarshini.r

@Sneha- yes I agree mockingof views on any character is uncalled for. But I was not around preleap n initial part of post leap. So I don't know what remarks u made then reg mani n who mocked u now for that. Another thing as we haven't interacted personally I don't know which comments hurt u. I cannot jump to conclusions n tell someone mocked u n u r hurt. I can know u r hurt only when u tell explicitly. I do interact personally with others in that thread n we share with each other everything. So if u can voice out what comment hurt u, then n there in the thread, we would make sure that it doesn't happen from then on. Having said that, about the characters, we still r entitled to our opinions n we need not necessarily agree to each other. But we can definitely avoid calling each other biased, basher, hater n not mock views when we disagree. Let us try to clarify our differences in the same thread between the people who are involved.

Yes, I agree that all characters are butchered to royally glorify shagun. But certain personalities come out only when they are put to test n manis was one. So there was a view that it was totally not butchering, but also his personality that came out. Just like Raman is impulsive n has anger issues apart from butcheing, just like ishita interferes in everything n decides to solve herself apart from butchering, mani's personality also came out, apart from butchering. That's the whole point. Hope you understand.

Yes, I agree if people decide to attribute to cvs for Raman, they have to do for all characters , otherwise blame characters ONLY. Hope I answered all your concerns. Thanks.


Ya u HVE answered all my concerns thanks will definitely take ur feedback & opinion positively

Now time for some break so that my fingers get some rest cu soon.. Thanks for ur concern abt my health too..

Bye
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: snehaseshan

But Wat amazes me is ppl in d forum still keep justifying his actions & tells that they r being unbiased & we r not seeing ishita's mistakes & we r being biased.. I'm not telling ishita has not done any mistakes yes she has done mistakes but raman's mistakes r bigger than hers which ppl don't accept & still justifies his actions.. repercussions of raman's mistakes r way bigger than the repercussions of ishita's mistake which ppl fail to see,ppl crucifies every action of ishita & find d minutest mistakes of her but they don't do the same for raman's actions they somehow find excuses like his pain in d past etc etc to justify his wrong actions in d present..


U R wrong , between the 2 ,ishita did d greatest mistake. She gave Raman a impression that she vl take in any shit that he throws at her and even forgive him for d same. The worst of it all is d fact dat she felt guilty about slapping him ,when he felicitated her with "worser than NEK AURAR, worse mom title" . Way to go . And it was d same ishita who lectured about ashok ad Parma's creepy ways. way to ishita. Nayi soch. The best jewel to her selfless crown, was her accepting surrogacy,supporting shagun and loving him like nothing ever happened. So ishita was d wrongest of all
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Posted: 8 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: -K.13-



Well Uma - I saw a comment here about bias and another comment about laughing at people trying to understand Raman's POV on various issues.

It VERY much applies here because time and one again people throw around this bias and unbiased tag to belittle people & here even before words are said to mock and denegrate - words are thrown out attacking people expressing their views

so why is MY statement unhealthy when members of group has mocked, ridiculed, and even told someone they hope they experience infertility? Even in THIS thread someone implied watching and mocking the excuses/views people come up with. Why am I not allowed to voice my concern for THAT unhealthy talk? I stay away from the threads that illicit such reactions in me, but these segment update threads are open for all & I reacted

I have been indirectly mocked and hurt too on this forum time and time and my morality brought into question. This thread had comments that touched on this and after months I finally reacted & honestly I don't applologize.

If some find joy in just constantly scrutinizing and demonizing Raman - fine but why are my posts & posts of my peers labeled as biased for not following that perspective?

Khair I am apparently the loser here who tried to voice my concerns but I'm not sorry.


Krishy,

@Blue, I don't know who they are but that is a new height for stooping so low in the forum. I don't give a hoot to people who write like that. They nor worth to be even discussed .


As I just replied to Priya, I have also tried to stay away from post where name calling stems up frequently but as you said since this was a segment page and more so it was from you for whose view I had lots of respect and still have, decided to reply to let u know of how I felt reading it. The intention was not to be offensive or to hurt anyone. If it did, my apologies but I stand for what I felt at that point of time.



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Originally posted by: -AngryBird-



Ulta chor kotwar ko dante. Haila? Itana bada ilzaam? 😲 Except for the two times, I have never bashed DT. You can check my post lately. Coming to Ishita. I have not bashed her at all! Pata nahi, ap kaha se dekhli ti hon? When others cannot see. I have not bashed Ishita at all and DT execpt for the two times. And that too I have left it now. Waise bhi dude, I hardly comment on the forum. So, don't comment on me. But you, you have a world record in bashing KP and Raman. Dekho na jaise hi Raman k against kuch aya or apne apna pyaara sa chehra dikhaya dia. 😉 Jab Raman sweet type hota hai jab ap gayab hoti hai. Jab wo kuch galat karta hai. Ap ajati hai. 😉 Ab is mein bashing master kon? Ap. 😳 Acept the fact baby! 😛 Haina. Tabhi toh nobody is saying you to come over here. And waste your precious time. I know your time is very precious. Don't waste it in bashing a useless character like Raman. Trust me, when you are away from this forum the forum is at its best! So, pls do this honour forever. Be away forever. I hope you have better things to do in life rather than bashing Raman whenever getting a chance. 😛 Don't try to hide your kands under mine cos i don't have that much of records as compared to you. 😛 And coming to your last queation lol. I hardly comment on the segments threads.


Oh! really.. I have world record in bashing your fav? Good to know that. Cost, I haven't said anything.. bashing toh dur ki baat regd your fav.. for last one year at least (if I remember correctly). About Raman.. if you can pretend to be an IshRa or DivAn fan and find faults only in Ish or Div, why not I can say anything regd Raman when I am not his fan or not even IshRa fan right now? Only you are free to say your opinion.. not me , right?
@bold.. o really!! I thought the different way. I have works to do really.. and that's why some people are always free to do any bashing to anyone be is fictional character or real people cos hardly there are anyone to reply you back in this sick forum. And, how much better is this forum without me or with me in it.. I have eyes, I can see that and I don't see any difference with my presence or absence. This is the same negative, circus forum as usual for last couple of months or year.
Anyway, dear @Krishy and @Priya... want to see your view regd the bolded line from someone from your peer group, if I am not wrong. This is direct personal attack and insult, isn't it? Want to see opinions from you two of the few sanest and most sensible (most time) people on this forum. This is nothing new from this member.. she has said the same thing to me before too. And, this is a note to the mods also. I hope they show some neutrality and prove it by action this time.
The fact is such members who can't tolerate others' opinion and wishes they are away from the forum, actually are the ones who should not be in any public forum with such mentality.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mdwst


Tfs sneha
@ Raji @ Maya
I agree with you guys
It's better to rescue her now.. before it gets way out of hand/ control
Yes she's gonna throw tantrums...she will eventually come around. If he doesn't the step now.. he's gonna blame himself for her state.


Ditto. They should have told the truth long back . In the first place, I don't understand why even Ishita's identity was hidden from Pihu in the first place. It's not necessary that they need to tell about her suicide but they could have made her aware of who is her actual mother . That is a big let down and still baffled to see no proper explanations given by anyone and what made them to do so . It just kills the very essence of why Raman wanted to have this kid in the first place.


Now that they have committed the blunder, they should have at-least made an attempt to say the truth when they saw Pihu spelling venom at Ishita during ShagMani marriage. Again it was stopped citing a poor reason of time factor.

At least at that time, I can agree to it to some extent, as role reversal happened and it sounded like Raman bringing pihu close to Ishita as a first attempt and then revealing the truth. More so Pihu was with in their hands and they had the luxury to do it in that way. But now, seeing her getting spoiled very badly and not being in their control to do anything about it, thinking to tell the truth is one option they have. But yes, as you all say it can go either way but still better to take chance rather watching it go from bad to worse with no action.


However, If Raman has stated Pihu' s mindset and debated around it, it would have been welcomed but thinking purely about the hate-redness that he will face is just... 😊



















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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Uma - Thanks for replying.Even I have not spent long time in the forum. I became active only after a month or so post leap. So even I do not know the history of the forum. Yes, just like other groups over here share a camaraderie, we do share camaraderie and I don't think that would play a part in our reviews. Because my view is my view and I feel I don't need to compromise that for the sake of camaraderie we share. At the same time, I respect other views as well and would agree to them, if I find a valid POV from the other side as well. I have been that way ever since I started writing in that thread and people were welcoming to it, even when we were strangers. So I don't agree to the part that it is because we share a bond, people accept to my views. For that matter, people choose to share their views in a specific thread mainly because they tend to have like minded opinions most of the time and you find it easy to comment there. People cannot deny that.😊
There might be a few instances of inappropriate comments in our review threads, which I agree would have looked harsh. That should have been avoided. But I'm not sure, if you can generalize the whole thread with just a couple of comments, made on an odd day.If that is the case, there are also other daily threads, which mock people's comments, many a days. Even day before yesterday, I was told by one of my friends that there was utmost mockery made by one of the member in another daily discussion thread, about she gathering opinions from our review thread and she was LOLing over it. Is that right? Is that an acceptable thing? The same member started it all yesterday in another UMT thread and she wanted her friends to have a laugh over the comments of how people come & defend Raman and play his advocate. Was it in a good taste and healthy? I wonder why no one even bothered to tell that was quite unhealthy. It looks like only we are always on the wrong side always. Anyways, thanks Uma. I'm sorry to have budged in to the conversation between you and Krishy. Thanks.

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