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Seven years ago Raman said some terrible, terrible things. And these words effectively ended up, or so he thought, killing the love of his life. He imploded. He blew up that day. A man who spent months and months trying to make his wife feel secure about the fact she can't conceive then throws it in her face. Uses it as a loaded gun in his sheer grief and pain of losing his daughter. In ensuing chaos, the Ruhi that effectively lead to his own resurrection leads to him digging his very own grave. He ensures he is the one to send his wife away, rather than her walking out on him. A thought that always terrified Raman.

I love Raman as a character most of the time. And I love Ishita and Raman. I'm an ishra fan. I'm also in real life very observant, and in all honestly, the way they are, and Raman specifically, people do act like that. In arguments we say the most horrible things when grief and pain consume us, because we want to hurt the other just as much as we are hurting. And that is why, despite the fact that Raman said terrible things seven years ago, and then spent seven years regretting it every second of every minute of every day, he repeats those words.


Because we hurt those we love the most. Because Raman wants the hell he has been living in to open up and consume Ishita too. He's hell bent on after all these years, at least sharing their suffering together. After being apart for years and years, at least they can suffer together.

What Raman says, his accusations. They are difficult to hear. And heartbreaking to think what Raman has come to. But the truth is, Raman and Ishita are toxic. They are. Raman's madness is stemming from the agony that Ishita never came back to him. But wasn't he the one to make sure of that? That he sent her away. Because that is what he effectively did when he said those words seven years ago. Was he testing her?

The sheer cruelty of what he says just doesn't seem like Raman to most people. But most people are forgetting we are dealing with a loss of a child. And yes that's no excuse dictates logic. But logic doesn't work when your child is ripped away from you. And I've struggled a lot with what he said to her then, and more what he says to her now. And the more I thought about it, the more I thought Raman just relived that day.


Today, with Ishita standing in front of him, he relived that day. De ja vu. Well then, most people would be asking at this point, shouldn't he have handled things differently now? Logic dictates that.

But logic cannot dictate the sheer agony that has always seemed to get the better of Raman. In matters of the heart Raman consistently behaves illogically and out of some overwhelming emotion. Today, those emotions were those felt seven years ago, refreshed, the smell of that day like a house burning down right in front of Raman and he got consumed by the flames.

And today, Ishita was going to burn with him. It's callous, cruel. It's Raman scorned.

The love of his life left him. And once again he questioned everything Ishita was, is and always will be. A mother. Because if he is now going to burn in hell after seven years of being drenched in pain and guilt, Ishita had some catching up to do. Once again, Raman lashes out at the one person he loves the most, and therefore knows how to hurt the most.

It's dark. And sadistic. It's cruel. And yes, this Raman seems to a Raman that we didn't see at the beginning. But that Raman didn't know the sheer agony of true love. That Raman wasn't a man who had been consumed by Ishita. So this dark Raman we are seeing, is a man who feels like he wants to hurt the woman he loves madly, because he is the one who can hurt her the most. Because he loves her the most.what he first did as self preservation, he repeats to introduce Ishita to his own hell.


Unity in pain at least he thinks.

Events change people. Life changes. People evolve. Sometimes for the better, sometimes worse. Raman too had evolved. Changed. He's darker right now, because Ishita and Ruhi were his light. I'm not talking beauty and the beast. He isn't a beast. She isn't a beauty. This isn't a fairytale. They lost a child. And people are ripped apart in crisis. I'm not of the idea that Ishita transformed Raman. I think she nurtured him to reveal his true self. The resurrection of Raman Bhalla was nurtured. And he has to be nurtured again.

Ps this in now advocates that I approve of what Raman and Ishita do. But people spend their lives making mistakes, some make grave mistakes. And these are heavily flawed, scarred characters. Yes Ishita is an Indian serial bahu, and Raman the male lead but they are still more realistic than most other characters. Like most on the forum, I too share a love hate relationship with the couple, but I will choose to stay positive
Feel free to disagree, or call me crazy, or both. Healthy debate is fun 😊

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I love the fact that you analyze without trashing either character or downplaying their anguish.

This mornings episode was uncomfortable to watch.

I love Ishra, but if Ishra were a real life couple, I would in all honesty not be advocating their reunion. But my love for Ishra defies logic and I have been feeling uneasy at the fact that I still feel for Raman despite the sheer cruelty that he is displaying towards biwi. I find myself wondering if I am making excuses for Raman simply because of my love for him. Should I be joining in the chorus of condemnation? Am I betraying my feminist beliefs by the fact that i " gasp horror" understand, albeit to a degree, where Raman is coming from? And at the same time want Ishita to scream and rant at her husband to make him realise just what Impact his words had and continue to have, on her.

Such existentional questions for a BT serial, yet so many have been reducing this debate down to a Raman vs Ishita battle. Your write up therefore comes as a breath of fresh air.

Thank you.



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Posted: 9 years ago
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How many times he needs to be nutured?Situations occur many times and ishita have to bear his burnt.If you remember ! at the slightest hint of trouble he would tell her to get out.
In my experience i have never came across the person who is at CEO position hurling abusive words at their wifes.An educated urban sophisticated person calling his wife manhoos,banj etc brings down his personality, how is he different from rouges?pushing your wife towards hell.You are analyzing bcoz ishita is safe and alive,what if she really lost her life?It's another case that I completely hate ishita for committing suicide, a doctor by profession knows the value of life more than anyone.
This show is absolutely regressive and endorsing all the bad things one should avoid in society. Evil never gets punished it's always good that has to suffer.
Rather than analyzing and giving impression that leads are good we should just agree to the fact we watch this drama for other purpose chemistry of leads for some, chemistry between mother n daughter for some.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I liked what you wrote. Luckily everything doesn't apply to real life and even more luckily fictional shows remain fictional ... Otherwise life would be more cruel . Let's watch the serial for the sake of entertainment , and to feel good about things we could relate and things we say " thank God it's a drama " . Compare to other rubbish shown as ML and FL , yes I agree , Ishita and Raman are better . They were more real in 2014 then now .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Veeann

I love the fact that you analyze without trashing either character or downplaying their anguish.

This mornings episode was uncomfortable to watch.

I love Ishra, but if Ishra were a real life couple, I would in all honesty not be advocating their reunion. But my love for Ishra defies logic and I have been feeling uneasy at the fact that I still feel for Raman despite the sheer cruelty that he is displaying towards biwi. I find myself wondering if I am making excuses for Raman simply because of my love for him. Should I be joining in the chorus of condemnation? Am I betraying my feminist beliefs by the fact that i " gasp horror" understand, albeit to a degree, where Raman is coming from? And at the same time want Ishita to scream and rant at her husband to make him realise just what Impact his words had and continue to have, on her.

Such existentional questions for a BT serial, yet so many have been reducing this debate down to a Raman vs Ishita battle. Your write up therefore comes as a breath of fresh air.

Thank you.




Honestly I feel biased too, and so defence does here and there seep into my write up. But I do think Ishita will finally breakdown and give Raman a piece of her mind this time. I think, maybe that's why Raman keeps saying these things. They will hopefully show Ishita finally, finally fight her side of the argument. I hope so. She'll be instigated to breaking point and seriously hope she goes on a full blown rant
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Great post as always! 😃

It's just hard to be an IshRa fan bc everywhere you go you question your own morality for cheering for them. I want them to be together. I want them to share their grief bc no matter who is to blame...both have suffered in the last year so both deserve to have their voice heard. And I want them to grow together.

Yet all these seem unobtainable.

What gets me though - is the degree of cruelty on the show isn't needed. The blame of Ruhi's death was enough to keep Ishita at bay & to watch her burn so why the recurrent focus on infertility and motherhood? There isn't a message being shared so what ends are met? Khair these are silly questions in light of YHM's morality.

Like discussions about surrogacy, motherhood, infertility - they are tiring and often lead to blaming & I see both sides of the coin even if I don't agree with either side. So what are you supposed to feel if at all anything?

I applaud you for being positive! I tried and failed bc honestly YHM is tiring - it tries to be unique yet fit the molds of prime time soaps...it's like a bad relationship I can't fully escape 😆
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Originally posted by: Veeann

I love the fact that you analyze without trashing either character or downplaying their anguish.

This mornings episode was uncomfortable to watch.

I love Ishra, but if Ishra were a real life couple, I would in all honesty not be advocating their reunion. But my love for Ishra defies logic and I have been feeling uneasy at the fact that I still feel for Raman despite the sheer cruelty that he is displaying towards biwi. I find myself wondering if I am making excuses for Raman simply because of my love for him. Should I be joining in the chorus of condemnation? Am I betraying my feminist beliefs by the fact that i " gasp horror" understand, albeit to a degree, where Raman is coming from? And at the same time want Ishita to scream and rant at her husband to make him realise just what Impact his words had and continue to have, on her.

Such existentional questions for a BT serial, yet so many have been reducing this debate down to a Raman vs Ishita battle. Your write up therefore comes as a breath of fresh air.

Thank you.






Isn't @bold what's tiring though? The fact that this show makes you defy your own logic?

I still feel for Raman as I do for Ishita & maybe even a bit more. I hurt with Raman bc he isn't just an oppressor. I also carry the weight of stupidly ended tracks where I got no emotional closure and all of it is just meh now.

Yes YHM doesn't have typical leads but the reality is it does follow the basic pattern where you question what the ML has done to have such a loving and giving wife and more so if he even deserves her? So the reality is YHM is different only bc of its leads and their abilities to emote subtly for us to latch onto for hope.

Huggies to those experiencing emotional drain...well it could just be me bc I think I've just hit an ugly wall 😆
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Originally posted by: Zoyamalik2005

Seven years ago Raman said some terrible, terrible things. And these words effectively ended up, or so he thought, killing the love of his life. He imploded. He blew up that day. A man who spent months and months trying to make his wife feel secure about the fact she can't conceive then throws it in her face. Uses it as a loaded gun in his sheer grief and pain of losing his daughter. In ensuing chaos, the Ruhi that effectively lead to his own resurrection leads to him digging his very own grave. He ensures he is the one to send his wife away, rather than her walking out on him. A thought that always terrified Raman.

I love Raman as a character most of the time. And I love Ishita and Raman. I'm an ishra fan. I'm also in real life very observant, and in all honestly, the way they are, and Raman specifically, people do act like that. In arguments we say the most horrible things when grief and pain consume us, because we want to hurt the other just as much as we are hurting. And that is why, despite the fact that Raman said terrible things seven years ago, and then spent seven years regretting it every second of every minute of every day, he repeats those words.


Because we hurt those we love the most. Because Raman wants the hell he has been living in to open up and consume Ishita too. He's hell bent on after all these years, at least sharing their suffering together. After being apart for years and years, at least they can suffer together.

What Raman says, his accusations. They are difficult to hear. And heartbreaking to think what Raman has come to. But the truth is, Raman and Ishita are toxic. They are. Raman's madness is stemming from the agony that Ishita never came back to him. But wasn't he the one to make sure of that? That he sent her away. Because that is what he effectively did when he said those words seven years ago. Was he testing her?

The sheer cruelty of what he says just doesn't seem like Raman to most people. But most people are forgetting we are dealing with a loss of a child. And yes that's no excuse dictates logic. But logic doesn't work when your child is ripped away from you. And I've struggled a lot with what he said to her then, and more what he says to her now. And the more I thought about it, the more I thought Raman just relived that day.


Today, with Ishita standing in front of him, he relived that day. De ja vu. Well then, most people would be asking at this point, shouldn't he have handled things differently now? Logic dictates that.

But logic cannot dictate the sheer agony that has always seemed to get the better of Raman. In matters of the heart Raman consistently behaves illogically and out of some overwhelming emotion. Today, those emotions were those felt seven years ago, refreshed, the smell of that day like a house burning down right in front of Raman and he got consumed by the flames.

And today, Ishita was going to burn with him. It's callous, cruel. It's Raman scorned.

The love of his life left him. And once again he questioned everything Ishita was, is and always will be. A mother. Because if he is now going to burn in hell after seven years of being drenched in pain and guilt, Ishita had some catching up to do. Once again, Raman lashes out at the one person he loves the most, and therefore knows how to hurt the most.

It's dark. And sadistic. It's cruel. And yes, this Raman seems to a Raman that we didn't see at the beginning. But that Raman didn't know the sheer agony of true love. That Raman wasn't a man who had been consumed by Ishita. So this dark Raman we are seeing, is a man who feels like he wants to hurt the woman he loves madly, because he is the one who can hurt her the most. Because he loves her the most.what he first did as self preservation, he repeats to introduce Ishita to his own hell.


Unity in pain at least he thinks.

Events change people. Life changes. People evolve. Sometimes for the better, sometimes worse. Raman too had evolved. Changed. He's darker right now, because Ishita and Ruhi were his light. I'm not talking beauty and the beast. He isn't a beast. She isn't a beauty. This isn't a fairytale. They lost a child. And people are ripped apart in crisis. I'm not of the idea that Ishita transformed Raman. I think she nurtured him to reveal his true self. The resurrection of Raman Bhalla was nurtured. And he has to be nurtured again.

Ps this in now advocates that I approve of what Raman and Ishita do. But people spend their lives making mistakes, some make grave mistakes. And these are heavily flawed, scarred characters. Yes Ishita is an Indian serial bahu, and Raman the male lead but they are still more realistic than most other characters. Like most on the forum, I too share a love hate relationship with the couple, but I will choose to stay positive
Feel free to disagree, or call me crazy, or both. Healthy debate is fun 😊

well written.. but tell me why does Mr RKB need to b nurtured time and again..y does Ishita have to play that role of nurturing him always.A child was ripped away from Ishita too that day..what about her agony...she didnt lash out coz she didnt have the right to?Only Raman's feelings ,his emotions,,his inner turmoil ,his angst matters,..well that makes him very selfish in my opinion..and the last question why must I as a viewer always go in for an indepth analysis of why is he behaving the way he is..y must I make excuses for his behaviour..iam tired of hearing that Raman loves Ishita the most that's y he is hurting her in the most vile manner. .so from now i will b taking RKB at face value..I will go the "SEEING AND HEARING IS BELIEVING" way..so no more ambiguity from my side in understanding THE GREAT MR RKB...i always wanted to be a Fencesitter where Ishra is concerned coz i loved them both .but yesterday's episode has forced me to make my choices..and one more thing what about RKB's culpability in what happened that night..he so smoothly put the entire blame on Ishita..well that makes him a Coward and a Weak man..No offence meant..just my POV as i have no hopes left for Ishra as a couple..they are completely ruined
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The way the CVs are presenting this...it is looking as if Ishita has to take in all nonsense, understand everybody's pain. But noone including her own mother, is ready to understand her pain. Basically CVs have reduced Ishita to doormat. 😡
Amma

When Raman spit venom before leap, did Amma protest? No. Did Amma say..Raman don't you dare to put the entire blame on my daughter alone. She too is going through loss. She too lost her daughter. No Amma did not say it.
Did Amma say...how dare u call my daughter baanjh? She has her biological daughter thanks to you. No Amma did not.
Did Amma say... Raman you never used to look at your Ruhi. You used to hate her. It was my daughter who changed it all. how dare you call her unfit mother? No Amma did not say that.

Amma was mute spectator. When Ishita ran from there, obviously she was not going for some ice cream feast. Did Amma try to stop her? No. Did Amma try to comfort her? No.

Ishita was literally abandoned. Had Amma confronted Raman that day, then today, Amma's actions would have been justified. If Ishita had left despite Amma standing up for her, then Amma's actions today would have been justified.

So I have no sympathy for Amma.

Raman
Did Raman even think that Ishita too lost a dear one? Did he for a minute think before he spit venom? No. he threw her out. He wanted to bury her alive. He told her Ruhi nahin to rishta nahin...And no, Bhallas did not do Ishu's barsi either...

so how is Raman justified for his actions? Only part where he was correct was when he said why you did not inform us? But the moment he touched upon motherhood...he once again was wrong.


MY POV...no one has to agree...


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rose35

The way the CVs are presenting this...it is looking as if Ishita has to take in all nonsense, understand everybody's pain. But noone including her own mother, is ready to understand her pain. Basically CVs have reduced Ishita to doormat. 😡

Amma

When Raman spit venom before leap, did Amma protest? No. Did Amma say..Raman don't you dare to put the entire blame on my daughter alone. She too is going through loss. She too lost her daughter. No Amma did not say it.
Did Amma say...how dare u call my daughter baanjh? She has her biological daughter thanks to you. No Amma did not.
Did Amma say... Raman you never used to look at your Ruhi. You used to hate her. It was my daughter who changed it all. how dare you call her unfit mother? No Amma did not say that.

Amma was mute spectator. When Ishita ran from there, obviously she was not going for some ice cream feast. Did Amma try to stop her? No. Did Amma try to comfort her? No.

Ishita was literally abandoned. Had Amma confronted Raman that day, then today, Amma's actions would have been justified. If Ishita had left despite Amma standing up for her, then Amma's actions today would have been justified.

So I have no sympathy for Amma.

Raman
Did Raman even think that Ishita too lost a dear one? Did he for a minute think before he spit venom? No. he threw her out. He wanted to bury her alive. He told her Ruhi nahin to rishta nahin...And no, Bhallas did not do Ishu's barsi either...

so how is Raman justified for his actions? Only part where he was correct was when he said why you did not inform us? But the moment he touched upon motherhood...he once again was wrong.


MY POV...no one has to agree...



Well I agree with your POV

All facts put up by you in regards to Amma is so true & correct. Why didnt Amma run behind Ishita & support her daughter instead of supporting her SIL. The entire Bhalla clan was with him. Didnt she once think that her daughter too needed her for she too had lost her ROOH?!!! Some questions you will never get an answer for?!!!!

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