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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: sumita_ghosh

well written.. but tell me why does Mr RKB needs to b nurtured time and again..y does Ishita have to play that role always.A child was ripped away from Ishita too that day..what about her agony...she didnt lash out coz she didnt have the right to?Only Raman's feelings ,his emotions,,his inner turmoil matter,.his angst,..well that makes him very selfish in my opinion..and the last question why must i as a viewer always go in for an indepth analysis of why is behaving the way he is..y must i make excuses for his behaviour..iam tired of telling myself that Raman loves Ishita the most that y he is hurting her in the most vile manner..so from now i will b taking RKB at face value..I will go the SEEING IS BELIEVING way..i always wanted to be a Fencesitter where Ishra is concerned coz i love both .but yesterday's episode has forced me to make my choices..and one more thing what about RKB's culpability about what happened that night..he so smoothly put the entire blame on Ishita..well that makes him a coward and a weak man..No offence meant..just my POV as i have no hopes left for Ishra as a couple..they are completely ruined

They both lost Ruhi..h he had Adi and Pihu on whom he dotes...He has his family though how he treats them is his choice...she lost more...The ones she loved...her identity as Ishimaa...Labels he fixed to her Manoos...Bhaaj... Step mom...somebody that deserved to die either she takes hers or he would with his hands...You can't say that Ishitha loved Ruhi less and the infant she hardly so more...yet thats what he hurled at her...she has lived in guilt too for 7 years and also with the feeling she doesn't deserve happiness or love...She is reluctant to return as all the pain will get rekindled...Now she sees her children...she hears the insults replayed with renewed vigor...Toshi gushing when she sees her makes her wonder if her being alive really brings happiness to anybody...Ishitha has erred no doubt but i feel she is more sinned more deserving of sympathy and care of the two.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Lovely take and a very brave post...👏
Its difficult to see beyond things that make you uncomfortable normally...but...I am glad you have a very balanced view , always..
Plus my small take..it's not deja vu..raman asked everything that needed to be asked..stuff I would have loved loved yup hear from him in a mature albeit high on emotions conversation. .mind you . L such a conversation can never be a quiet, weepy, why did u do this to me in hushed whispers ..it is going to be ugly..we all expected it to be ugly. .it will be very ugly in real life too...esp with the ones you love most..I am married and see enough happily married couples around me..and trust me something like losing a child can drive the sanest of couples apart that too in tune ugliest of manners..
People who feel raman, in fact even Ishita could have talked in na nice manner..after all the events which unfolded in the last few days and the build up of 7 yrs...no it thn never would. . Only in fairytales it might..

Its not deja vu..because raman is not intentionally reliving the night..he asked her everything right about leaving her kids , leaving him writhing in guilt for 7 yrs ( he said he died in guilt of killing her every moment of 7 yrs), not informing anyone, living happily with another man - her fb best friend ( it's unfair to crucify him on this too, because noone has cleared her stance on this yet, ishita chooses to keep mum and Mani's actions are b very spuoselike and confusing)..and then starts the insinuations again..
You killed ruhi, you are dead for me.. you didn't come back for the kids.. you decided to instead bring up someone else's as your oenand your kids grew up without you. .though you were happy elsewhere. . You are the worst mother, you are not even worthy of b r ing called a step mom... you should have died. .stay away from my family. .. you are dead for me...,
If one could listen carefully beying of the tone and brute anger ...there was a clear reason for the outburst after the first few questions. .
He was clearly happy to see her bac but her status dB quo with a new family r ankles his insecurities like nothing ever before and so he doesn't relive they night acc to me..like you said in your previous post, he finds the weakest chunk in her armour to hurt her as she is him..to push her away before she does that to him...
Ishita not responding, reacting..not asking him questions or answering him back. .or stopping him from thinking too much about mani her and aliya compounds the magnitude of his words...that's all you are left with as a viewer..and that passes me off no end...🤢


Adding an excerpt from a different thread...purely for your takr😊

So the 2 people who apparently love ishita the most..not including ruhi here yet, site is presumed dead...were the only people to question her decision to stay away and lie about her death..I actually want to applaud cvs for this..they really surprised me..

Monster raman asking questions was WV expected.. and I am glad he did. .though I do not want to comment on the tone and language...but amma asking the same questions was a master stroke. ..
Raman and Amma are the only people who would have been most affected by ishita's death and then even more by her lying about her death...the ones you love the most , you also think the world of them. ..and for both raman and Amma it was not fathomable that ishita would do this. .lie to them for so many years...it is just not the ishita they know...for raman she was his jhansi ki rani.. the woman who could fight for him, with him and fight the world for his kids...she running away and then living a life ..according to him a happy life..with her best friend is as bad as it gets..

For amma..ishu was always her pride.. the girl who fought society, accusations, took on a marriage for the sake of a little girl and fought every circumstance to turn around the family.. she was always a fightet.. so while she committee suicide..that itself would have been tough to digest and accept. . The fact that she chose to stay away all these years and didn't even inform her amma.. would have hurt very y very hard...

Raman again bringing in the ruhis death and step mom talk...he knows what hurts ishita the most..we often give out our biggest weaknesses to tie ones SC we love the most..leaving us exposed when those loved ones turn on us..for raman this is the only weapon he will choose again and again to hurt ishita everytime he feels betrayed. .
Yes. .I heard he confessed he was dying in guilt every minute of the last 7 yrs..but yes cvs as usual did not give enough time for showing this. . And made the male lead say all right things as if he was accusing and abusing the bechaari FL...
if all this had been said to ishita behind closed doors or when ishita and raman were alone the story would have been different. .
But that wouldn't have got cvs their DRAMA😉..now bechaari FL crying and saying I shouldn't have come back and male lead saying you should have died makes for loads of drama😆

Raman trying to run away from having to face ishita..was unexpected ..but thn he has been trying to run away from ishita and her memories for 7 years..that's why he kept saying post leap that they should shift houses.. that was because it had ishita's memories but he wouldn't accept it..now he wants to run from ishita herself..for the fear fb of facing her or for the fear of breaking down..
I think it's the latter. .he has his defence up because he thinks she was living a happy life with shani..but when he knows the truth. .he would still want to run away because of guilt and his apparent breakdown..


Thanks again for making this post...i am glad this time around there are places where one can still discuss with freedom without having to toe the line or being shouted down😛
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Great post as always
Loved it
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice post.
But, sorry to say, I haven't seen such love where a husband likes to hurt his wife just cos he loves her the most😲😆. And, I am not that much of less age... I am above 20!! I never could connect to such type of love of Raman and not even to Raman.. Cos, my life experience dint show me such rough, rubbish, brutal minded person like him.
And, sorry again, but will any woman be justifying the pains given by her husband almost everyday just in the name of love? Aren't we, by justifying Raman's actions and words, giving CVs more chances to go way beyond brutality from Raman (if they read such posts)? Aren't we, by letting CVs show such harshness, allowing other husband (who watch and take things from serials) ill treat their wives in real life like this brutally like raman? Dear, some things shouldn't be justified even in the name of love.. The way Ishita's suicide was a bad example for viewers whatever the situation led to her, same way Raman's harshness and brutality and unequal treatment to his wife is even a worse example to viewers. And, worse examples should not be justified in any way..
P.S: IshRa are dead for me after last episode. I'll watch DivAn chemistry, but not IshRa love.. Cos, his love is way much toxic and disastrous to take someone's life.. I will not be able to tolerate this love, leave it to feel like real😆.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Zoya... once again a good post liked your positivity... finally feeling bit better after reading your post because yesterday's Raman's words again hurted me being a ishra fan... i know some of his questions are valid but questioning her motherhood again and again... reminding her that she can not be a mother... its really cruel in my eyes (Because I have seen how a woman feel when she can't conciev one of my relative) and its really hurts... so I am all ok with Raman lashing out on ishita as its his nature and also ishita allow them to assume she was dead... yes she could have come back for there kids but alas we know CV 's wanted some lame reason for leap and separation so they show all this... but out of all ppl Raman shouldn't be the one who question her motherhood or call her baanjh...

I am an ishra fan love both Raman and ishita equally but if either of them are wrong i will definitely point out at it... and here both are wrong but some Dilouges of Raman's are extreme... which really hurts me... because i love his character and don't want it to get butcherd more...

Thank You for positive post...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rose35

The way the CVs are presenting this...it is looking as if Ishita has to take in all nonsense, understand everybody's pain. But noone including her own mother, is ready to understand her pain. Basically CVs have reduced Ishita to doormat. 😡

Amma

When Raman spit venom before leap, did Amma protest? No. Did Amma say..Raman don't you dare to put the entire blame on my daughter alone. She too is going through loss. She too lost her daughter. No Amma did not say it.
Did Amma say...how dare u call my daughter baanjh? She has her biological daughter thanks to you. No Amma did not.
Did Amma say... Raman you never used to look at your Ruhi. You used to hate her. It was my daughter who changed it all. how dare you call her unfit mother? No Amma did not say that.

Amma was mute spectator. When Ishita ran from there, obviously she was not going for some ice cream feast. Did Amma try to stop her? No. Did Amma try to comfort her? No.

Ishita was literally abandoned. Had Amma confronted Raman that day, then today, Amma's actions would have been justified. If Ishita had left despite Amma standing up for her, then Amma's actions today would have been justified.

So I have no sympathy for Amma.

Raman
Did Raman even think that Ishita too lost a dear one? Did he for a minute think before he spit venom? No. he threw her out. He wanted to bury her alive. He told her Ruhi nahin to rishta nahin...And no, Bhallas did not do Ishu's barsi either...

so how is Raman justified for his actions? Only part where he was correct was when he said why you did not inform us? But the moment he touched upon motherhood...he once again was wrong.


MY POV...no one has to agree...



I completely agree with you. This is exactly what I feel too. No one gave a damn to her when Ruhi died, and Raman even now blames only her for Ruhi's death. Had he not repeated the same things yesterday, it would still have been okay. But knowing that she had tried to kill herself, he said it again and wished her to go and die, or he would kill her himself!? He has always been like this. When she kept sacrificing for his kids he was happy, the moment she did a mistake, mere bacche rant would start. Then he put pressure on ishita for a baby knowing fully well she cant conceive, then he went for surrogacy that too with Shagun without telling her, so where is his love for Ishita in all this? So frankly I think we only root for Ishra on account of their chemistry, nothing else/ As a couple they dont make sense anymore...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I'm shocked that Amma is looked down upon for being hurt and angry

How else would one react? 7 years of mourning her loss, of living in guilt, isn't enough punishment for a mother? If Ishita has suffered away from her kids and family, did Amma not suffer from losing her daughter? How could anyone have predicted that Ishita would've taken a dramatic step?

Literally no one stood up for Ishita. Romi only yelled after being accused yet everyone praised him for siding with the Iyers. The Iyers were praised and seen as the suffering end of the Iyer-Bhalla war, but now Toshiji and co are in the right bc they warmly accepted Ishita.

They all - from Raman to the silent spectators - are culpable for the suicide attempt. But what if in the time after Ishita left, her parents died of a heart attack out of shock/grief of losing a grandchild and daughter? Who would've been responsible there?

It's about perspective. Amma will come around & soon enough from wedding snaps, but she expected more from her daughter, and no matter how you look at it Ishita made an error too.

Raman's error is 1000x worse but that does not absolve Ishita bc in my mind, if another's mistake is used to mask yours...it immediately takes away your strength and ability to live up to your error.

On screen maybe not through a direct admission like Raman's will be...Ishita will through her actions own up to her mistake, so why do we viewers make her a bechari in our discussions? Bc she is not and once she gets her steam back on screen - she will be farthest from it.

I understand how Ishita feels unloved and broken completely as a mother due to Raman's words, but where there no options? Once her attempt failed, was there really no other route for Ishita? What would you expect if this was your relative?

I am 100% guilty am for trying to find an ounce of hope in Raman - I too want him to own up to his mistake bc it will suck for both characters if they come back together without this bc if you want to watch - that is the ultimate reality of the show - IshRa & their kids.

You may find me a basher or hater & I get it. My point wasn't to offend...trust me, but how is Amma's hurt not rational?

I will 100% admit Raman is a wrong and perpetrator of Ishita's no matter his inner voice as 100s of posts have already outlined, but for me that does not absolve Ishita either. And that's why Amma's shock/hurt makes sense.

The ONLY characters honestly that are absolved of any blame are Adi, Ruhi, Pihu, Sharvan, & Aliya. They had nothing to do in this mess of adults.

Life isn't black or white, right or wrong...it's grey and in this scenario Raman is closer to black while Ishita is grey.

Honestly I am sorry if I offended anyone...but Ishita vs. Raman always happens & I want to think of it as Raman's errors and Ishita's errors as individuals bc what does comparing the magnitude of errors do?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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After an exhausting episode, Iam so glad to read your take..
Thank You for writing this.

If before he was living in the guilt of driving his wife to suicide through his words and suffering in pain...then seeing her again,the only person who can turn back everything and make it all right stand infront of him, but not with him and not even looking at him..Imagine what would do that to him.

Even before he grasped that she is alive, he is pushed into the realization that she abandoned him...yet again someone abandoned him..& that somebody is who he felt would never do that to him.

After that any rational conversation would be flushed out of his brain...& like you mentioned he was trying to hurt her at her weakest, I guess.

He even knew why she went away in his heart of hearts..that is why he didn't give her a chance to explain..even if he did she was not ready as it is.. but he killed all the arguments even before she can think about them..

But I draw the line here...I refuse to understand his words that spew after that...I didn't understand them 7 years back..I don't understand them now...Heck, I didn't even get him puting all the blame of Ruhi's death on her.
Dear writers, please don't give Raman the words...let KP do all the talking with his eyes...It would be so much better to us that way.

The person, a mere body who is living the pain embodying the words...yet again failed to stand up for herself on the onslaught of his words..

Some one who never felt Adi & Ruhi are not her children by birth..who could sense their distress even before they voiced it out..who saved them time and again over herself... who was content with them at the face of losing her own child..who never felt the need to give birth to her own flesh and blood as she already has those children.. who was ready to die rather than run away with him so that the kids would have atleast one parent... was yet again made into a banjh and manoohs...

After the miscarriage Ashok taunted Raman with the same words, who then couldn't take it and broke down in the middle of the road..& she reassured him that it doesn't matter even if the whole world thinks that way because I know Iam not..because you don't see me that away..& now that same man succeeded in wiping off her very existence where 100 Ashok Khannas couldn't do it..
The same man who has taken her into the high is pushing her into the abyss..
There lies the impasse...

You have so aptly put..comparing this to beauty & beast is trivializing the emotions & the show..It never was & it never will be...It's always about two people who loved each other and transformed each others lives beyond measure...

Dear cvs, I can take his suffering but not his cruelty ...I can take her grieving but not, her not standing up for herself...
& please don't give him a bottle and send him into the rain after all this as his redemption to solve all their problems ..Where have we seen that before?
& worse please don't make it all into a joke of "Madrasan, 7 saal mein tum moti hogaye ho."

It's so unfair to them, to us & all our emotions...Please let them mend it through open eyes and being fully awake this time around.

Iam quoting Rumi again, which is so apt from Ishita to Raman..
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field... I'll meet you there."

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I'm shocked that Amma is looked down upon for being hurt and angry

How else would one react? 7 years of mourning her loss, of living in guilt, isn't enough punishment for a mother? If Ishita has suffered away from her kids and family, did Amma not suffer from losing her daughter? How could anyone have predicted that Ishita would've taken a dramatic step?

Literally no one stood up for Ishita. Romi only yelled after being accused yet everyone praised him for siding with the Iyers. The Iyers were praised and seen as the suffering end of the Iyer-Bhalla war, but now Toshiji and co are in the right bc they warmly accepted Ishita.

They all - from Raman to the silent spectators - are culpable for the suicide attempt. But what if in the time after Ishita left, her parents died of a heart attack out of shock/grief of losing a grandchild and daughter? Who would've been responsible there?

It's about perspective. Amma will come around & soon enough from wedding snaps, but she expected more from her daughter, and no matter how you look at it Ishita made an error too.

Raman's error is 1000x worse but that does not absolve Ishita bc in my mind, if another's mistake is used to mask yours...it immediately takes away your strength and ability to live up to your error.

On screen maybe not through a direct admission like Raman's will be...Ishita will through her actions own up to her mistake, so why do we viewers make her a bechari in our discussions? Bc she is not and once she gets her steam back on screen - she will be farthest from it.

I understand how Ishita feels unloved and broken completely as a mother due to Raman's words, but where there no options? Once her attempt failed, was there really no other route for Ishita? What would you expect if this was your relative?

I am 100% guilty am for trying to find an ounce of hope in Raman - I too want him to own up to his mistake bc it will suck for both characters if they come back together without this bc if you want to watch - that is the ultimate reality of the show - IshRa & their kids.

You may find me a basher or hater & I get it. My point wasn't to offend...trust me, but how is Amma's hurt not rational?

I will 100% admit Raman is a wrong and perpetrator of Ishita's no matter his inner voice as 100s of posts have already outlined, but for me that does not absolve Ishita either. And that's why Amma's shock/hurt makes sense.

The ONLY characters honestly that are absolved of any blame are Adi, Ruhi, Pihu, Sharvan, & Aliya. They had nothing to do in this mess of adults.

Life isn't black or white, right or wrong...it's grey and in this scenario Raman is closer to black while Ishita is grey.

Honestly I am sorry if I offended anyone...but Ishita vs. Raman always happens & I want to think of it as Raman's errors and Ishita's errors as individuals bc what does comparing the magnitude of errors do?


Word Krishy. This is exactly what I've been trying to put across too. 👏


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Veeann



Word Krishy. This is exactly what I've been trying to put across too.👏




Thanks - I was honestly a little scared to post it but man everyone was quiet preleap & suddenly anyone who openly accepts & doesn't question Ishita is good and rest bad? How does that make sense? Does that mean it just takes being nice & not asking questions to be forgiven?

Idk I feel bad bc would any mother ever see this coming? Even if she attempted suicide, survived alone for a few years, and then reached out to her parents...what could've happened? Bc on the other side - what if one of the parents passed away out of shock/grief among many other possibilities?

Again I probably sound bitter to many, but I don't find either Ishita or Raman or anyone else for that matter as individuals appealing. I just know ultimately we'll get IshRa - so what's the best way a viewer can comes to term with that?

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