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Posted: 10 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: redwine1




Beautiful Beautiful Beautiful ... hell i did repeat myself .. but i am fast running away with adjectives ...
I did cheating .. by doing 2 posts ... but i think u might've edged me out for the award anyways .. 😉



This is purely my reading of the Characters ... ur post made me do some thinking on ASHOk .. i always pegged him as a DUMB BLONDE .. the quintessential north indian munda .. more brawn less brain ... a man full of himself .. a man who thought he is THE BEST ... a man who thinks he is the ULTIMATE MAN ... look at his confidence .. even after very stern rejections from Mihika he feels that he will get Mihika ...

HENCE ... he will always LOOSE TO RAMAN ... because the winner is a combo of an ALPHA & NERDY man .. thats a COMPLETE MAN ...


Ruby

let me start with the shortest thing 😆 - @bold - I absolutely agree as I said Mani can provoke RKB enough to to make him chase the biggest goal of his life now - wooing his wife, sweeping her off her feet - he has romanced her once...but post that he while pushing her a little more, goading her a little bit is still taking baby steps not only because he wants her to be comfortable with him, his proximity but because something stops him too - A MENTAL BLOCK- if I may say so... Mani would be the person who would make RKB push past the barriers overcome the hurdle he has in his own head due to himself and put up a fight for his wife - he would show exactly how much caring, chivalrous he can be ...she called yet another man perfect in front of him, the BEST...for her he would be better than the best and that can only happen with Happy' co-operation too...He has to heal overcome his own insecurity and while Ishita can be the only one to do that... he has to come out of his shell to be READY to be healed... because unless and until a patient goes to a doctor, even a doctor can't heal - to be healed, to be helped you have to reach out too...let your doctor know you are in pain and its only then that you could be diagnosed and cured...he has to OPEN UP.

And so I wrote in my comment it is the coming together of RKB + Happy that can make Raman Ishita' PERFECT man - cos it is their amalgamation that have the qualities that match up to hers.

As for Ashok, I am humbled you felt my post made you think. 😳 I love your analysis and takes so ya that is a compliment for me...now I felt he has superiority complex too frankly but like I said I slept on it and with a new day my mind was like nah...this is insecurity... an individual with a superiority complex does definitely follow the patterns you narrated here but what made me say its insecurity was - why chase a married woman who is a mother as well? Why pick on a nerd? Yes bullies have this tendency to pick on the weaker boys

I read this wonderful take on bullies which I have posted below that made me relate the term with Ashok instantly...and bullies have one thing at the back of their minds - in their own head these individuals are rather disturbed - their surface may project a different demeanor but in actuality these are troubled people and the only thing in my mind that came to me what could make Ashok so slighted, what did Raman have that he didn't for him to want to do this to the guy...why go after a nerd who isn't his equal in anyways as you rightfully said he comes from money, an affluent background - he has it all so what does he LACK that a nerd possesses - and the answer lay in the simple term - contentment... and that was when this idea struck me - Raman equated his contentment, his happiness with his family particularly his wife - whom he loved madly, who seemed too good for a nerd like him... with her he had achieved something beyond his potential already and added to the fact by this time they were parents to a boy he doted on... his life was bliss... and hence Ashok targeted the root of that very happiness, that very bliss and seduced Shagun...now RKB is his competitor in more ways than one... what makes him pick on Happy is not pits him against RKB...he knows RKB is his equal, his adversary and knows to give back as good as he gets in fact better...He picked on Happy but it is RKB who always undermines him even as a man...his mother alluded he is impotent too...NOW this man definitely is hence trying to lock horns with RKB every chance he gets only to prove his superiority over an accomplished and worthy adversary cos now its a matter of ego, a point of pride for him...and this time around he knows the woman in Raman' life is NO Shagun and hence that makes him madder...he knows how to use influence and money..he doesn't know how to win against someone who doesn't have a materialistic bone in their body like Raman was as Happy but as a man so competing with him, destroying him gave him a perverse satisfaction but whereas with Ishita - it becomes a different ball game since she is a woman.. and putting her down is NO matter of pride...cos he cant do that in front of the world... this man believes in SHOW and a man putting down a woman in front of the world is an MCP not an achiever which is why so far he hasn't gone after her on a public platform, same unfortunately doesn't stand for his brother


What makes a bully?
Self-esteem problems
Although it is a popularly held belief that bullies suffer from low self-esteem and are acting out in order to compensate, some research suggests that these individuals actually have high self-esteem. Rather than having a healthy level of positive self-regard, however, bullies have pathologically high self-esteem that is also unstable (Baumeister, 2001). When a bully feels that they have been emotionally or psychologically slighted or insulted in some way, this ego threat provokes extremely negative feelings that they are unable to tolerate. The result is that they lash out defensively in anger in order to preserve the image they have of themselves as in control, powerful and superior to others.

Personality problems
Studies of adult bullying provide converging evidence that bullies tend to have certain personality traits in common, including authoritarianism, a strong need for control and a desire to dominate. Other research has suggested a small but consistent relationship between bullying and narcissistic personality disorder, which is characterized by a perception of oneself as a special, elite person deserving VIP treatment, a lack of empathy toward others and a tendency to be exploitative.

Bullies may possess additional troublesome characteristics found in other personality disorders including superficial charm, insincerity, a propensity to manipulate, rigidity, stubbornness, dictatorialness, and obsessive-compulsive leanings. Finally, extremely dangerous bullies have much in common with psychopaths, in that they feel little to no remorse over their actions. While all of these personality problems may have a genetic component, they frequently have roots in a disturbed childhood in which emotional needs went unfulfilled.

And Wiki had this to say in short for the same

Of bullies and accomplices

Studies have shown that envy and resentment may be motives for bullying.[15] Research on the self-esteem of bullies has produced equivocal results.[16][17] While some bullies arearrogant and narcissistic,[18] bullies can also use bullying as a tool to conceal shame or anxiety or to boost self-esteem: by demeaning others, the abuser feels empowered.[19] Bullies may bully out of jealousy or because they themselves are bullied.[20]



I hope I made sense there LOL... sometimes its so hard to explain the way your mind thinks 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: EkPaheli


Ruby





As for Ashok, I am humbled you felt my post made you think. 😳 I love your analysis and takes so ya that is a compliment for me...now I felt he has superiority complex too frankly but like I said I slept on it and with a new day my mind was like nah...this is insecurity... an individual with a superiority complex does definitely follow the patterns you narrated here but what made me say its insecurity was - why chase a married woman who is a mother as well? Why pick on a nerd? Yes bullies have this tendency to pick on the weaker boys

What makes a bully?
Self-esteem problems
Although it is a popularly held belief that bullies suffer from low self-esteem and are acting out in order to compensate, some research suggests that these individuals actually have high self-esteem. Rather than having a healthy level of positive self-regard, however, bullies have pathologically high self-esteem that is also unstable (Baumeister, 2001). When a bully feels that they have been emotionally or psychologically slighted or insulted in some way, this ego threat provokes extremely negative feelings that they are unable to tolerate. The result is that they lash out defensively in anger in order to preserve the image they have of themselves as in control, powerful and superior to others.

Personality problems
Studies of adult bullying provide converging evidence that bullies tend to have certain personality traits in common, including authoritarianism, a strong need for control and a desire to dominate. Other research has suggested a small but consistent relationship between bullying and narcissistic personality disorder, which is characterized by a perception of oneself as a special, elite person deserving VIP treatment, a lack of empathy toward others and a tendency to be exploitative.

Bullies may possess additional troublesome characteristics found in other personality disorders including superficial charm, insincerity, a propensity to manipulate, rigidity, stubbornness, dictatorialness, and obsessive-compulsive leanings. Finally, extremely dangerous bullies have much in common with psychopaths, in that they feel little to no remorse over their actions. While all of these personality problems may have a genetic component, they frequently have roots in a disturbed childhood in which emotional needs went unfulfilled.

And Wiki had this to say in short for the same

Of bullies and accomplices

Studies have shown that envy and resentment may be motives for bullying.[15] Research on the self-esteem of bullies has produced equivocal results.[16][17] While some bullies arearrogant and narcissistic,[18] bullies can also use bullying as a tool to conceal shame or anxiety or to boost self-esteem: by demeaning others, the abuser feels empowered.[19] Bullies may bully out of jealousy or because they themselves are bullied.[20]



I hope I made sense there LOL... sometimes its so hard to explain the way your mind thinks 😳


Aani 🤗

before i give my 2 cents ..

Just wish to draw this discussion to the thread readers ... recently i read a post where .. one person disagreed with anthers pov ... the person disagreeing actually used abusive language ... & was downright rude to the other person ...
We are all individuals .. with individual thinking minds ... its only natural that we may have divergent POVs ... & one can have a disagreement within a discussion .. by respecting the others pov ..

Thank u for ur post .. yes we see Ashok differently ... ur view is not wrong .. its how u perceive the character .. but there's a healthy respect for the others opinion ... i just hope the people who like to malign .. actually peep in & read this discussion ... Yes i have a different pov .. but so do u .. & we both will try to convince the other to the 'dark side" ...😉

having said that ... one other thing .. THANK U .. i am struggling with a characterisation of a quintessential punjabi male .. ur talk on bullies brought some very good insights for me to work on .. love u for this ... ( i am very bad at research) ...

U know as i sat to read ur reply post ... the character which came to mind was ... Parmeet Sethi ..in DDLJ ... he was a BULLY .. someone who was full of himself .. & thot its his birthright to win ... he dint spend a moment to woo Simran .. but just felt coz they were supposed to be married he was the GUY...

I never looked At ASHOK as a bully .. not the real kinds anyway .. he would love to think of himself as a very macho kinda guy .. but to me he is a guy .. who was probably pampered like shit as her grew up .. ( the punjabi ghar ka funda .. munda is ghar ka chirag .. so he needs to be catered to) ... i always thot he was a spoilt brat .. with a monumental superiority complex (which most north indian males have) ... add to that he is a very lazy person ...

With his superior height & buff body .. did u never wonder .. the no of times Raman has physically threatened him .. if this guy was a bully .. he would have at least made an attempt to bludgeon Raman ... This guy is lazy with an over developed sense of self ... his confidence is always OVER CONFIDENCE on self ...

hence i read him as a person suffering from SUPERIORITY COMPLEX ... but he is chicken as well .. every time Raman has threatened him .. he has backed down ... ( with of course his teeth clenched)

But yaar ... to be frank .. i have never really thot much about this character .. to me he is a DUMB BLONDe ... the quintessential north indian male .. ALL BRAWN NO BRAIN ... someone who works his muscle more than his brain ... ur post actually made me think about him ... don't think i gave it such depth of thot .. but this is my first impression of him ...


INSECURITY ...

When someone finds something lacking in self .. & then over compensates on it .. to even out the lacuna ... ( probably a one line definition)...

Ishita .. her inabiltiy to conceive .. has made her over compensate as a mother .. she needs to mother every one around her ... no wonder she peeps into every ones life .. while she doesnt really PEEP INTO HER OWN LIFE ... she finds herself lacking ... she finds it very difficult to introspect ... hence u see fewer monologues from her ...
She will always look to mother everyone around her ... love more than needed .. simply coz she finds herself as unlovable ... the day RAMAN openly acknowledges his love for her .. she will really start healing as a person ...
Her healing process has just started with the desirability aspect .. but she needs to feel loved as well .. their tele conversation was brilliant .. u got to see each ones state of mind so clearly .. SHE DOESNT THINK .. she can DEMAND LOVE ..
While he thinks she is throwing his love back in his face ... why is she not demanding ...??

RAMAN as a character .. i am not gonna speak off now .. i want to do a in depth analysis on this guy .. his character is incredibly multifaceted ... brilliant layers ... but each layer instead of complex is very simple .. its a good characterisation ... in fact brilliant ... someone who makes himself COMPLEX .. just to HIDE HOW SIMPLE HE IS ...

Thats Raman for me .. 😳

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Posted: 10 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: GirlOfFire

Ruby, thanks for sending that link. As usual, an amzing post. I am still catchimg up since i have been out of touch for over a month, but your post gives me a great idea what to look forward to.

I loved these characters, and definitely look forward to their revelations. The two characters that i would love some insight on- Param and Ashok. Lemme catch up and do send me the links as you write. Will be here more often. 😊


Thnx Maddy ...

This serial is a study in characterisations truly a mecca of learning ... the main leads are brilliant characterisations .. the fact that an quintessential indian soap is catering to NON PERFECT characters is in itself a land mark achievement IMHO ..
But Shagun the vamp .. she simply takes the cake ... she is bad .. just coz she is a narcissist .. her focus on self .. makes her oblivious to everyone around her .. she is someone who can sacrifice a child to achieve her own goals .. ( food for thot right 😉)

So different from the general avaricious vamps who are with their overly done up faces ...
She is far sexier than the heroine .. she is shown superbly classy .. she radiates oomph ... but all to hide the brilliant layer of INSECURITY .. she is always groomed to perfection .. just so as to hide the scar of a very poor upbringing had cast on her ..

Once u read the book .. ur amazed with the depth in characterisation that has been stressed at in the serial ... I normally always laff when people call themselves "different" ( u know my background) .. but this serial is truly different not in story or track ..but in the depth of characterisations ..

Someone really spent time designing the characters .. such depth is only ever seen in books ...

Looking forward to reading ur take here on the characters .. know u are sublime at character sketches

I normally post on saturdays .. so will update the links for u
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Posted: 10 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: siddhantmaurya

I've joined this forum recently but read all of ur posts coz they make me love this serial so much more!!!


Honestly, i've never seen an Indian TV serial, but I've heard about Ekta's shows and have always thot that the content of her shows is always crap!!!! Sorry about this, but from what all stories I've heard this is my thot.
Which has suddenly been changed coz of this show!!! I aint complaining as long as the show keeps up with its simplicity and beauty and i get to read such amazing stuff!!!!

Now, coming to ur post- If i had to describe Shagun in one word then i'd just say shallow. She's selfish to the core, Self centered, egotistical. She's obviously concerned only about herself and want others to think about her only too. I think the reason why she keeps a hold on Raman is just to give her shallow ego a boost. There are such people in real life too. People who hold on their pasts just so that they can feel good about themselves. She's not the normal Indian television vamp and thats what i like about her character.

But the point of insecurity that u have pointed in ur post is very true too. She knows Ashok is a mental sadist who likes to steal things that people love coz he gets a devious pleasure out of it. Ashok is interested in Shagun to only hurt Raman thru her and will keep her only as long as Raman will hold onto Shagun and get affected by her. In one episode she herself said that if raman falls in love with Ishita then what will U do? How will u torture Raman the? Shagun is odf the same kind. She always said to Ishita that Raman only loves her. She also liked making Ishita insecure about her!! Ishita never had that prob but she lived in a bubble where everyone is affected coz of her.

Now that Ashok is seeing that she has lost her hold on him, he's losing his interest in her. Shagun also sees this and thats why she's getting all the more desperate to marry him, as soon as she can, before he shuns her out! Now the facet of Shagun the desperate insecure woman is coming forth!!!

Shagun has always lived her life in a happy bubble which has recently been brutally burst!!! Its bound to make her desperate!! And i'd love to see how she tries to woo Raman back. She'll be unsuccessful we all know that, but i just wanna see what all she tries. Best will be if she tries to seduce him, get physical with him and Raman to then throw her away coz she has always prided herself on her beauty. That jolt will really bring her world apart!!!!



Hiya Siddhant ...

Thank u 🤗

Oh yes Shaggy is wonderfully shallow ... but its not just her shallowness which makes her bad ... but its her insecurity ... this woman is capable of devastation ... just to meet her needs ..

I agree her "bubble" is to burst .. & burst very soon ... i did a study of Shagun purely .. coz this is going to be the biggest impact on the leads .. & just at a time when their love would have taken fledging steps ..

The moment u get the characterisation of the 3 leads ... u get the track very clearly .. SHAGUN will always want to WIN ... she cares 2 hoots who looses because of her win .. whether that is Suraj or Raman or ASHOK or ISHITA or MIHIR 😳 .. she only wants to win for herself ... this will determine the future of this track ..

I can't comment on the last bit about Shaggy's plan to win back Ashok thru Raman .. coz it will give away the track .. so am gonna smile here & say ... its a twist ridden road .. aint as easy as we feel .. all sides will fight to WIN ...

Don't forget ASHOk & SURAJ will also have a few aces up their sleeve .. Raman has clearly moved on from her .. IShita ( no comment on this one --- the twist shud come from here) ... but but but ... lets c how this plays out .. a lot of surprises in store for us as a viewer ... scenes & mini tracks which will be the making of YHM ...




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Posted: 10 years ago
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Amazing post dear again...😊
Thats true it was not only jealous but a man feeling bad as he i reason for the hurt of his wife...and i am sure the upcoming scene as per on location video will also will be the same after yelling at her badly he will see her with mani and will feel bad for yelling at her and saying so bad words to her and will try to make it again...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hey Ruby
I have no qualms in admitting this IF has some nuts and yeah some of them are downright rude I just report those people wasting time over idiots is so tiring 😉😆

Oh and DDLJ yaar kya yaad dilla diya hmmm interesting parallels you drew there somehow maybe both of us are right you know when it comes to him he has a superiority complex it is inherent but there is also something about this guy that he likes to chase women that belong to other men - his new target Mihika has been in a committed relationship like for ages is also recently engaged and he still eyes her...

Sometimes I wonder what was his family and upbringing like you know cos I understand the issues that come with the I AM THE BEST attitude, the superiority complex which makes you think whatever I like and I want I can have but why chase committed women or well women already in relationships with other men>? 😕


Here he has these issues and his bro is an MCP - are they suffering from mommy issues here? 🤔 because they both have similar traits on some counts but when it comes to women they have different methods of behaving with them - Suraj is a downright MCP who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty and Ashok likes to maintain his pristine image even if he is a slimeball

I rem during the licence track when Suraj insulted Ishita in the hotel lobby in front of people I had these doubts too I don't really like the guy playing Suraj not just as a character but as an actor too but for Sangram i would like to see a peek into his life, why he is the way he is - Ashok so far hasn't been sketched much honestly if you ask me... him and Param (your fav) though could really give some amazing depth to the writing of this show if they try to show why these guys are the way they are...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: swathibalan

Ruby- fab post as usual

Will start with Shagun and Ishita - the difference between them can stack libraries.

Yes, insecurity is a thread that's common to them. There's also a Choice that life offered both


One made a choice to put love for material above love itself. She traded a bond of love for material.

For the other Love is not a choice. It is not something to be traded off. She instead made the choice to get into a bond, just for love.


So, another thread that binds them is love.

For one it is about I, me, myself while for the other it is about just - pure giving.

A Narcissist Vs an Altruist, as you wrote. A human being Vs being human.

One is a woman that needs a man to satisfy her desires, while other desires to be the woman her man needs.

One is so blinded in love for material that she can't see the pain/confusion of her loved ones, be it her son, her husband or her brother.

She uses her son to self-assure her importance in the lives of the 2 men, her past which she doesn't want but can't let go because of her self-obsession and her present which she wants - to get an assured "Status" in the society

While Ishita uses love as eye openers. She shows Mihir and Raman the path to healing. She heals a child from neglect and a feeling of being unwanted. She heals every relationship that the former had wounded.

At the end, one was satisfied by getting a 5-carat ring, while the other for solidifying her trust in her husband and gaining the trust of her man in return and becoming his strength.

Both women - one is a noun and the other is a verb. One is all about skin and the other is all about soul.


Also, both lost. Lost the joy of motherhood - One biologically and without a choice while the other lost it because of her choice.

Both were rejected - one for not being able, biologically, to be a mother, and one for just not being a mother

While one was ready to use her son as a pawn to show her upper hand over her ex - to her boyfriend, the other fought like a tigress when her daughter was used as a pawn.

A clear difference when Shagun degrades Ishita in her converstation with Adi while Ishita ensures that Shagun doesn't fall in Ruhi's eyes.

Both mothers - one is a verb and one is a noun


Both had an attack on their self-respect. One fought for it, even left the house, only to return when her man asked her to come back, assuring he trusted her always.

The other gets satisfied by a glittering bracelet, the attack on her self-respect forgotten.

Do we need a clearer difference?


She tries to put down her ex's wife at every occasion, keeps comparing them but falls from grace every time. She knows that her ex has moved on. He is not interested in her anymore, but the narcissist in her cannot accept that.

The palak paneer episode was a revelation to her. Raman is not affected by her in anyway. No love, no hate. Only indifference, which is worse.

She tries to show her value in front of her boyfriend, who under the influence of his brother is not sure of the relationship anymore. Only to fall from grace again. This time in her boyfriend's eyes too as her pretentiousness came to the fore. She says," I have made it with love", only for her boyfriend to sarcastically comment "I know that! You didn't even care I have an allergy to palak"

So she is definitely going to find ways to hit back at Ashok and more importantly at Raman and Ishita, once her marriage plans go kaput. To what extent she will go- will be interesting.

She has used her children and her life as pawns before, that shows how vicious she can be. And a wounded animal is most dangerous.

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Now on Ishita and Raman

For me, theirs is one of the best love stories on screen. A slow yet steady growth. A heady mix of spices.

The current jealousy track is just one more spice in their lives. I too agree that it should be used only to push the relationship to the next phase and not a parallel track, else it will become bitter.

In the truth and dare game Raman says that Tho I didn't hear properly, I am sure Ruhi meant that Muthu means a lot more to her than she thought and she loves Muthu

Of course he meant about Ishita and her feelings for him, but I felt he told the truth, he didn't hear her monologue.

Her reactions regarding sanjana did prove to him that he meant a lot more to her.

He told her how jealousy inflamed her otherwise calm demeanor, he called it a feminine trait.

He touches her, holds her hand - indicates that he desires her, yet wants her to be comfortable with it as for her it's a first in terms of physical intimacy. He goads her to accept it. First in the room and then in the car. He realizes that she is attracted towards him physically also, and tries to tease her by sleeping on her shoulder. Assuring the attraction.

She thinks- Dil itna zor se kyu dhadak raha hai - jaise bahar aa jayega..

She hears her heart beat for him.. so beautifully shown.

But when she still doesn't spell it out, he steps back and says he'll wait for her.

But jealousy knows no gender. In comes Mani, her best friend.

At first he is not troubled that she had a nice time with a friend.

She had returned home the previous evening thoroughly enjoying herself that she didn't even want to fight with him, the small fights that he was enjoying. He didn't take it seriously then.

Trouble starts when he comes to know that the friend is a male - a man with more virtues than vice

So what is it in this man - who makes his wife smile, takes care of small things, probably understands her needs, who doesn't taunt her. She calls him best. Better than him? The question arises.

But she used to love his taunts. She herself told that. She likes the "Ravan" in him more. So why is he being compared?

He had been rejected once in life, for lack of looks, lack of money, lack of ambition. He has all now, but still someone else is making his wife smile.

He sees his wife getting decked up to meet her friend. Of course he is heckled, but cannot show it. Ego?

But he can't rest till he sees his nemesis. He follows her and sees her with a guy, who as per him is less in looks, seems lower in money and in ambition - a chusa.

Feels slightly reassured and heads home. But it still troubles him as he knows Ishita is not someone who runs after materialistic things. They don't matter to her. So what is it that this friend does that he may/does not?

His wife gives him the answer. She tells him to tame down his ego. Adds "Maine aapse choti choti cheezon maang rahi hun, koi badi mohabbat nahin maangi".

But wasn't that what he wanted her to ask him, what he wanted to give her?

But didn't she want that? So where does she want? Care, thoughtfulness. And is she wrong?

He has done a lot for her which she has acknowledged every time

He has changed for the good- for her,because of her - which again she has acknowledged time and again

So where is he going wrong? Where is he losing and why?

These questions are going to trouble him and also show him the way. He is definitely going to set it right, win her over, how is going to be a delightful watch, am sure.

As for Ishita - Mani, I feel, has come at the right time. He has perfect qualities as per her, care-chivalry-thoughtfulness, but she is clear he is not her Raman, but yet she is unable to recognize and confess her true feelings for Raman.

Mani gently but firmly pointed out to her not to compare. That's a true friend. I believe, he will guide her to self-discovery.

Mani is only going to be the catalyst in this beautiful chemical reaction between husband and wife. A catalyst which will trigger and speed up the realization yet will keep the relationship of a true friend with Ishita without change.

A reaction which will heal both of them completely.



Swathi my girl take a bow 👏 what an awesome post by you one of the very BEST I have had the pleasure to come across on IF I swear I have read it thrice already at last count and still can


@bold - oh I love you, I really loved how you have put across this part once he sees the way the real Mani treats her when he sees him and obviously starts hyperventilating which he is doing already he is bound to have these questions in his head and also the answers to them - there is a reason Mani is shown the polar opposite of Raman - one of which is he treats Ishita like a lady, a princess no less and is chivalrous with her...and any woman does expect the man in her life to treat her so 😳
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Feels slightly reassured and heads home. But it still troubles him as he knows Ishita is not someone who runs after materialistic things. They don't matter to her. So what is it that this friend does that he may/does not?

His wife gives him the answer. She tells him to tame down his ego. Adds "Maine aapse choti choti cheezon maang rahi hun, koi badi mohabbat nahin maangi".

But wasn't that what he wanted her to ask him, what he wanted to give her?

But didn't she want that? So where does she want? Care, thoughtfulness. And is she wrong?

He has done a lot for her which she has acknowledged every time

He has changed for the good- for her,because of her - which again she has acknowledged time and again

So where is he going wrong? Where is he losing and why?

These questions are going to trouble him and also show him the way. He is definitely going to set it right, win her over, how is going to be a delightful watch, am sure.

As for Ishita - Mani, I feel, has come at the right time. He has perfect qualities as per her, care-chivalry-thoughtfulness, but she is clear he is not her Raman, but yet she is unable to recognize and confess her true feelings for Raman.

Mani gently but firmly pointed out to her not to compare. That's a true friend. I believe, he will guide her to self-discovery.

Mani is only going to be the catalyst in this beautiful chemical reaction between husband and wife. A catalyst which will trigger and speed up the realization yet will keep the relationship of a true friend with Ishita without change.

A reaction which will heal both of them completely.



Swathi my girl take a bow 👏 what an awesome post by you one of the very BEST I have had the pleasure to come across on IF I swear I have read it thrice already at last count and still can


@bold - oh I love you, I really loved how you have put across this part once he sees the way the real Mani treats her when he sees him and obviously starts hyperventilating which he is doing already he is bound to have these questions in his head and also the answers to them - there is a reason Mani is shown the polar opposite of Raman - one of which is he treats Ishita like a lady, a princess no less and is chivalrous with her...and any woman does expect the man in her life to treat her so 😳


UGH i hate u guys for pulling me in ... what a lovely thot both of u ...
It would be interesting at this juncture to see what was SUBBU's nature really like ..

Coz Mani .. who is sweet, mannered , even tempered .. a complete male Ishita ... & who knew her for so long ... she did not FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM ...

She has fallen in love with a polar opposite guy ... someone rude .. someone who is caustic ...
But someone who has a heart of GOLD ...

Some food for thot for all of us ... does this throw light on .. I prefer raavan kumar to ram kumar ...

Brilliant discussions here today guys ..
The more we discuss these things .. the more clearer the path ahead becomes ...


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Edited Ruby. It's been great reading every post here. What amazing and insightful conversations 🤗
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Originally posted by: redwine1

UGH i hate u guys for pulling me in ... what a lovely thot both of u ...
It would be interesting at this juncture to see what was SUBBU's nature really like ..

Coz Mani .. who is sweet, mannered , even tempered .. a complete male Ishita ... & who knew her for so long ... she did not FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM ...

She has fallen in love with a polar opposite guy ... someone rude .. someone who is caustic ...
But someone who has a heart of GOLD ...

Some food for thot for all of us ... does this throw light on .. I prefer raavan kumar to ram kumar ...

Brilliant discussions here today guys ..
The more we discuss these things .. the more clearer the path ahead becomes ...



Subu ...Ruby kiski yaad dilla di 😭 😆 Oh I so wish they could go there like now but will wait if I am right and the guy is even 50% like his bro Bala it wouldn't be hard to guess why she fell for him and the reason she couldn't fall for Mani was - a) he is the male her like you said and b) she was with Subu at the time - also to quote a line from one of my fav shows which is getting ruined somehow - Ying needs Yang not another ying. Ying Yang is harmony Ying Ying is a name for a panda.😆 and she knows Raavan Kumar for all his rudeness has one thing that the guy she saw Ram in didn't have - the strength to be there for her when she needed him the most ..

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