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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nisha0604

Mera

Fantastic prediction and analysis. You have thought it out quite well and looks like it might pan out this way only. You are right, one feels exceptional loyalty for his friend, and on the other hand, the adversary has no desire to marry his sister

Raman has gone one step ahead in Ishitology and actually asked Mihir to request Ashok Shagun wedding take place. True... a very costly price indeed

I agree Ishita will continue her jasoosi under one divine pretext or the other and attempt to clean up every mess. Their understanding will not increase by 1 %, just a ISHRA scene every week or so, no work rivalry, no dentist office woes, no struggles of raising Ruhi... no urban working mother issue will be addressed

This big can of worms is being opened exactly at the time the show is being moved to the 7:30 slot. Now Ishita, Raman, Shagun, Mihir and Simmi can all hide behind curtains and overhear conversations they should not be and it will go from one OTT melodrama to another

I was hoping this will be a show about how Ishita tries to fit into a Punjabi household, how Raman beats Ashok at his every game... serious work rivalries... how it affects his work-life balance...how they seek each other out in being entangled in a joint family...how she falls in love with Raman, how they may be forced to take care of Adi too some time in the future, how the husband wife relationship is impacted by it all. Later the whole infertility thing... her wanting to get pregnant somehow and how she battles her own demons while trying to accept the life with Ruhi and Aditya

They have the greatest group of people of any daily soap, the Iyers and Bhallas are unique and distinct, so well crafted...

Hmmm...


Nisha

If Madhu Iyer took a look at Mihir's horoscope she may have found that Mihir's sisters are a source of pain in his life...first Shagun and now bhabhi cum didi Ishita who can't seem to stay out of people's lives. She has meddled in Simmi, Romi and now Mihir/Mihika's lives. Even Sarika wasn't spared. Who's left? Neelu? Or maybe she'll start poking around Lambu brothers lives esp. if Ashok gives Shagun the boot. It's good that Rinky left or she would have been next on the list. 🤔
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pomegranate


yeah but I think ishita was under the impression that raman was still not over his past because he has never directly said it, which i think is ridiculous but ishita isn't very smart. today it looked like ishita finally understood it.

I've always said that raman has such strong reactions to shagun due to their history but it was popular forum theory that ishita thinks raman is still not over his past. I thought that was outrageous but ishita really is very dense when it comes to marriage and romance, so i think this must be the case.

There is no continuity in ishita's character and I'm tired of trying to understand her, so i just gave up. now I just ignore her unless she really riles me up. *shrugs*


oh come on zara
what about shagun drunken drama when he said that after 6 years she is out of his life . Din't he said directly that ? in past so many incidences we have written here so many times that he showed by his reactions towards shagun.

and even indirectly his body language his taunts his behavior were always prominent. If she can understand his taunts for other circumstances about her lectures, he understands she was tired , and all, how comes he will not understand it by raman s other actions ?
even if she is dense in case of marriage or romance, that is not allowing her to think he has not moved on.

but agreed, she is most inconsistent character being a lead poorly written

regarding "mere raman" my pov: she expected raman like her , "advise others to sudharofy life of people who have done immense damage to your life even if in future there is no guaranty of they would not harass you" he has passed this status in her sangath so now she will allow him and not call "chheee" 😕 just because he has advised , she gave clean chit to her behavior towards him as colorful past like perv?

that does mean if perv fakely says i will help in marraige of sarika and romi, ishita will give him clean chit from all rapist attempt and all his sins 😲

I really don't understand what is her propaganda of good husband?

I don;t mind forgiving but raman had already let go her , it was raman s advise to mihir that made ishita to see him as her raman
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: msusheela

Finally I got a place where I could vent out my views. Thanks Nisha.. I never expect much logic or rationality in a daily soap, that too from Ekta camp, I still feel there should be a considerable level of it.

.. We are not stuck to the same Kyunki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi -Tulsi or Kahani ghar ghar ki- Parvathi types of female protagonist.. We have crossed that belief of typical idealistic characters long time..

Protagonists should have some flaws. Portraying a character way too much idealistic and being too naive to be believed is becoming indigestible.When the protagonist is a well educated professional, independent, principled, I would expect that she should be smart enough to read the real world around her. Mistakes done a couple of times can be excused, but never learning from it is unpardonable. Whether bringing Param and Shagun home without considering and Consulting other , believing in some stranger's story till creating a scene in Mihir's Tilak function in the name of mending the relationship is not expected from a smart woman like Ishita.

I loved Ishita's character in the beginning and Divyanka adorning it was awesome.. But lately, the character seems to be lost somewhere between being smart and acting stupid... I am slightly disappointed. Being a woman myself, I don't want an educated, professional , urban female to be depicted like this..

Today I expected Ishita to say something like - she was playing all along with Shagun to get the truth out from Mihir and she had doubted Sanjana from the beginning, (just to be save the character to being complete fool).. But NOOO.. Or at least expected her to apologize to Mihir and Raman for all the fiasco in the function however clearly stating that she is still upset with Raman for hiding it from her.. but again NO.. Being idealistic also mean to accept ones mistake and rectifying it.. I m again disappointed..

Another major let down was Raman too. Acting as if nothing happened when he clearly warned her not to interfere in Mihir's personal life and not even apologizing for hiding the truth from her.

But positives that should be appreciated are
1) Raman and Mihir's Bonding: Fabulous acting by KP and Raj
2) Very Understanding approach by Iyers

To Ekta: I remember you saying in one of your interviews, I think Koffee with Karan... that people Idolize men and fantasize women on big screen, but idolize women and fantasize men from small screen. I agree to your point to some extend though.. However, I don't want to idolize a very naive and immature character like Ishita ( as it is turning out to be). 😭



Excellent post!👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Colt.Pixy


oh come on zara
what about shagun drunken drama when he said that after 6 years she is out of his life . Din't he said directly that ? in past so many incidences we have written here so many times that he showed by his reactions towards shagun.

and even indirectly his body language his taunts his behavior were always prominent. If she can understand his taunts for other circumstances about her lectures, he understands she was tired , and all, how comes he will not understand it by raman s other actions ?
even if she is dense in case of marriage or romance, that is not allowing her to think he has not moved on.
When a person isn't ready to face up to their own insecurities or deal with their painful past, then pretending becomes a way to avoid dealing with the issues. Her romance with Subbu was platonic first love and she was very young. Raman has been married before, he has been patient given her reluctance to read his signs. She's recently stopped saying chee which is an improvement. After sharing the same room with him covering her eyes when he's partially clothed is 🤔. Left to Ishita he may have to resign to a platonic marriage😛.

but agreed, she is most inconsistent character being a lead poorly written

regarding "mere raman" my pov: she expected raman like her , "advise others to sudharofy life of people who have done immense damage to your life even if in future there is no guaranty of they would not harass you" he has passed this status in her sangath so now she will allow him and not call "chheee" 😕 just because he has advised , she gave clean chit to her behavior towards him as colorful past like perv?

that does mean if perv fakely says i will help in marraige of sarika and romi, ishita will give him clean chit from all rapist attempt and all his sins 😲

I really don't understand what is her propaganda of good husband?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hello!!! Sorry for butting in middle of this wonderful discussion uninvited, and full disclosure: I haven't read all the 4 pages so I am sure what I am about to say will sound repetitive but nonetheless here I go.
I concur that Indian women on TV are portrayed as demi Gods who can do no wrong and this show is not different, having said that this show is very different in portraying it's female characters namely Ishita Bhalla.

For one, she is shown as a successful career oriented women who is managing her family and her professional life. Very realistic and forward thinking from the days of parvati and Kyunki Saas bhi kahbhi bahu thi (Thank the LORD!). Second, let's not forget that both our leads are shown as broken individual with a bruised heart, it's just that they deal with things differently as every human being does. When Ishita was scarred by Subbu, she didn't turn bitter but made her career is her focus, on the other hand Raman also made career his focus but that was fueled by revenge. He wanted to show Shagun what Raman is capable of, these are two different approaches to heartache. Now who does one to relate to more is entirely personal. For me, after going through my share of heartache I decided to make career my focus not out of spite and revenge but because I wanted to get over the pity me game. And these kinds of experience in our lives shape our personality and how we react to situations. Raman and Ishita are both justified in how they chose to deal with heartache, albeit Raman's struggle consumed him and often got the best of him.

Even though Ishita has done a lot of stupid things that are way beyond her character sketch, I wouldn't agree that Raman is conforming to Ishita's ideology and becoming Mahan. I just finished my psychiatry rotation and had the fortune of sitting through a few marriage counselling sessions, and what I noticed was this, there are 5 stages of Loss and Grief.
1)Denial and Isolation
2) Anger
3) Bargaining
4) Depression
5) Acceptance

These are the 5 cardinal stages of loss and grief, the difference is how long one takes to get through these stages. In case Ishita, she got through these stages quicker, whereas Raman got to the Acceptance stage today but it took him some time. He now ACCEPTS(closure) what happened to him and that his is PAST.
Another point that would make him look 'Mahan' would be when he said, 'Shagun is making our lives miserable because she isn't happy in her life, and everyone deserves to be happy'. But this also proves how different YHM is from the usual crap we see on TV, the lead of the show is accepting that no one is inherently bad as a person, it is their situation that make them react in a certain manner, and this is absolutely true in real life, let's think of all the people we know in our lives, do we know anyone who is inherently bad and evil? I don't, however I do people who have hurt me but that doesn't make them evil, it's the situation and the selfish nature of us human beings. Selfishness does not equal evil, and Raman made that point brilliantly, that Shagun is Selfish but that doesn't make her evil, she wanted the best in life and she went for it, she too deserves to be happy. I think we should applaud Balaji for showing this reality in a daily soap because we usually we are subjected to vamps whose soul is so evil that they would put Darth Vader to shame. Shagun isn't a vamp, she wants her kids, money and a cushy life, she is selfish but she isn't evil and that's that Raman meant when he asked Mihir to forgive her.

Ishita saying, "Mere Raman" I think she finally saw HER man, and only hers! Raman is his, he has moved on from Shagun completely, he has finally reached the 5th stage of coping with his loss and grief. From what I infer, Ishita meant "Mera Raman" as possession! Raman is hers now and Shagun isn't a baggage that their relationship needs to carry anymore.

And lastly, I think Raman and Ishita both need to work on their relationship and offer apologies to one another. Raman's reluctance to share his past, his secrets, his aspirations and his feelings with Ishita leaves her in an insecure place. And this by no means is a justification for Ishita's action, she is equally at fault for being a peddler and jumping to half baked conclusions. I really hope that Ishra have the much needed conversation and work on their marriage, Romance is good and all but their marriage lacks communication and trust, for which they are equally to be blamed.

As you can tell I have a problem with length, I tend to ramble on and on lol. Sorry for the essay.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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yes she din say in remote scene, because in "chhee "she saw him by her own eyes beside her that was reality check. in remote seq, she was jolted by his touch by accident.
for dance in romance it was not her demand till shagun started. it showed her that their marriage is incomplete without intimacy and that was because she was showed failed to their marriage mainly by ex of her husband and perv s taunt. it was perv and shagun who made her to come on ground from she was flying in sky calling she does not want anymore from marriage she has right now. and in this transformation she was injured and that was only healed by him that finally she got . raman got that touching signals by her when she was hurt that finally my woman is ready for my touch 😳

when she saw relations is in complete compared to others she allowed her man to touch him and at that time she got actual moment. guess why she din recall remote moments as kkhh!!

i can say here that raman could not do things that shagun and perv could do. 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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WELCOME

All this newspaper/journal needs is a psychiatric intern👏

A BIG SHOUT OUT TO VYAS👏

ALL THANKS TO HIM This daily is evolving into a really intelligent thought provoking commentary.👏


I actually said a few days back the exact same thing you seem to have observed/mentioned today. AGREE COMPLETELY Shagun is selfish greedy and avacious..she is amoral but she went after whatever SHE WANTED. Yes she is not noble or pious but she is human... on a similar vein FORGIVING her should not be mandatory

Mihir and Raman are human too, some grieve for YEARS some for months. The onus of pardon should be upon the individual himself/herself, NOT mandated by a Bahu...

GREAT ANALYSIS and thank you for sharing valuable insight about clinical processes

Thanks for the refreshing new perspective. I will give credit where its due...yep you are right it is indeed a different show... in the context you talk about👏

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank you for the welcome Nisha! I completely agree, this is indeed a thought provoking and an intelligent thread, I am just so glad I stumbled upon it. And I completely agree with you that the onus of pardon should be upon the individual and not some third party.
I am glad you found my clinical experience valuable, at home I usually get glares when I tend to share work stories lol
Also sorry to disappoint but I am going into Internal medicine so no psychiatry intern for this journal yet lol
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nisha0604

At the risk of Mods disciplining me I will make a plug here... a show a friend PMed me to watch called Zindagi Gulzar Hai, yes the famous Fawad Khan show... NO TOUCHING whatsoever... brilliant, every line reads like poetry... every interaction is sizzling.. its the same cliched story but OUTSTANDING... who said "its impossible to feature the leads majority of the time in an episode"? The leads feature 35 minutes in a 45 minute episode...

The story is taut the narration gripping...

Why cant it be a ISHRA story like that?


Coincidentally, I watched an interview of sonam kapoor and Fawad khan while they were promoting their new film Khoobsurat. Sonam being the straightforward person she is, said indian television has become horrible and regressive. she went further and added that the reason Fawad's other dramas did so well because audiences were starved for content and that Indian television producers should stop thinking we are dumb and give us good content.

that being said, Pakistani dramas are not always better than indian ones. there are still a lot of shows that have the same old hindi serial twists and plottings but not all of them are like that. what india should to is come up with telefilms or mini series that caters to urban india, something that coincides with how india thinks right now.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I completely agree to u Y shud one change in order to fall in love with the other person?

Cant Ishita accept him the way he is? Did she ever tried understanding what her husband is? What he wants out of marriage? He asked her if she is happy? Did she try that with him?

Spoilers ahead.

I saw two beautiful movies today, khoobsurat and Dawat e Ishq. In both movies heroines accept the hero for the way they r n vice versa too. In fact in Dawat e Ishq the heroine is like u r not the kind of Man I wanted somebody who is educated n sophisticated and yet I want to be in love with u.

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