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Posted: 11 years ago
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wonderful post dear! 👏


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Posted: 11 years ago
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I couldn't agree with you more. Whatever is happening now is a turning point in Ishita and Raman's relationship. It wouldn't have bothered him so much before. The guy's character is superbly written and I am eagerly waiting to see what he will do next. Because this is just the beginning. He is yet to face his biggest test when Shagun re enters his life which is of course bound to happen.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post Uz.
Raman is grey and we like him for what he is - Couldn't agree more.
Though I hate to hate Raman, but cant deny that he was a big disappointment last night.
He gave in to Adi's request or say his love for Adi and did let go off Shagun, am completely okay with it. After all can understand, as these all may have an effect on a child which no child deserves it even if that is Adi, the spoilt brat.
His guilt was visible from the time he realised what was he doing and how it gonna bring a storm in his married life and he deserves an applaud for this unlike doing anything without knowing its pros/cons which the old Raman used to do.
And let me admit it, I so wished for something like this kind of m/u or seperation of IshRa to happen. Before confession or realisation of their feelings, m/u between couple is like viewers winning a lottery.
But what I felt as a big let down is he gave in to Shagun's crocodile tears (this was not and will be never in my wish list). And this has built Shagun's over-confidence regarding her misconception about Raman and his relationship with Ishu.
Writers could've avoided this part and should've come up with something else to create m/u between IshRa rather than using Raman's old habit of doing damage that leads to people like Shagun to take advantage of it and Ishu to get hurt in the process for no reason.
During Raman-Shagun scene, couldn't see the (reformed) Raman who used to judge people like Shagun and avoid any wrong to happen or come his way. IMO.
Anyways, damage is done. What I want is Raman to keep his promise and as far as I know, HE WILL, as he does what he preaches !!!
Afterall Raman is potrayed as for real, so even I'll let go off my anger of last night, fasten my seat belt and enjoy this track which I too wished for. What to do, Raman se zyaada der tak naraaz nahin rah sakti but I wont mind if Ishu doesn't think the same way (Please Ishu, have so much hope in you).
Raman, get ready to suffer for your darling Ishu, even viewers are ready 🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You know Uz I am bored of this track but honestly I am loving how it is bringing out the different shades of each and every character to the fore as well as changing the dynamics of so many relationships.
Shagun is finally being a smarter villain, Raman is being shown as a very REAL guy, one who isnt ideal nor is he without his own demons or without his own turmoils.


Saying Raman should have done this or that is easy, but is it possible to be in his shoes and not tremble even for a moment, falter when there are two roads ahead of him - the right one and one that's the more viable option.

He should pick the right road - such an easy thing to say, but to do that he would have to give up temptation - the temptation of finally having some access to his son, if not his love then his respect, his acknowledgement.

As a parent, he was disheartened to see his child cry, as a man who considers the woman who almost died as his own mother, he wanted justice for her... but would that justice not cost him? It would, it would make his son hate him even more than he already does, the hope that he has however minuscule would be dimmed even further.

In all of this Raman is actually being placed between a rock and a hard place

Raman' love for his son versus his love for his family, his loyalty is tearing him apart, not to mention the huge onus of Ishita' unwavering trust is on him now. As a man who places trust high on a pedestal of sorts, since he doesn't place it easy on people now; to be on the side of the things he so detests... its not easy... somehow his plight reminds me of this quote, cos one or the other time, we all have to face a similar situation

"I used to advertise my loyalty and I don't believe there is a single person I loved that I didn't eventually betray."
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: komsy7856

Beautiful post uz.. 👏 I agree with ur points... I'm fed up with the bashing going on much needed post.. U hv beautifully mentioned everything nothing more to add 😃 👏. .I hope kal kuch positive dikhaye taaki my poor Bacha Raman Will not b bashed.. SHARAM (Raman -shagun) are only connected bcoz of their children n nothing ekse,ppl here r saying tht Raman is still in love with shagun 😲 it shocks me..



Hey Komsy

I actually believe his actions re Shagun are a combination of his past feelings being reconciled now to the fact that she is the mother of his child. Saying that he loves Shagun is one hell of a knee jerk reaction because people are not able to see him for who he is.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Res

Didn't know you have made a post.

Will read it later and reply 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Romanticfreak



to be frank uz...they claimed YHM to be a mature story a professionally settled lady going through a rough patch of life with infertility entered a mans life for a small girl ..so she knows how tough her life will be in order to set in the family picture ...its all about maturity of minds , dignity of self respect, integrity of ones character and over all its all about understanding a mans plight and his helplessness state deeply and helping him to come out of it ... in this process the forced couple will fall for each other and they realize their feelings and handling with the new delicacies and hesitations is another challenge to reveal themselves such a wonderful story and why why ppl r taking it so childishly like a teen age love story where tu tu main main things happen todays episode was so earthly real and i just fell for todays episode ...



Precisely shakti, this is a mature love story. It's their "2nd innings" it's going to be more beautiful than the first but completely different too.
To date that's what's been achieved and I hope it continues that way too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bscorp13


Great post Uz! And these 2 para's forcing me to rant again😆.

Raman is the most believable character in YHM because he is real - and real means he has his flaws - and huge flaws at that. Yes - you are so right when you say ' he knowingly falls and falters'.

But - what has also been astonishingly consistent in his characterization is that he has some things which he does not compromise on - his principles and his obsession with the truth.He has proved time and again that he could go to any extent for this sake. This also means that he has a huge conscience (something Shagun lacks - she is a diametric opposite here) - which keeps nagging him and making him repent for wrong decisions (taken knowingly or unknowingly).
Here is where I do not agree with people who believe Raman is bi polar - Yes his reactions may be extreme - but his inner persona is pretty straightforward.

His biggest weakness and his biggest strength are the same - his obsessive love for people close to him - his children and his family (people he considers family includes Mihir).In today's episode, Raman included Ishita in this close group of people - and how!!
He knew he has compromised on his values for the sake of one person he loved the most - Adi - and that made him guilty as hell. But the moment he reached home (in that taxi), his entire focus of guilt shifted to another person he cares for a lot - Ishita - What a way to present his conscious feelings - CVs did a great job here👏.
From here on it was Ishita- her reaction, her family - and how he would face them - that bothered him the most.

If we think back to the Adi - Ishita confrontation in the restaurant - Raman's guilt there was majorly because he felt he let Ruhi down for the sake of Adi - it was a choice between both his kids. Ishita was not a part of his inner circle yet. But today - what progression!

I think the reason YHM has not focussed too much on Ishita's inner turmoil yet, is because this is still Raman's redemption and breaking those high defensive walls he created after Shagun hurt him. He needs to heal first before he can be a support to her - (that's totally my opinion though😊).But I do hope we see more of her layers too - there would be ample scope in the realization track for that.

For now - for people like me who love flawed and complex characters - it is going to be an interesting ride to see RKB battle his own conscience, his guilt, his attachment to his son - all weighed against his growing fondness and respect for Ishita.

Too much rambling again😆 - But thanks for a lovely post again!


Sorry i've been meaning to respond here, everyone has written so thoughtfully on the subject!

@ bold- i ended up bolding the entire paragraph, because i agree with everything that you have said! I love the fact that he has certain principals which underpin all his actions. He does not sway in those principals, and when he is torn he always finds his way back- and thats because of strong moral compass.

Spot on about his biggest weakness being his biggest strength. I guess the key is to ensure that you allow the light in even in your darkest moments.

I think I'm quite greedy and perhaps its because of usual television habits that i expect them to also hone in on the finer details in respect of Ishita and her many layers. As much as Raman needs to heal, I feel Ishita also needs to open herself up to the possibility of sharing something more than just being co-parents. I know there has been a lot of progress made on that front though i would love to gradually see more. Though i guess they are limited as to what they can realistically show in a 20 daily show.

Thanks for commenting, really enjoy reading your comments!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sai14

Lovely post Uz and once that was very needed.

The hero' here is an every day kinda guy, who hurts, who gets angry, who messes up.


SO true. Raman is always targetted for things regardless of what he does. Raman's actions are not influenced by Shagun; they are influenced by Adi. You can never ever stop loving your own child regardless of how loveless the child is towards you. He is blinded by his love for Adi and will do anything for Adi and that is what he is doing here. Everyone has someone in their life that is not perfect and has flaws and yet you still love them. why? it is because you are not able to focus on their flaws because your love for them is greater than that.

It would be a totally different story if Raman was doing this with malice which he clearly is not. Throughout the episode you could see the turmoil that Raman was facing so I am not sure why people are finding fault with what Raman did. I do believe that this track is being introduced at a wrong time. this track should be coming after Ishita and Raman have actually admitted to each other that they are in love but then that is not Raman's fault lol. but since CV's decided to introduce the track now we just have to get used to it which means understand Raman's actions.

Raman is not perfect and he knows he is not perfect. You can't always expect him to do the right thing in a black and white world. The world is not black and white. Do people expect him to turn Shagun in and get her arrested? For all those who find fault with Raman- wouldn't you be shocked if someone you know does something wrong? That is what Raman is going through. Shagun is an evil person but Raman does not care about Shagun. His dilemma is Adi and you can never expect a dad to put his son's life in jeopardy. I believe he should have told Ishita -she is going to be hurt regardless of when she finds out and it's better to find out when it is actually happening rather than later but then Raman is not perfect. His predicament is understandable.


Hey SS- thanks for the response 😃

Yeah completely agree, the reality is we live in a grey world and we all make decisions based on so many different factors. For some reason people seem to hold Raman to a higher standard. I personally think we've got a really realistic character here. He is not a weak individual as some perceive him to be. He's human, and he's trying to navigate himself through all this uncertainty.

i know we both agree about the timing of this particular storyline but i guess lets just see how it plays out
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalu79

Hey Uz,


Wonderful n much needed post 👏
Entire post is very beautifully written.

But this part loved d most :

For me Raman is the most well etched character on the show. His reactions, his emotions are all so realistic. When im watching the show i can identity with so many of the facets they have shown to date of him. Guys like him exist in our lives. I guess thats one of the reasons why I watch. The hero' here is an every day kinda guy, who hurts, who gets angry, who messes up. When he is wrong he puts his hands up and when he is right he doesn't give a damn about anyone. This guy is grey' he lives in grey', Life is not as black as white as some would wish it to be. Especially not where there are deep emotions at play. It's when characters are shown to be extremes of that ambit that i find it unrealistic. We have the right balance here when it comes to Raman.

I dont know if this is going to cause a separation' of sorts between IshRa- i believe there needs to be an emotional separation/ disconnect in order for them to reflect upon what their feelings really are. I've spoken about Raman more because like i said I feel like he is the one character you can really analyse to date based on all that we have seen.

Totally agree with u.

thank u for this 😊



Thanks Shalu-😊 nice to know I'm not in the minority here lol

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