Raman- To knowingly fall and falter

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ok so lots has been said this week about Raman and his actions. To be honest a lot is always said when it comes to his actions throughout the show. Anyway I just wanted to share my two penny's worth of thoughts on him.



For me Raman is at that point where he knows that the next step further will result in him literally falling. He knows that what he will do/is contemplating doing is going to bring him nothing but grief and despair. He is going to take a step and it will in the short term pull him back down again. Yet he cant help it- and this is where Adi comes in. Again Adi is a perfect example of how a person's unconditional love can mean that they will overlook any potential harm to themselves. Purely because they feel so much for the other person. It is by the by that Adi doesn't respect him or give him the love/affection that he is worthy of you. I said it another post and i will say it again. He is a child and he has been manipulated and used. Over and over. I actually feel for the kid.


I'm also going to start that I truly believe that the IshRa equation has absolutely nothing to do with Shagun's latest antics. The character is purely being used as a means of furthering the story. when i say story, i mean specifically Raman and Ishita. Raman does not love Shagun, but yes she burnt him so bad that the ambers from that fall out have still not died out completely. They will with time as he has already begun healing. When he consoles her its primarily on the basis that she is the mother of his child. Separation, divorce nor death will ever change that fact. Truth be told i wouldnt have much respect for a man who doesn't give the mother of his children a certain respect. This is why I liked Ishita's take on things last week.


This now brings me onto that bench conversation, The pledge that they would be united in any decision regarding both the children. If Raman is now going to be shown as breaching that promise. Then it has nothing to do with Shagun or Adi or for that matter any other person other than himself. This is about Raman realising that he does have an emotional equal' in his wife and that very vulnerability is his strength. As this is a drama serial and for the sake of storytelling I am just about willing to let go of the notion that i have that Raman would not breach that promise. He very clearly told Ishita last week that Adi and her have different places in his life. What he needs to realise is that when he says that what he really means is that they both reside in his heart She is here to stay and he does know that but what he doesn't quite realise is that she's hit him deep. she's unarmed him emotionally.


For me Raman is the most well etched character on the show. His reactions, his emotions are all so realistic. When im watching the show i can identity with so many of the facets they have shown to date of him. Guys like him exist in our lives. I guess thats one of the reasons why I watch. The hero' here is an every day kinda guy, who hurts, who gets angry, who messes up. When he is wrong he puts his hands up and when he is right he doesn't give a damn about anyone. This guy is grey' he lives in grey', Life is not as black as white as some would wish it to be. Especially not where there are deep emotions at play. It's when characters are shown to be extremes of that ambit that i find it unrealistic. We have the right balance here when it comes to Raman.


I dont know if this is going to cause a separation' of sorts between IshRa- i believe there needs to be an emotional separation/ disconnect in order for them to reflect upon what their feelings really are. I've spoken about Raman more because like i said I feel like he is the one character you can really analyse to date based on all that we have seen.


Honestly after over 6 months i've not seen' enough of Ishita. I can surmise and predict what her reaction will be but what i need and want is for there to be a realisation on her part about Raman. Whether he has admitted it or not he has been effected by Ishita for quite some time now. Its not even just purely a physical thing. She has invaded his privacy emotionally'. The wall that had been built up for so long is now beginning to come tumbling down. Some will say that Ishita has given him everything eg. Ruhi and stability in his life. That is true but he too has given her his name and respected that and has done his best to protect and safeguard her too.


Lastly I have faith in the Raman that i have enjoyed watching for the last 6 months on my tv screen. At the end of the day its entertainment and fiction :) . I also have faith in the creatives and KP in bringing that to life. This man is a revelation unto himself, these days on a daily basis.


The below song lyric keeps coming to mind when i think of ishRa- it may sound depressing but I'm not in the least feeling sad or dukhi. I'm looking forward to seeing what is next.

Kya baat hai jo tera saaya bhi rootha lage
Itni hai kyun dooriyan
Tere liye duniya bhool jau
Tere liye meri jaan
Tere liye saare din saari raatein
Tere liye aasman ha


(Navin Kundra- Tere liye)


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Posted: 11 years ago
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"Truth be told I wouldn't have much respect for a man who doesn't give the mother of his children a certain respect." <<This Uz, is the exactly what My Parents has said as well in their own context... and I completely agree with this. Thank you for pointing it out. Awesome post and a MUCH NEEDED one...Thank you so much for this!


P.S. Will be back again to edit properly..
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Uz ...you are a Goldie now 🥳
Beautiful post !!!
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Firstly take a bow for the post Uz...

"Truth be told i wouldnt have much respect for a man who doesn't give the mother of his children a certain respect. This is why I liked Ishita's take on things last week.


This now brings me onto that bench conversation, The pledge that they would be united in any decision regarding both the children. If Raman is now going to be shown as breaching that promise. Then it has nothing to do with Shagun or Adi or for that matter any other person other than himself. This is about Raman realising that he does have an emotional equal' in his wife and that very vulnerability is his strength. As this is a drama serial and for the sake of storytelling I am just about willing to let go of the notion that i have that Raman would not breach that promise. He very clearly told Ishita last week that Adi and her have different places in his life. What he needs to realise is that when he says that what he really means is that they both reside in his heart She is here to stay and he does know that but what he doesn't quite realise is that she's hit him deep. she's unarmed him emotionally. "



Very well written and much needed post here for the crazyness spread around ... point to point absolutely true...


Hehehe they are showing here Ishita as true selfless mother who know her grounds and understands her relations and their values in depth. Raman list his family once and he got one part named Ruhi who came close to him only coz of Ishita

He started looking at life and relations through ishitas eyes for now... Coz she changed the dimensions of relations and life for him however its not yet completely done by her it's still on the way and they have come a long way in the dimensional focus but there is still a major part of ramans life and the brutal truth that Adi his offspring who hates him to the hell and is over powered by his criminal down trodden mom ... just for money and luxury she chose to be a mistress of another Man...

iF a man has understanding wife he at times tends to take her for granted giving in for an obstinate child like Adi ... Be it blindly or Intentionally and wife will though gets hurt will not leave him coz a couple can part ways but parents can never and Ishita is a lady who believes in principles so we expect sheer dignity and maturity in this delicTe track ...

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Beautiful post uz.. 👏 I agree with ur points... I'm fed up with the bashing going on much needed post.. U hv beautifully mentioned everything nothing more to add 😃 👏. .I hope kal kuch positive dikhaye taaki my poor Bacha Raman Will not b bashed.. SHARAM (Raman -shagun) are only connected bcoz of their children n nothing ekse,ppl here r saying tht Raman is still in love with shagun 😲 it shocks me..
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Originally posted by: Romanticfreak

Firstly take a bow for the post Uz...

"Truth be told i wouldnt have much respect for a man who doesn't give the mother of his children a certain respect. This is why I liked Ishita's take on things last week.


This now brings me onto that bench conversation, The pledge that they would be united in any decision regarding both the children. If Raman is now going to be shown as breaching that promise. Then it has nothing to do with Shagun or Adi or for that matter any other person other than himself. This is about Raman realising that he does have an emotional equal' in his wife and that very vulnerability is his strength. As this is a drama serial and for the sake of storytelling I am just about willing to let go of the notion that i have that Raman would not breach that promise. He very clearly told Ishita last week that Adi and her have different places in his life. What he needs to realise is that when he says that what he really means is that they both reside in his heart She is here to stay and he does know that but what he doesn't quite realise is that she's hit him deep. she's unarmed him emotionally. "



Very well written and much needed post here for the crazyness spread around ... point to point absolutely true...


Hehehe they are showing here Ishita as true selfless mother who know her grounds and understands her relations and their values in depth. Raman list his family once and he got one part named Ruhi who came close to him only coz of Ishita

He started looking at life and relations through ishitas eyes for now... Coz she changed the dimensions of relations and life for him however its not yet completely done by her it's still on the way and they have come a long way in the dimensional focus but there is still a major part of ramans life and the brutal truth that Adi his offspring who hates him to the hell and is over powered by his criminal down trodden mom ... just for money and luxury she chose to be a mistress of another Man...

iF a man has understanding wife he at times tends to take her for granted giving in for an obstinate child like Adi ... Be it blindly or Intentionally and wife will though gets hurt will not leave him coz a couple can part ways but parents can never and Ishita is a lady who believes in principles so we expect sheer dignity and maturity in this delicTe track ...



Thanks Shakti for commenting..

@ bold that is so true- thats what we have been saying. As parents your relationship never ends, regardless of your personal equation. Obviously now we need to see the effect of that on his equation with Ishita.

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Originally posted by: happenstance



Thanks Shakti for commenting..

@ bold that is so true- thats what we have been saying. As parents your relationship never ends, regardless of your personal equation. Obviously now we need to see the effect of that on his equation with Ishita.


to be frank uz...they claimed YHM to be a mature story a professionally settled lady going through a rough patch of life with infertility entered a mans life for a small girl ..so she knows how tough her life will be in order to set in the family picture ...its all about maturity of minds , dignity of self respect, integrity of ones character and over all its all about understanding a mans plight and his helplessness state deeply and helping him to come out of it ... in this process the forced couple will fall for each other and they realize their feelings and handling with the new delicacies and hesitations is another challenge to reveal themselves such a wonderful story and why why ppl r taking it so childishly like a teen age love story where tu tu main main things happen todays episode was so earthly real and i just fell for todays episode ...
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Originally posted by: happenstance


This now brings me onto that bench conversation, The pledge that they would be united in any decision regarding both the children. If Raman is now going to be shown as breaching that promise. Then it has nothing to do with Shagun or Adi or for that matter any other person other than himself. This is about Raman realising that he does have an emotional equal' in his wife and that very vulnerability is his strength. As this is a drama serial and for the sake of storytelling I am just about willing to let go of the notion that i have that Raman would not breach that promise. He very clearly told Ishita last week that Adi and her have different places in his life. What he needs to realise is that when he says that what he really means is that they both reside in his heart She is here to stay and he does know that but what he doesn't quite realise is that she's hit him deep. she's unarmed him emotionally.


For me Raman is the most well etched character on the show. His reactions, his emotions are all so realistic. When im watching the show i can identity with so many of the facets they have shown to date of him. Guys like him exist in our lives. I guess thats one of the reasons why I watch. The hero' here is an every day kinda guy, who hurts, who gets angry, who messes up. When he is wrong he puts his hands up and when he is right he doesn't give a damn about anyone. This guy is grey' he lives in grey', Life is not as black as white as some would wish it to be. Especially not where there are deep emotions at play. It's when characters are shown to be extremes of that ambit that i find it unrealistic. We have the right balance here when it comes to Raman.



Great post Uz! And these 2 para's forcing me to rant again😆.

Raman is the most believable character in YHM because he is real - and real means he has his flaws - and huge flaws at that. Yes - you are so right when you say ' he knowingly falls and falters'.

But - what has also been astonishingly consistent in his characterization is that he has some things which he does not compromise on - his principles and his obsession with the truth.He has proved time and again that he could go to any extent for this sake. This also means that he has a huge conscience (something Shagun lacks - she is a diametric opposite here) - which keeps nagging him and making him repent for wrong decisions (taken knowingly or unknowingly).
Here is where I do not agree with people who believe Raman is bi polar - Yes his reactions may be extreme - but his inner persona is pretty straightforward.

His biggest weakness and his biggest strength are the same - his obsessive love for people close to him - his children and his family (people he considers family includes Mihir).In today's episode, Raman included Ishita in this close group of people - and how!!
He knew he has compromised on his values for the sake of one person he loved the most - Adi - and that made him guilty as hell. But the moment he reached home (in that taxi), his entire focus of guilt shifted to another person he cares for a lot - Ishita - What a way to present his conscious feelings - CVs did a great job here👏.
From here on it was Ishita- her reaction, her family - and how he would face them - that bothered him the most.

If we think back to the Adi - Ishita confrontation in the restaurant - Raman's guilt there was majorly because he felt he let Ruhi down for the sake of Adi - it was a choice between both his kids. Ishita was not a part of his inner circle yet. But today - what progression!

I think the reason YHM has not focussed too much on Ishita's inner turmoil yet, is because this is still Raman's redemption and breaking those high defensive walls he created after Shagun hurt him. He needs to heal first before he can be a support to her - (that's totally my opinion though😊).But I do hope we see more of her layers too - there would be ample scope in the realization track for that.

For now - for people like me who love flawed and complex characters - it is going to be an interesting ride to see RKB battle his own conscience, his guilt, his attachment to his son - all weighed against his growing fondness and respect for Ishita.

Too much rambling again😆 - But thanks for a lovely post again!
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Lovely post Uz and once that was very needed.
The hero' here is an every day kinda guy, who hurts, who gets angry, who messes up.


SO true. Raman is always targetted for things regardless of what he does. Raman's actions are not influenced by Shagun; they are influenced by Adi. You can never ever stop loving your own child regardless of how loveless the child is towards you. He is blinded by his love for Adi and will do anything for Adi and that is what he is doing here. Everyone has someone in their life that is not perfect and has flaws and yet you still love them. why? it is because you are not able to focus on their flaws because your love for them is greater than that.

It would be a totally different story if Raman was doing this with malice which he clearly is not. Throughout the episode you could see the turmoil that Raman was facing so I am not sure why people are finding fault with what Raman did. I do believe that this track is being introduced at a wrong time. this track should be coming after Ishita and Raman have actually admitted to each other that they are in love but then that is not Raman's fault lol. but since CV's decided to introduce the track now we just have to get used to it which means understand Raman's actions.

Raman is not perfect and he knows he is not perfect. You can't always expect him to do the right thing in a black and white world. The world is not black and white. Do people expect him to turn Shagun in and get her arrested? For all those who find fault with Raman- wouldn't you be shocked if someone you know does something wrong? That is what Raman is going through. Shagun is an evil person but Raman does not care about Shagun. His dilemma is Adi and you can never expect a dad to put his son's life in jeopardy. I believe he should have told Ishita -she is going to be hurt regardless of when she finds out and it's better to find out when it is actually happening rather than later but then Raman is not perfect. His predicament is understandable.
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Hey Uz,

Wonderful n much needed post 👏
Entire post is very beautifully written.

But this part loved d most :

For me Raman is the most well etched character on the show. His reactions, his emotions are all so realistic. When im watching the show i can identity with so many of the facets they have shown to date of him. Guys like him exist in our lives. I guess thats one of the reasons why I watch. The hero' here is an every day kinda guy, who hurts, who gets angry, who messes up. When he is wrong he puts his hands up and when he is right he doesn't give a damn about anyone. This guy is grey' he lives in grey', Life is not as black as white as some would wish it to be. Especially not where there are deep emotions at play. It's when characters are shown to be extremes of that ambit that i find it unrealistic. We have the right balance here when it comes to Raman.

I dont know if this is going to cause a separation' of sorts between IshRa- i believe there needs to be an emotional separation/ disconnect in order for them to reflect upon what their feelings really are. I've spoken about Raman more because like i said I feel like he is the one character you can really analyse to date based on all that we have seen.

Totally agree with u.

thank u for this 😊


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