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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Metamorphmagus

I couldn't agree with you more. Whatever is happening now is a turning point in Ishita and Raman's relationship. It wouldn't have bothered him so much before. The guy's character is superbly written and I am eagerly waiting to see what he will do next. Because this is just the beginning. He is yet to face his biggest test when Shagun re enters his life which is of course bound to happen.



Amen- @ bold! the whole issue of Shagun getting entangled or at least attempting is a means of Raman being able to tell her to go take a hike. It won't be because of the hurt she has caused him in the past it will be because he really has no place for her in his life apart from her being the mother of his child. He has already made such progress when it comes to making peace with himself and I'm sure we will see more of that soon.

Thanks for commenting I always enjoying reading your posts! btw whats your name?😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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raman has been been really irritating him for the last couple of episodes, but I understand what why he is being like that. the fact that he is being so normal with shagun tells us how much he has moved on from her.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bruce_L

Nice post Uz.
Raman is grey and we like him for what he is - Couldn't agree more.
Though I hate to hate Raman, but cant deny that he was a big disappointment last night.
He gave in to Adi's request or say his love for Adi and did let go off Shagun, am completely okay with it. After all can understand, as these all may have an effect on a child which no child deserves it even if that is Adi, the spoilt brat.
His guilt was visible from the time he realised what was he doing and how it gonna bring a storm in his married life and he deserves an applaud for this unlike doing anything without knowing its pros/cons which the old Raman used to do.
And let me admit it, I so wished for something like this kind of m/u or seperation of IshRa to happen. Before confession or realisation of their feelings, m/u between couple is like viewers winning a lottery.
But what I felt as a big let down is he gave in to Shagun's crocodile tears (this was not and will be never in my wish list). And this has built Shagun's over-confidence regarding her misconception about Raman and his relationship with Ishu.
Writers could've avoided this part and should've come up with something else to create m/u between IshRa rather than using Raman's old habit of doing damage that leads to people like Shagun to take advantage of it and Ishu to get hurt in the process for no reason.
During Raman-Shagun scene, couldn't see the (reformed) Raman who used to judge people like Shagun and avoid any wrong to happen or come his way. IMO.
Anyways, damage is done. What I want is Raman to keep his promise and as far as I know, HE WILL, as he does what he preaches !!!
Afterall Raman is potrayed as for real, so even I'll let go off my anger of last night, fasten my seat belt and enjoy this track which I too wished for. What to do, Raman se zyaada der tak naraaz nahin rah sakti but I wont mind if Ishu doesn't think the same way (Please Ishu, have so much hope in you).
Raman, get ready to suffer for your darling Ishu, even viewers are ready 🤣


@ bold- grey is the new white! hehe...

I've mentioned before my views on Adi. I still maintain my position 😆 he is a child. Yes he is spoilt and not the 'warming to the heart' kind of child but he is still a child. Raman sees that. He sees past the 'facade' because ultimately that is what it is. It's the whole nature v nurture debate in play. For a father to walk away from their child because their child is ill-mannered or rude is not good enough for me. Therefore kudos in my opinion that Raman has not walked away.

Certain people can blindside us, and with Raman perhaps Shagun is one of those people. That's not to say that he doesn't see her for who she is, its just that she is his past, a huge part of his life. That is hard to erase or omit regardless of how painful the break up was.

i honestly did not want a misunderstanding to take place, it my book theres a lot more understanding to come first before the whole misunderstanding aspect comes into play! I don't know the motives behind the introduction of this track now into the show, but i have faith and will wait and watch- patiently
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

You know Uz I am bored of this track but honestly I am loving how it is bringing out the different shades of each and every character to the fore as well as changing the dynamics of so many relationships.

Shagun is finally being a smarter villain, Raman is being shown as a very REAL guy, one who isnt ideal nor is he without his own demons or without his own turmoils.


Saying Raman should have done this or that is easy, but is it possible to be in his shoes and not tremble even for a moment, falter when there are two roads ahead of him - the right one and one that's the more viable option.

He should pick the right road - such an easy thing to say, but to do that he would have to give up temptation - the temptation of finally having some access to his son, if not his love then his respect, his acknowledgement.

As a parent, he was disheartened to see his child cry, as a man who considers the woman who almost died as his own mother, he wanted justice for her... but would that justice not cost him? It would, it would make his son hate him even more than he already does, the hope that he has however minuscule would be dimmed even further.

In all of this Raman is actually being placed between a rock and a hard place

Raman' love for his son versus his love for his family, his loyalty is tearing him apart, not to mention the huge onus of Ishita' unwavering trust is on him now. As a man who places trust high on a pedestal of sorts, since he doesn't place it easy on people now; to be on the side of the things he so detests... its not easy... somehow his plight reminds me of this quote, cos one or the other time, we all have to face a similar situation

"I used to advertise my loyalty and I don't believe there is a single person I loved that I didn't eventually betray."


Aani- I agree with everything you have just said!

What bores me is the accident. I was never interested in the culprit I sill am not. I would have been very content had it just been a random hit and run. But oh well.

I'm happy that we are getting to see more of Raman's layers- I feel like we are somewhat going to full circle in respect of Raman. It also means that KP is able to showcase the full spectrum of his talents, and so for that reason alone I will be patient and see what is in store for us.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pomegranate

raman has been been really irritating him for the last couple of episodes, but I understand what why he is being like that. the fact that he is being so normal with shagun tells us how much he has moved on from her.



Hey i know that his actions and behaviour have grated on a lot of people. I'm in the minority because I don't think he has done anything 'wrong' so far. When I say that i mean in respect of his feelings and emotions towards any of the people in his life. In respect of his actions, well hindsight is a great thing and he has been shown to be human. Yes he sometimes loses his way but he does find his way back, and he will here too. Patience is the name of the game😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Interesting post !
Given reality is being mentioned, sure Raman's feeling, emotions and guilt is all very valid and human. His affection and vulnerability due to Adi is also very human.
But then must look at his actions. Humans do make mistakes but slowly learn from it. Raman has shown to be vulnerable father with Adi to start with and he is still at the same place.
Yes Raman needs time to grow but matter is when it comes to Adi is he willing to do that?
I am not even talking abt Ishita, Ruhi or his family right now. I am talking simply abt Raman himself. Knowingly fall and falter means it is a choice. He has taken this choice. Sure he says he is willing to face consequences for it but is he really? It is shown he is willing for it now but looking at past episodes not too much. By being this vulnerable father he is hurting himself. While vulnerability is very real, but till how long others can carry this vulnerable person?

In past where he has given into Adi's obsession, what good has really come?
If Raman wants to grow as person, he has to make hard choices. Now one would say he is doing that but is he really? How are his actions different from past behavior? The added element is guilt, this time for Ishita and not Ruhi. But so what? For his son he is willing to play with law?
I don't know what frustrates people on forum, but yes people do expect more from him. After all he is the hero.

If it was shown that Raman is still stuck between what to do, some impulsive actions of do something for Adi but then step back do something opposite; then you really have good grey character and confusion. But what is being portrayed is Raman is thinking abt Adi's well being and his actions are only thinking abt him. Later he shows guilt for Ishita but there is no action. So I ask does he really feel stuck or between rock and hard place? Raman needs to grow out of this for Adi, for Ruhi, for Ishita; does he has some individualized sense of being or not? I read so many times his reactions in various posts here, how abt having actions. And in past when Raman had true actions, he rocked 😉

Yes people like Raman sure exist, but then they are left to be on their own. I should know as I work with such people. Here CVs are showing something real but their method is still same old. The presentation is clearly partial. As audience we hear person's guilt & self talk but is that what really takes place in reality? Do other people get to hear abt self talk?

While Adi is kid, he too needs to grow. If CVs show Raman needs to grow, well they also need to show ways Adi needs to grow. Just coz he's a kid he shouldn't be let off easily. Especially when Ruhi has shown going through so much. So sooner or later Raman actually needs act like a father ! Doesn't matter if it is convenient for him or not. In past he has simply asked Adi to say sorry but that was not coz of Raman it was his fear of truth coming out. So Adi needs to do right thing coz his father Raman knocked sense into him !!

Have no idea what CVs plan. But if they are showing Raman making so many mistakes like in reality, then later they must show him being punished for everything as well coz that's reality !!
But then end of the day it's fiction tv show. Don't know abt others, I may watch it till it is bearable 😆 Whenever self-respect is compromised, I start moving away from it 😆

God I have written so much 😲
Edited by jay_bpm - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#27
Loved your post and your POV on Raman's actions. Raman was never shown as a perfect hero, his flaws, the grayness in his actions makes him more realistic.
He is fighting an internal battle himself, battle between his mind and his conscience. We will just need to wait and watch which one prevails and which relationship is salvaged in this battle. I know it is painful to watch and bear some scenes but I believe it will only strengthen the underlying relationship between Ishra.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: happenstance


Sorry i've been meaning to respond here, everyone has written so thoughtfully on the subject!

@ bold- i ended up bolding the entire paragraph, because i agree with everything that you have said! I love the fact that he has certain principals which underpin all his actions. He does not sway in those principals, and when he is torn he always finds his way back- and thats because of strong moral compass.

Spot on about his biggest weakness being his biggest strength. I guess the key is to ensure that you allow the light in even in your darkest moments.

I think I'm quite greedy and perhaps its because of usual television habits that i expect them to also hone in on the finer details in respect of Ishita and her many layers. As much as Raman needs to heal, I feel Ishita also needs to open herself up to the possibility of sharing something more than just being co-parents. I know there has been a lot of progress made on that front though i would love to gradually see more. Though i guess they are limited as to what they can realistically show in a 20 daily show.

Thanks for commenting, really enjoy reading your comments!

Thanks Uz! Yes - its Raman's moral compass that puts him in a dilemma everytime.
And looks like your wish of seeing Ishita's turmoil is going to come too - looking at the spoilers and Vandu pregnancy track. What better time to introduce this than when she is at her most vulnerable after the epi yesterday.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great analysis of Raman's complex character..!!
Lets see how he will tackle this...with Ishita being so hurt..!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ishu is going to feel vulnerable now that Vandu has announced her second pregnancy. While Ishu may rejoice in her sister's blessing, it's only human that she may feel the pain of not experiencing motherhood no matter how much she's accepted it. Only another woman in her place would truly understand the pain.
How will Raman support Ishu in this phase? Or will he? Will he run every time Shagun calls him leaving Ishu to cope on her own. This is a good opportunity for Raman to learn a few truths about how he handles his relationships and the changes he needs to make for his own good.

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