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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: fast trak

I dont think Tappu wudve been any better after knowing the truth. She doesnt care for anything other than herself. She didnt even bother to pick up her mothers call when she was in that 5 star hotel aur ab jail ki hawa lag gayi toh maa aur nani yaad aa gayi. Really matlabi character.
@trupat.
Jogi never neglected his own daughter. Its just that he tried to give Icha a good basic education. Whatevre it is Tappu was his own daughter and he cared for her a lot. Even Ammo loved Tappu. Why dont u comment abt that? Did ammo not treat Tappu like her own? Infact ammo was the one who told Icha that hamesha babyji ko khush rakhna hai which Icha has always done. Why r u trying to look for negativities in Jogi alone?
The relation between Icha and Jogi was only built over time. If u remember even in childhood Tapasya took a vow from Icha ke tum mere maa papa ke paas kabhi nahi aaogi. I still recollect how scared Icha used to be when Jogi used to come lovingly to her. She used to scarily look at Tapasya and run away with an excuse. There r so many such incidents which make me feel that Tapasya always wudve been evil no matter what.

For-- "I don't think Tappu would have been better.if and.."..there is no excuse to let the bitterness grow in a child's mind and yet do nothing about it. Jogi took responsibilty to correct what he did wrong to Ichha ..was fine......but doing it abruptly-..and yet taking away something from Tapasya which she felt (and sure was made to feel right from her birth).......that as a parent his affection exclusively "belonged" to her. ..and not explaining her anything was not done. (what was his reason-that "she will grow upto become evil anyways...so let her suffer now..why even bother explain" - is that what you are trying to say was his reason?
Maybe you can't relate to a child psychology..think of a wife-who suddenly finds her husband starts giving same gifts to his maid servant(maybe it is out of a moral obligation like some guilt...)....the husband is giving same attention to his wife.....she knows its platonic and he's not sleeping with the maid...yet she will feel cheated-she will hate him for that...The way spouses feel that they have an "exclusive" right on their spouse...same way kids feel they have a "special" "exclusive" right on their parents-which they don't want to share with an outsider.(the reason they share love with their siblings is coz they understand the "reasoning".....but sudden sharing with an outsider unreasonably..might be completely unacceptable to the kid.
Kids are possessive about their parents...and if parents after letting them live with that possessiveness...suddenly become "equally" loving to someone...it has to accompany with reasoning and communication with their own child..the child deserves to know the reason..ti relate with it.
Ammu started caring for Tapasya as a part of her duty, and as a part of gratitude towards Jogi ...which Ichha understood..she saw everything......but the way Jogi showered fatherly love and gave everything "equal" to his daughter cannot be equated and rationalised in the same way. Financing Ichha's study...and giving her everything "equal" to his own daughter-are 2 different things. Jogi had a reason to give affection "equal" to his daughter, and definitely it cannot be denied that it was because of his guilt (they showed it in the serial...you can argue anything..but thats what they showed...the main reason of giving equal affection to Ichha was his guilt and repentance....it was not a gradual thing as you are saying...it was very abrupt and sudden when the realisation of killing Ichha's dad dawned on Jogi...)...... if he had shared this reason of sudden behavior change with Tapasya.....it might have reduced the bitterness..if not eliminated completely.
Tapasya was not shown evil right from the beginning...but initially she was shown as a loving, kind hearted girl.....she turned evil after Jogi started giving "equal" love to Ichha. Thats what has been shown in the serial ...you agree with it or not-or say whatever you wanna say.
And your argument...that Tapasya hid so many things, so its fine for Jogi to not have shared it with her.........😆..A father is more responsible towards his minor child...parents and children both have things they hide from each other. But there is a moral responsibilty of a parent to share a fact ..and communicate about something thats affecting their child's psychology so much..and causing so much pain to her.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Well said Abhay!
This is equal to breaking head against a rock. Rock bhi shayad after few hittings toot jayega. but yeh toh baap re baap.
@trupat.....when i wrote abt follow and worshipping evil I never meant it in the real literary sense.
I meant idolising ppl who commit evil.
In that sense every criminal in the world has some pathetic story to tell abt his childhood.....as to what lead them to commit those crimes but does the law listen to those reasons and feel sorry for them or lock them up in jail? Its equal to that.
Well honestly Im not interested in just prolonging this argument which goes no where.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: fast trak

Well said Abhay!

This is equal to breaking head against a rock. Rock bhi shayad after few hittings toot jayega. but yeh toh baap re baap.
@trupat.....when i wrote abt follow and worshipping evil I never meant it in the real literary sense.
I meant idolising ppl who commit evil.
In that sense every criminal in the world has some pathetic story to tell abt his childhood.....as to what lead them to commit those crimes but does the law listen to those reasons and feel sorry for them or lock them up in jail? Its equal to that.
Well honestly Im not interested in just prolonging this argument which goes no where.

Who is talking about law here....
We are simply talking about one responsibilty Jogi should have taken care of..are we allowed to talk about that.......or the talks have to be only about blaming Tapasya-anything else..or talking about something wrong on anybody else's part is not allowed on this forum?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali_dg

Also another possible reason why Jogi chose not to tell the truth to his daughter then, was possibly because, Tapasya was herself very young when Iccha's dad died..Imagine what the child would go through looking at her father figure as a criminal, where does a kid's mind understand the meanings of Prayashchit and paschyataap? She would have very serious mental depression.

I know many individuals who themselves indulge in and instigate fights and vengance because sometime in their childhood they saw their parents fight! Such tender is a child's mind, trying to understand her dad who murdered is a distant thought, I bet she would have been shit scared of even looking at her Dad.

Thats understandable and a noteworthy thing. ..but still... maybe communication like.."I didn't want to do it..it happened as an accident..I am repenting for it....".and explaining things to her might be able to help her understand the whole thing. Kids are able to understand lot many things if they are explained in the right manner.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hima.....
I dont want to compare Jogis hiding to Tapasyas. Theres seriously no comparison. But the accident committed by Jogi was far too serious to be revealed to a tender childs mind. Hence they hid it from Icha and Tappu.
Abt ammu caring it as a duty I dont agree....bec so many servants do it just as a duty whereas ammo cared for Tappu much more than a duty. Im sure u will agree here. She cared for her so much that unknowingly she made her daughter also her servant and Icha still acts like a maid to Tappu today sometimes which is why Tappu behaves so haughtily.
Abt Jogis and Ichas relation it was gradual. Not gradual for Jogi but gradual for Icha. She used to be terrified to come near them bec of fear of Tappus wrath. Tappu has always terrified Icha since childhood then imagine how criminal and revengeful Icha shdve been now.
But I clearly remember when Icha was abt to marry Veer it was only that time she felt pain of separating from Jogi and that he was a father figure to her. It was then she called him papa for the first time.
And when u say he loved Icha more what do u mean?
Did Jogi give Icha a bedroom same as Tapasya or only pamper her? No. Tapasya used to be the apple of his eye but when she showed hatred towards Icha he started getting stricter with her. He never wanted his daughter to have such evil thoughts whereas he was always a kind man. He cudnt take it that his daughter was turning evil.
Tapasya was a friendly child with Icha till the point Icha studied in that poor school. Once Icha came to her own school and started winning friends and competitions she cudnt take it. She was always treated and pampered like a princess and hence cudnt take losing very well. She always only saw Icha on a level lower than her only that made her happy. Such habits were all signs of possible future evil and they grew and grew worse and worse.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

Who is talking about law here....

We are simply talking about one responsibilty Jogi should have taken care of..are we allowed to talk about that.......or the talks have to be only about blaming Tapasya-anything else..or talking about something wrong on anybody else's part is not allowed on this forum?

Hima
Precisely what I want to say, We shd discuss everyones mistakes not just Tapasyas. But at the same time dont cover up her faults always by blaming everything on parents and nani. Shes a grownup lady now and has a reasonable level of intelligence to choose between good and bad.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

Who is talking about law here....

We are simply talking about one responsibilty Jogi should have taken care of..are we allowed to talk about that.......or the talks have to be only about blaming Tapasya-anything else..or talking about something wrong on anybody else's part is not allowed on this forum?


u talk wht ever u lke. we believe in freedom of expression. madam why r u taking so seriously, just cool down😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I think jogi should have revealed this to tapasya once she was an adult!!!..this would have helped in justifying jogis position!!!..because the equation that exists between jogi-ichha-divya-nani etc is weird!!..its great that jogi adopted her..and thats rather nice..but see how it turned out...tapasyas evil acts are all arousing from jealousy due to her fathers love to Ichha...its so stange that ichha still calls divya thakurain..which is what damini and other staff call her!!..and nani calls her chuhiya ..and that too openly..but she calls jogi papa!!!...isnt this equation a bit odd...😉..frankly i am not one for justifying any of tapus acts even though i am a hardcore veeya fan...as her acts are evil..period!!!..but as far as jogis role in it goes..i am sorry i still stand by that he has contributed big time to this fiasco..if only he had revealed the truth to tapasya at a mid way stage!!!..but then again what would be the story of the soap...😆....incase everything had turned out hunky dory....i tell you..its all so unrealistic..
Anyway Himani..thanks for an intresting post..as usual!!..sorry for not commenting earlier..i have a tendency to only open veeya heaven and barely glance at any other thread now..😉...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: fast trak

Hima
Precisely what I want to say, We shd discuss everyones mistakes not just Tapasyas. But at the same time dont cover up her faults always by blaming everything on parents and nani. Shes a grownup lady now and has a reasonable level of intelligence to choose between good and bad.


fast trak dear, dont wast ur time in arguing. its useless. the same Tapu was enjoying all Ichha servises whn they grown up and never showed her hatred till she decided to snatch Veer. so all this childhood psycology is just to cover her crimes and to justify thm. blame game is palyed by week person only. those who r strong dont blame other and those who r looser always blame others for their failure. hv u heard, NACH NA JANE ANGAN TEDHA. thts the case with Tapu. rest leave to their supporters, they will find anyway some excuse.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonia77

I think jogi should have revealed this to tapasya once she was an adult!!!..this would have helped in justifying jogis position!!!..because the equation that exists between jogi-ichha-divya-nani etc is weird!!..its great that jogi adopted her..and thats rather nice..but see how it turned out...tapasyas evil acts are all arousing from jealousy due to her fathers love to Ichha...its so stange that ichha still calls divya thakurain..which is what damini and other staff call her!!..and nani calls her chuhiya ..and that too openly..but she calls jogi papa!!!...isnt this equation a bit odd...😉..frankly i am not one for justifying any of tapus acts even though i am a hardcore veeya fan...as her acts are evil..period!!!..but as far as jogis role in it goes..i am sorry i still stand by that he has contributed big time to this fiasco..if only he had revealed the truth to tapasya at a mid way stage!!!..but then again what would be the story of the soap...😆....incase everything had turned out hunky dory....i tell you..its all so unrealistic..

Anyway Himani..thanks for an intresting post..as usual!!..sorry for not commenting earlier..i have a tendency to only open veeya heaven and barely glance at any other thread now..😉...


madam can u remind us a single events after Tapu grown up till bride swapping, whn Tapu shows her hatred or jealousy??. she was always goody goody. thn did Jogi wd hv dream tht wht is happening with her? or he hd trinetra to see it. its very easy to blame others for ur own faults, and thts wht Tapu do. she is a looser in her life, and cant do anything, but blaming.

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