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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Chashmish786


I respect your thinking and I'm not going to say anything about you not liking chakor's love But I would love to share my thoughts on the same topic...

The way suraj reacted when "Doosra hero" was mentioned, I loved it undoubtedly but did you see what happened next ? He tried to be a jagat pitaah and said chakor deserves best but thanks to pakhi he's ready to confess...

Now about chakor I don't think what she's doing is "Specially for vivaan" bringing ranjhana's truth out will help all of them in 2 ways, (Trimurthi will break, Vivaan might join back sukor-imli ) And If she's concerned about vivaan right now, I can understand it too...For god sake how hurtful it is to know that "Your mother killed your father to marry his brother" And vivaan already have trust issues of size of a mountain and on top of that he cannot father a child...Can you imagine yourself in his shoes ? Because I'm afraid to do it...Chakor was more angry on suraj for accepting the challenge and then she missed him so terribly that she washed his jacket ( chakor doing household ? ) She felt his presence too...However vivaan is right now is du to circumstances or his stupidity but when chakor-vivaan were friends in childhood he did helped her allot risking his life many times..jumped in fire for her..stayed hungry with her for days..brought food for an unknown girl knowing that if he gets caught he's done for but he still did...I loved old vivaan but this one is almost non-existent for me...
Also right now she's worried about everyone's safety and suraj is #1 on her list ...I too find her way to mahaan sometimes but this is how this girl is...This is what makes her chakor...this greatness is what made her start care for suraj's drinking habbit, his safety so I don't have any complains from chakor...😳


@jasmine. You have given great explanation about Chakor..ur explanations has bring out my frustration..about chakor if I thought deeply ur points are right.vivan will bring out ranjana truth.so that's way thirumurthi will break..if she do it.so soon she and suraj will relese from banduva problem..so first she has choosen ranjana truth to tell Vivian..more than meet suraj😛

But chakor missed him very terribly for few days..when they were separate time. I though chakor will go to any extent level to meet sur j so I thought that chakor will run to see sura j immediately...But very disappointed..chako r didn't do..she refused meet suraj for vivan but she could have tell anytime about ranjana truth...But she would have ran to meet him if she is in love with suraj currently..it's means she has expressed her jagathmatha attitude more than her feelings. So that was topic..But not yet finished Holi episode..let see Monday episode how she will reach in village..?😛

Edited by sailuja - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Some of these discussions seem unreal to me. Suraj is not the victim here. He has tortured the villagers for a long time...what he has gone through as bandua recently is the same torture he inflicted on the villagers...keeping them (including Pakhi, Sakshi...) without water, food, other neccesities. Villagers were rightfully reacting to the abuse he had done to them in the past. It's the innocence and forgiving nature of children like Pakhi (Chakor's nature) & solid support from Chakor that has redeemed Suraj. What did he do to deserve this redemption?...nothing!!!. Has he confessed his wrong doing to villagers, to Chakor - asked for forgiveness - nothing. All he has done is not bite the hand that saved him...no great shakes...he refused to slap Chakor and saved her a couple of times in return for the countless times she has kept him alive and encouraged him. The way I see it - I cannot understand what Chakor sees in Suraj...a weak guy who cannot do anything without her help...who criticized her for the way she tried to help (jump into the well) or complained about itching straw (when his life was saved) or about his jacket (auction) or his kurtha (mahasivarathri)...and now jumps to conclusion at her not being there at holi. What a selfish person. What does he have to offer Chakor that he confess his love to her now...he cannot support himself let alone a wife...no roof over his head...no food. The whole Imli episode has not been cleared up...Chakor still thinks Suraj loves Imli...while Chakor has shown her vulnerability when she is drunk...Suraj has not even acknowledged all the things he did to her...forced marriage, blackmail, torture...how does Suraj realize or confess love without thinking through all this himself first...only a selfish simpleton would! The way he has realized love is like that of an uneducated person...Pakhi says love and he realizes he is in love...he's not even not thinking through what all Chakor makes him feel...what all he's done to her. I am so disappointed in Suraj's character progression - CVS made him so weak...and yet everyone seems to be targeting Chakor...are we all watching the same show? The only hope now is for a new entry who will givehim serious competetion for Chakor ... so he actually gets a brain and becomes smart like the old Suraj used to be.
I recognize VJ's acting prowess but to not be able to distinguish between the actor and his role...I don't get that. Remember even with the amazing acting talent VJ has his chemistry with Vidhi is zilcht. It's the chemistry and equation with Meera that works... I think we should cut Meera and Chakor some slack.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Yes I also feel like suraj should not tell chakor now but he was not going to and pakhi also had a. Point . Okay and now regarding Duran's worth , okay all this band huva track was to redeem himself and to make him free from all the cruelty hi did to villagers and t was much needed one for him . He deserved that punishment . To chakor he did say sorry to her and is really guilty . And regarding him selfish I don't think so he was but not anymore . If he was selfish after chakor lost her media power he cud have fled with his mummy . Kn did gave him some time to flee but he just sat near chakor without letting her know that . Recently he sacrificed his one day meal for those children etc and now he attempted to save villagers also from olvs .

But yes I also wish that he firt get a way for his living and then propose chakor .and regarding him being useless and need help from chakor well t s how t will be all FLs are super women and all MLs will require their help . But I wish atleast hete theu show them.botj equal equal like n the ring ceremony , the bot find the ring same time . Tbeu shud be equal n their relationship . May be he will .



And even after he people het she will deny and will tell him also that he s not n live and h s just confused . Because she will be scared to go through all that relation thing again. Vivan also did the her and make her believe bghaybhe live her a lot and then he dumped her saying t was just childhood friendship m so samw way she will say to suraj that je also doesn't love her but just confused . And our suraj babu can woo her make her believe that he really live her and will always live her even if she never reciprocate the same . In that way he can redeem for all the horriblebtjings he did to her
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ipkrr

Some of these discussions seem unreal to me. Suraj is not the victim here. He has tortured the villagers for a long time...what he has gone through as bandua recently is the same torture he inflicted on the villagers...keeping them (including Pakhi, Sakshi...) without water, food, other neccesities. Villagers were rightfully reacting to the abuse he had done to them in the past. It's the innocence and forgiving nature of children like Pakhi (Chakor's nature) & solid support from Chakor that has redeemed Suraj. What did he do to deserve this redemption?...nothing!!!. Has he confessed his wrong doing to villagers, to Chakor - asked for forgiveness - nothing. All he has done is not bite the hand that saved him...no great shakes...he refused to slap Chakor and saved her a couple of times in return for the countless times she has kept him alive and encouraged him. The way I see it - I cannot understand what Chakor sees in Suraj...a weak guy who cannot do anything without her help...who criticized her for the way she tried to help (jump into the well) or complained about itching straw (when his life was saved) or about his jacket (auction) or his kurtha (mahasivarathri)...and now jumps to conclusion at her not being there at holi. What a selfish person. What does he have to offer Chakor that he confess his love to her now...he cannot support himself let alone a wife...no roof over his head...no food. The whole Imli episode has not been cleared up...Chakor still thinks Suraj loves Imli...while Chakor has shown her vulnerability when she is drunk...Suraj has not even acknowledged all the things he did to her...forced marriage, blackmail, torture...how does Suraj realize or confess love without thinking through all this himself first...only a selfish simpleton would! The way he has realized love is like that of an uneducated person...Pakhi says love and he realizes he is in love...he's not even not thinking through what all Chakor makes him feel...what all he's done to her. I am so disappointed in Suraj's character progression - CVS made him so weak...and yet everyone seems to be targeting Chakor...are we all watching the same show? The only hope now is for a new entry who will givehim serious competetion for Chakor ... so he actually gets a brain and becomes smart like the old Suraj used to be.

I recognize VJ's acting prowess but to not be able to distinguish between the actor and his role...I don't get that. Remember even with the amazing acting talent VJ has his chemistry with Vidhi is zilcht. It's the chemistry and equation with Meera that works... I think we should cut Meera and Chakor some slack.


going by that logic, imli was his partner in crime, yet villagers never said a word to her-- why because she is one of them? talk about the so called double standards of the village people. they were ready to pounce on chagan and abuse him for doing as ragini said even though he like them fell for her game.. but they have never said a word against imli who has done as many bad things as suraj has done.
suraj was following his father's footsteps - jaisa baap waisa beta type... but imli, what is her excuse for being the partner in crime and doing bad to the villagers? she was born and raised in the village and very well knew the difficulties and torture her family faced by the likes of KNR and Manohar yet that didn't stop her from abusing the villagers along with suraj... so if suraj hasn't done anything to deserve redemption and forgiveness, neither has imli, but if they are willing to forgive imli who hasn't once apologised, then surely they can forgive suraj who since becoming a bandua has apologised for his actions and has tried to redeem himself and help the villagers...
Edited by Yuvika_15 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Yuvika_15


going by that logic, imli was his partner in crime, yet villagers never said a word to her-- why because she is one of them? talk about the so called double standards of the village people. they were ready to pounce on chagan and abuse him for doing as ragini said even though he like them fell for her game.. but they have never said a word against imli who has done as many bad things as suraj has done.
suraj was following his father's footsteps - jaisa baap waisa beta type... but imli, what is her excuse for being the partner in crime and doing bad to the villagers? she was born and raised in the village and very well knew the difficulties and torture her family faced by the likes of KNR and Manohar yet that didn't stop her from abusing the villagers along with suraj... so if suraj hasn't done anything to deserve redemption and forgiveness, neither has imli, but if they are willing to forgive imli who hasn't once apologised, then surely they can forgive suraj who since becoming a bandua has apologised for his actions and has tried to redeem himself and help the villagers...


I don't have a valid argument, TBH. There is no logical reason why the villagers have selective amnesia. It's pretty clear the writers/PH are forever attempting to glorify Imli. They've made all the other characters consider her slate wiped clean and are hoping the audience will do the same. And they've been pretty successful judging by the response on the forum. I think this is the first anti-Imli post I'm seeing in a long long time (and it was just a few months ago that she was the most hated character on the show).

Coming to the original post, Priya's rant against Suraj (I hope you don't mind me speaking on your behalf, Priya. But I do know we're on the same page) is on account of him being the male lead and because we expect more from his characterization, especially since he started out so strong. Enslaved or not, this is fiction, that too an Indian soap where characters are larger than life and there is no excuse for this downward spiral of his.

On a side note, I too would like to comment on the Chakor bashing that's been going on. Why is Suraj given a free pass when all of Chakor's actions and even comments are scrutinised?! If one can take issue with Chakor still caring for Vivaan (despite his shitty behaviour of late and tossing her aside for Imli, he was a pretty good friend to her when they were children) why not be miffed about Suraj saying Imli and not Chakor is his best friend?! (and they have such an ugly history together that too!!)
Also, to everyone who's a VJ fan first, no one's criticising him. Hell, we're all watching mainly because of him. He made Suraj likeable in his dark days and even now, although he's getting almost nothing to work with, he elevates the blandest scenes and salvages what the pathetic writers and sloppy editors have made it their mission to ruin.
That being said, Meera is also doing a really good job with what she's given and she has genuine chemistry with VJ, and for that give her some credit at least, regardless of how she is off-screen/on social media.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Sooraj is tough outside but good inside. He redeemed because he has goodness inside him otherwise whatever done,Chakor can't change him.
The tortures he had faced was severe and is nothing in front of whatever he had done to others.

His attitude is different and that is his basic nature that can't be changed,but he has respect and admiration for Chakor.He is still thinking that Chakor would get someone better for her and also he said to Imli that he didn't want to stress Chakor always for his goodness.
He is definitely not selfish anymore because he starts to think about others and their happiness now.
Why Chakor needs him ?
She is a normal girl, put aside all the jagath matha traits,she needs someone who understand her nature,respect her and care her and Sooraj fits in that category.


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Posted: 8 years ago
DISCLAIMER -NO OFFEND DIRECTED AT ANYONE...😊
sigh...😕sometimes, the frustrations,criticisms and rantings on this particular thread becomes too much to take up,and I feel like breathing out in the fresh...🥱

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Posted: 8 years ago
Okay honestly, this is an ep discussion thread. We respected people's sentiments and backed away from the ATs. But if we're not allowed to express our opinions here also, I guess someone will ask for a frustration thread next so we can compartmentalize all the people with differing opinions.
If you don't agree, don't read, as simple as that. Just how people like me turn a blind eye towards anti-Chakor posts.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Aradh_27

Okay honestly, this is an ep discussion thread. We respected people's sentiments and backed away from the ATs. But if we're not allowed to express our opinions here also, I guess someone will ask for a frustration thread next so we can compartmentalize all the people with differing opinions.

If you don't agree, don't read, as simple as that. Just how people like me turn a blind eye towards anti-Chakor posts.

thanks for jumping in Aradhana - you said it perfectly.
I skip over the Chakor rants and the Suraj worship. I miss the balanced discussions that used to happen in this forum. If this is not the right thread - it will be good to consider another.



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Posted: 8 years ago
ok!
just tell me ONE just ONE thread where we can speak out without being judged or having to watch our words or being questioned for having opinions?

we aren't posting in the ATs. We are criticizing BOTH Suraj and Chakor not being selective.

i honestly do NOT mean ANY offense but it is getting tiring to feel guilty for having opinions good, bad or ugly.

stopped posting altogether for the precise reason. and guess this is time to simply quit.
what is the point of being a part of a discussion forum if we can't discuss lest sentiments are hurt?

i guess i am sounding rude. NOT my intention. just tired.

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