Maddam Sir - EDT #1 - CLOSED! - Page 64

Yesterday's episode felt disjointed to me.....the hospital sequence was horribly edited....I knew that they won't let urmi go that easily....but where is the scene where Pushpaji realises that HM was just pulling the doctor's leg? I loved how Pushpaji teased HM about Urmila

"Pushpaji duniya mein har koi aapko nahi ched tha" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by: Anee2

Back to THIS EPISODE - I think we felt very similarly about it and mentioned alot of the same things, but love the way you expanded on the details. Just a few things I thought while reading your analysis:

a lot of my replies are from a retrospective point of view so 😃

I didn't think you'd seriously do it!

I didn't too but I was quite literally speechless for a good few hours.

Same, I gave a 100% effort in keeping my own thoughts and feelings at bay. This was such an important episode that I didn't want to impose on the makers' creative freedom. I really wanted to let them lead my mind through the finale they had imagined - but I did falter from that commitment a few times, and almost felt guilty for it.

yep yep. i faltered from that commitment in the end, when everything was said and dont. despite all the good things about the episode, there was something very crucial missing that needed for the characters and us as an audience to wrap up this whole plotline properly.

Totally agree! The execution was so clean and gave complete cinematic feels. I often feel that the cast and crew really carry this show on their shoulders, and that becomes evident in important moments and episodes like these. Whenever the writing is beyond frustrating, the plot is illogical, the track is dragging, no matter what, the only thing that keeps us connected is the cast and their performances.

the only thing that kept me watching through these three months is the cast. if it were anyone else, i would have quit a time ago. so you are absolutely right in saying that the cast and crew do carry this show.

Ah just noticed the symbolism behind 360 pan shot. Those pan shots are so so overused in itv dramas that I think we tend to overlook their significance when utilized aptly.

the camera spans 360 along with the doom tha na na na background score are highly overused and redundant. but here, I think it was well utilised to showcase the character's frame of mind.

Karishma didn't beat up urmila but she did watch urmila get beaten without interfering. I think that reflected her resistance and anger towards urmila for claiming to be maddam sir, which she voiced immediately after when urmila got back up.

yep. the hesitance was clearly evident in the way she stopped and let haseena continue the fight on her own. maybe it was both her mind trying to process and her body refusing to acknowledge that possibility after her hopes had broken over and over again.

in retrospect, this was haseena's fight to fight all along. in a way, she was the one who started this and she had to be the one to end it. but when she allowed someone else to be a part of that fight, it shows how she has grown as an individual who knows when to ask for help and isn't hell-bent on being a mary sue- which she quickly proves she is later with her apology.

Nothing to add, except my happiness that I'm not an exception here. The whole insta fandom is going gaga over these dialogues but I can't seem to feel or connect to any of it.

IG fans go berserk with every little indication of their everlasting, eternal, soul binding friendship which I can't seem to identify. then again, this is my own biased perspective on this dynamic as a whole so I wouldn't take myself too seriously.

It just didn't fit in, not with the attempt to convince karishma, nor with the flashback of the death scene. Like komal said, I think THE HM would've tried to protect anyone sitting in that car, even karishma would've in her right mindset. That's who they are as police officers. Originally, that push did not give any friendship vibes, at most it had felt like a senior protecting a junior. So while haseena was explaining her fear, I was basically reimagining the scene in my head to force myself to notice and understand haseena's fear. (Also me stupidly finding logic - if haseena didn't push, they would've both died, so how would she have lost karishma? She surely didn't think the car crash from a cliff had chances of survival ). I'm also glad to see haseena express all her feelings, but the dialogues should've been written alot differently to be more relevant and relatable. In fact I think what she said here might've fit better in something like the air pollution case when they could've actually lost karishma.

i agree with this completely. I think the other thing that makes this jarring is the lack of buildup to this specific moment/dialogue. had haseena expressed this fear of losing to Karishma during the air pollution case, it wouldn't seem as forceful. Lmao when she said i pushed you out of the car cause I didn't want to lose you, I was like - you would both die so there ain't going to be anyone missing/losing anyone.

Ahh kareena! I didn't really have anything important to add to your post and I was feeling so lazy, but this point nagged my brain enough to force me to reply.

I don't think they are friends at all, let alone soul-sisters. They have never opened themselves up to each other - be it their true personalities, their personal lives, their problems, their grievances (esp about each other), their likes/dislikes, etc. whatever any 2 ppl in a close relationship share. And they don't have any intention of sharing any of that either.

yep. this is basically what I have trying to say. I won't say it is part of their characters to always want to hold it in and be there for everyone else but I can not. Karishma has shared all of the above with Pushpa Ji on numerous occasions and vice versa. haseena has shown to be a little more carefree when anubhav and her were a thing. so it's not a character thing, it's a character dynamic thing. that is also what makes the forced narrative annoying to me. i am not saying they can never be friends. but to share that relationship, they need to let their guard down and have those uncomfortable conversations.

In fact, karishma and urmila (san-memory-loss) were better friends- karishma happily shared her love story, didn't hesitate to emotionally break down in front of urmila, and even sought solace in her embrace. She had promised a hug and gift to maddam sir, couldn't find a way to do it for 2 years, but finally managed to give it to urmila. Haseena, under the pretense of urmila, could shed the seniority/professionalism/colleague barrier, and actually try being karishma's friend. Although karishma instinctively opened up to urmila's friendliness, she could never really accept urmila as a friend, simply because of the facial resemblance with maddam sir.

this is because urmilla wasn't madam sir- there were no expectations to live up to, no preconceived notions, no power imbalance, no need for the awkwardness that came with their professional relationship. the thing you mentioned about the gift, i saw the insta fam gushing over it but it pointed out the lack of comfortableness in the Karishma haseena relationship. so while they weren't friends, in a way they were closer to that than Karishma and haseena were.

Although its not friendship, kareena do have alot of respect, care and protectiveness for each other

agreed. there is definitely a lot of respect and cordialness between the two.

I think if anyone has aptly described their bond so far, its billu - that of Ram and Bharat. Though, because of karishma's angry nature, I think Lord Ram and Lakshman suits better. The love and appreciation is there, but the maryada/boundary and one-sided idolization + obeisance is also there. Also, the only time Ram openly showed his worry about Lakshman was when Lakshman was attacked and made unconscious in the war, however Lakshman openly stood up for Ram many times - I feel like we can draw a parallel of that with haseena and karishma. Komal brought up Krishna/Arjun in another topic and that's a very good one, but personally I don't think kareena fit that bond, at least yet. Krishna and Arjun, besides mentor-mentee, were also very good friends. They spoke their mind to each other without hesitation or worry, and both were more open with each other than they were with anyone else. Karishma and haseena aren't at that comfort level yet, but maybe now, after urmila's stint, they just might get there. I feel that Krishna/Arjun would be the ideal ultimate stage of the kareena bond - friendship amongst an inevitable hierarchy, souls connected at the deepest level. (That's the kareena bond I ship, in my dreams )

I am not too well versed with our Indian mythology so I can't say which one suits them better. but I loved both your and Komal's reference!!

The problem with everything I said in the last paragraph is that writers have left untied ends at crucial points. The only way kareena's bond can reasonably progress from forced colleagues to Ram/Lakshman to Krishna/Arjun is if each of their misunderstandings and confrontations wrapped up completely, not only on a positive note but also with some introspection.

this!! there is history between these two but it ain't the kind to look back and be like- yea they hated each other's guts but grew as friends. I look back and I think- Karishma as an individual has grown so much but their bond hasn't made it to the stage of friends + the narrative is being forced. the fake police station, qayamat, janki puram thana and many more that I cant think of right now really needed proper confrontation, warp us and introspection. I can never accept the notion that they are BFFs if none of these things is addressed properly. if I have a fall out with a friend, I talk about it, apologise, think of what to do next time and think about where can we improve even if it's through text. we don't just sweep it under the rug and be like raat gayi baat gayi. until they are able to do that, the dynamic/relationship would always be of mentor-mentee/ram-Lakshman/Karan-Arjun.

The makers jumping right over all these important conversations, assuming actions speak louder than words, and suddenly giving them overly expressive dialogues (love you maddam sir, I can't bear the thought of losing you karishma singh) - it obviously comes off as forceful and hard to digest. Despite all these issues, there are kareena shippers because they see so much potential in this bond if it was handled correctly. Alot of them use their imagination to fill in the writers' glaring gaps.

agreed.

Yes, it was the closure we all needed! The reunion scene pulled in the viewers as if they were members of MPT like cheetoshpa. From what I remember of the direction, they show kareena's entry from inside the thana, and then slowly pan to the other side where cheetoshpa are talking. It's as if the viewer is right there in the place of the camera, waiting with cheetoshpa for an explanation. And we all really were waiting, to see how haseena mallik erases the confusion, to see how she justifies herself, to see how cheetoshpa react...we too had subconsciously readied our own reactions for her confession. I don't remember the rest of the direction, but I really did feel a part of that moment, of that reunion with haseena mallik, of that promise that everything will be okay now. I smiled and teared up a bit just like the rest of them.

agreed behen. it was well executed right from the camera work, direction, editing and acting. I wasn't waiting for the justification because I believe that after the stunt she pulled, there cant be a possible justification that would be satisfactory. I just wanted a solid confession with no missing details and a heartfelt sorry. while most of these things were missing, I felt in the moment with these characters. I felt the liberation they were feeling as the truth came out. i felt happy as they smiled, a real and genuine smile after a long time.

Yup, she also said it with alot more emotion than before. The character development was made very obvious, and why not, its the only one she's ever had so far.

@underline: i am sorry this cracked me up. but yes, i agree

Thanks for putting out that whole rant, I totally agree with all of it. It was such a perfectly executed and enacted episode, yet there was absolutely no closure on anything of the past 3 months. I was smiling by the end, but my mind was asking a thousand questions. The mess they left unattended was so bad, that I didn't even find it worthy of my anger. Just felt disappointment, that it really do be like that hey, you expect us to wrap up all the missing pieces in our imagination

i was angry and disappointed both at haseena and MPT. lol, I was probably feeling angry on behalf of MPT. spiritual connection XD

Tbh, the insta fans falling head over heels in love with this 'closure' made me even more uncomfortable

which is why i keep away from the hashtag.

...maybe that's the kind of audience this show is written for, maybe its not meant for our critical and analytical minds.

when i think about the inconsistencies/ lack of logic, I feel obliged to be angered/disappointed. but you are right, at the end of the day, it is a comedy so maybe too much logic is unfair to expect.

anywho, I am taking a break from this show for my own mental wellbeing. ill still be a batakti atma around the forum tho.

Am I the only one who was bored throughout this case?

Anyway the 90's look was amazing 🤣🤣🤣

I knew Santu's dad will do full on chamchagiri to Rashid Iqbal 😡😡😡..... today for a change Santu's dad took over Chita's job of getting on people's nerves

The entire episode felt rushed , right from the Rajesh Khanna interview ( 🤣🤣🤣) to revelation to the last scene....

Honestly what I don't get is how can someone fake being a poet for 30 years? That requires some dedication and hard work and In the process of learning to fake something , the person would actually end up learning it....

Also why is Santu's dad shoehorned into this plot? Anyone from the regular cast could've been make the die hard fan of Rashid Iqbal and could have done those scenes...would have brought 0 change to the plot itself...

Loved Karishma and Santu's auto scene today...

Last week I was seeing comments about cheetosh fake engagement for a case....was it just a rumour?

Originally posted by: LogicLover

There are people I've seen on YouTube, Instagram and even wattpad thinking this show supports fake feminism and the female characters are unnecessarily glorified. I never got when did this exactly happen. I might agree that male characters don't get as much as screen space or character development like female characters but that doesn't mean supporting fake feminism.

well, haseena may be unnecessarily glofied with her classic mary sue behaviour but I don't think anyone else is. if anything, they've all had to deal with the consequences of their actions. they mess up and learn from those mistakes to become better people. they aren't perfect and nor do they hate on men for no apparent reason. male characters such as cheetah, Iqbal, badnam and billu don't get as much character development/screen space because they aren't main characters and this is a woman-centric show. even then, they do get their fair share of bright moments. the driving force behind the story and narrative are these four main women characters.

Agreed! Even I wanted her memories to include entire MPT. She is Maddam Sir to all of them. Her identity Maddam Sir is because of MPT, including Iqbal or Badnaam because except them no one addresses her as same. She is Haseena Mallik, Haseena or Miss Mallik to the world. But then how would CVS put extra spotlight on Kareena friendship. Even if not so much, at least one scenes with everyone would have been enough.

yep. she is maddam sir because of them and they needed their memories included in her journey as she came to recall who she was. the extra spotlight was basically fanservice.

flashbacks are a literary device that either enhances our experience, tells a story or facilitates our understanding of the present situation/character (there are more but I am focusing on these three). the whole revelation scene was alleviated because we were given insight into the character's heads, to see what they were thinking. it told us the story of her identity and who are the people who contributed to that. all that allowed us to better understand why she was persistent to convince Karishma that she was the real haseena malik in the middle of a fight. which is why i say, on its own, it's a good scene.

now when I look at the bigger picture, I am thinking about where the rest of her family went as she remembered her life. where did some of the happiest (winning the best thana competition, countless salutes from people, her mother celebrating her birthday) or the saddest (thana being shutdown, santu's coma, Pushpa Ji being tied to the bomb, her own near-death experience) went? because at that time she wasn't specifically remembering who Karishma was/a part of her life, she was remembering her whole, complete, 31 years of her existence life- the life in which a lot of people came and went but there were 6/8 people who were her constant.

I remember when MPT was about to shutdown during JPT track, she remembered memories with everyone. Of course, more with Karishma but at least others were included.

i will admit that part was nicely done becuase there was some form of balance. there was a proper tribute to the station and what it stood for. not sure if I am recalling this correctly, but I always assumed the reason her flashbacks were mainly of Karishma is that she was the reason the station was being shut down. so haseena would have been feeling hurt and naturally remembered the times there they were on the same side.

These days I sometimes feel to highlight Kareena, other bonds are being ignored by makers. Not that I've problem with Kareena but I think balance is required because they promised us a story of four independent females.

agreed.

@Blue: Would it matter even if Mira fell of? She was a robot but knowing Haseena she could have done that. She was way too attached with Mira. And not to forget. CVS did give her a dignified ending.

🤣of course, Mira would have walked away without a single bolt/wire lose but I was talking about it in terms of sentimental value. would a semi conscious, borderline delirious haseena stop to think about mira being a machine? nah, she would want to save whoever it was in that seat regardless of her own life.

That's right! Else visit any forum with multiple famdoms and you will see how healthy the discussions. Every other post will have a DT note in it. But sometimes it fun reading those But coming to Santu, is there anyone who doesn't like her? You just cannot stop yourself from falling for her. And she is the character who has the most upward character development graph.

yes, some of those discussions are so nice and sweet that I get type 2 diabetes. i like reading those back and forth too! sometimes it's really hilarious to see them squabbling about two completely different points.

i like how i say 'my masumiyat' and everyone just knows that i am talking about santu 😛yes she and Karishma have had the most character growth and I am here for it. believe it or not, I have seen people disliking her character before especially during episode 301 (rejecting cheetah after telling her father that she was gonna mary him) but that's a whole other discussion.

Your points completely have my support. Their bond is beautiful but they are still not friends. They can be senior-junior or mentor-mentee. They are people who trust each other blindly but are not comfortable to confide in each other. I kinda found their relationship was good and was growing slowly initially. With every case, they were trying to know each other was were getting comfortable slowly. The growth was pretty natural. Nothing seemed forced. But after JPT track, they turned overly-sweet. Sometimes I think is it because of fans shipping them that writers started with their forced narrative.

agreed. the fans do have a large say in this, especially during this urmilla plotline.

That too sisters Every show has same concept.

oh the cringefest those shows are

Oh Mahabharat has always been my favorite. It's so deep that even I read it multiple times, every time I find something new. All the characters there have so much to explore

you and anee have now inspired me to read the Mahabharat and mythology in general hehe.

They need to have a conversation with each other where they would be talking about themselves. Sharing their struggles, their feelings, their dreams with each other. And not include their duty. It's good to be committed towards your duty but it's equally important to have a balanced life. These characters can never see beyond their duty. And this never lets them have their guard down. At least Karishma has shown some improvement by letting Haseena know why she couldn't become an IPS or how difficult her childhood has been. She has discussed with Haseena how no one wanted a girl to be a cop or how her husband fought against the world for her. But Haseena never. It was only once when she has let MPT know how as a kid she was in her school. And yes few times with Pushpa Ji!

yep yep. i agree with all of this. work-life balance is extremely important. they did touch on this topic during the inspector Vikram case post haseena's first birthday celebration.

I might be the minority here but if we talk about relationships Pushpaji's bond with both Haseena and Karishma is my favorite. I like that much more than any other relationships.

I adore Pushpa ji's bonds with all of them as well. it lends the professional atmosphere with a personal touch of motherly warmth and affection.

if I had to choose a favourite relationship it would be the sisterly bond between my masumiyat and Karishma. I honestly don't what it is that draws me towards it despite the limited number of scenes we have between them.

Even after three generations, it's not clear yrkkh

we will never know.😆

I wonder if they themselves know this

XD probably yes and no.

I've never been into fairytales even as a kid

🤣🤣 as a kid, I watched power rangers. fairytales what? speaking of which, how old are you? (IDK if this is too personal. if it is, then I sincerely apologise for hurting/offending you.)

Yeah please let's do it. Old is gold and I still love those episodes. I don't think they will ever have any conversation on any of those topics ever again.

yeassss. do we need permission for that? or can we just make topics episode by episode?

It's Haseena Mallik and her dearest team. Sometimes I think how all these weird people come together.

i guess that's the beauty of this show and its weird dynamics.

Specifically when we already know Haseena and SHO Haseena Mallik are two different people. So yes there might have been no need to explain to her team but she did owe an explanation who treats her as a daughter, to the woman who considers her a a friend, a girl and a man who looks upto her as a sister and also to Billu who has always stood by her.

yep yep.

Originally posted by: Krish58

i am glad hm is back..well i dont know if its possible or not but can i see a little purani karishma..with her new character growth being intact..I miss her bhaukal

Might be not as intense as old but I'm assuming it will be back. Very soon all the cases are going to turn into Haseena vs Karishma again so Karishma will show her bhaukal. But yes, the intensity of her bhaukal has come down

Originally posted by: Sainath-394-cid

Bulbul's beizzati 🤣🤣🤣🤣 the way he cried 😂😂😂😂😂😂

This was my favorite part in entire episode. He looked cute while crying 🤣

Aap daru ke adde par gaye the 😆 Okay I felt bad for him but again why do you always mess with MPT only to he left humiliated and defeated at the end 🤣

Originally posted by: Sainath-394-cid

I think this whole thing could've been done better.... urmila is shocked with her sudden farewell....as a goodbye speech she inadvertently recreates the video message scene of ep 394 in her mumbaikan language , everyone's transfixed at their spot , frozen as the realisation dawns on to them that Urmi is maddam sir urmi leaves when she sees that no one is moving ( because why wouldn't she?) By the time mpt members get out of thier trance urmi has already left, they try to track her phone....

Urmi visits HM's house and takes her uniform as a final souvenir....she is depressed that she has to leave ( in this AU she feels that she's not worthy of being in HM's shoes that's why she doesn't protest when she's asked to leave) and goes to a bar....bulbul pandey follows her and takes advice of her drunken stupor and turn her against mpt team....ks calls right at that moment...urmi hangs up.....hires a bunch of goons ks reaches that fight sequence place , this time around she pleads with urmi to remember her past....urmi doesn't listen....goons beat ks up....urmi remembers that she is HM....fight scene happens , heartwarming mpt reunion + sincere aplolgies + returning the money + ammi apology scene....

Is this one any good?

I wish even this time makers had hacked your mind 😆