Guys and girls can't be friends...and jealousy

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi guys, this long post is going to be about two interconnected topics, whether guys and girls can be friends and how that leads to jealousy in relationships and tying it into the show (I wrote this prior to the kidnapping track but was busy editing it etc.) Now as the title of my post suggest, to me guys and girls can't be friends and I know the girls reading the title were already disagreeing, but after reading this post maybe you'll understand what I mean 😆 I am letting you into the mind of a man and explaining our inner thoughts on this topic so that you can see where your thoughts of "friendship and ours differs 😵

There are a few exceptions where a man and woman can be friends. One is if you have been friends since childhood and are essentially brother and sister in everything but blood; if you tied rakhi's around her hand and your bond was strictly brother sister in every aspect, then yes, you can be lifelong friends, and the other is if there is no attraction from either the guy or the girl, then and only then can it be called a platonic friendship. Let me define a platonic friendship and that is: "a close relationship marked by the absence of romance or sex.

Men by our very nature were not put on earth to be friends with women, period Our objectives and our drive is not to see women as buddies to hang out with, it really starts from there.😳 Now if there is no attraction in the relationship, then congratulations you're in a true friendship but if the guy or girl has any attraction to the other, let's say you "like" your friend but you never ever say anything, then even if you never say it or act on it, it's not a purely platonic friendship is it then? How many girls have had male friends for a long time only to find out later down the road that the guy tells you they had feelings for you all along but couldn't say anything and the girl is totally surprised because she only saw him as a friend? Women do find it easier to be friends with guys that much is true, but a friendship is two people so if one has certain thoughts about the other, then it's not a friendship. When us men call a woman our friend and we are not attracted to you at all, then to us you have become one of the guys, we don't think of you as a woman anymore, you're essentially sexless to us, you're just a smaller buddy 😛 And this is very very rare, to be so comfortable with a female friend that we don't see you as a woman anymore.

The only way a pure friendship can exist for a man is if he doesn't see you as a desirable woman which hurts to think of, that your friend thinks of you that way, but it's the only way he can be your "buddy, it doesn't take much for a man to be attracted or to think sexually about women, you all know that, On average a man thinks about sex twenty times a day, do you think somehow he magically turns that off when he is spending time with his female "friend" for the whole day?

I know women are saying look at Saanvi and Mukhi they are childhood friends and I will say yes, in that regards they are essentially brother and sister so that part of this story is plausible BUT BUT BUT hold on, let's take this a step forward to tie it into jealousy 😆

You know how when you're young and single you always tell your friends that nothing will change when you meet a serious partner or marriage, that nothing will change between you and your male friend. Guys I have had female friends, ones I wasn't attracted too, and I knew beforehand that they are being idealistic and naive if they thought I could be their friend the same way once they got into a relationship, sorry, it never was the same. Slowly the pressure exerted from their partners forces them to distance themselves and it happens to us all, men and women; no wife is going to let a female friend in the picture for long, let's not think of how it should be idealistically, but how it is in reality. You have to understand boundaries, now when I had female friends who were in serious/married relationships, I knew okay, I can and can't do certain things like before, for example I can't go out to bars to have drinks with them, there's no calling them up at midnight to talk or hang out, there's no more playful touching or affection, its hands off, things have to evolve.

So when Saanvi called him in the middle of the night to see him, sorry that's crossing the boundary of being friends with someone in a relationship, you either find another person to call or tough it out, but that person is off limits at midnight. So for Mukhi and Saanvi to think their actions are totally okay, it doesn't matter what their intentions are, it's about respecting your partner and including them, not sneaking around them 😕

Why do these insecurities occur, it's like when you're single you see the world ideologically and how it should be, but after you are in a real relationship, you see things without that naivet, you understand men and women far better and with that awareness, eventually your partners opposite sex friends fade away. Jealousy mainly occurs in two forms, the first jealousy is the fear that your partner is going to cheat on you, leave you etc if you see someone talking/flirting with your partner. That type of jealousy is showing that you don't have trust, and if you don't have trust then it's not really true love is it, so that's one form of jealousy, and that type is death to a relationship, eventually your partner feels suffocated by your lack of trust and leaves.

But there's another type of jealousy and that's what Aru is experiencing and that jealousy is from COMPARISON, which leads to insecurity. In Aru's case her insecurity arises from the fact that Saanvi has one quality or one advantage she doesn't have and that's the fact that everybody keeps telling her that Saanvi knows Mukhi the best, that she knows him inside out, nobody is closer to him than her, and that one fact, that one advantage Saanvi has makes Aru insecure and jealous. For a partner to feel that somebody else knows their husband/wife better, it creates such a multitude of feelings of anger, sadness, distance, pettiness etc because how dare someone else know your partner better than you right, it doesn't have to make sense logically, it just creates uncertainty and anxiety 🤢

So although Saanvi and Mukhi are friends, with that has to come an understanding of the fact that things have changed, and that Saanvi especially is smart enough to know these things even if Mukhi is emotionally blind in some ways lol. Let's not forget that the boundaries of their friendship are also blurred especially for Aru because they were engaged, that simple fact shifts this from just a normal friendship as well. There's past history and there isn't one woman reading my post right now that would be comfortable with her partner being super close friends with someone who he was engaged to be married to no matter how long they were friends beforehand, let's be honest.

Saanvi's intentions are the best, she truly wants Mukhi and Aru to be together but you know what, she is as clueless as Mukhi! Why? Guys if she knows Mukhi better than anybody, she knows him since childhood then she should also know that telling him that Aru loves him would mean nothing to him! She should know he would never act on it or believe it, she has known him all this time, she knows he won't believe it so telling him was a waste of effort, if she really had a clue, she should have told Aru about Mukhi. She has tried helping ArMu get together but the main way she could have helped is by relaying her knowledge about Mukhi to Aru, instead of always reminding Aru she knows Mukhi best, why not tell her things about him so Aru understands him more so knows how to deal with him better. Why not let Aru know so she knows she has to be very open and blunt in telling Mukhi about her feelings? She should have been Aru's tutor in this situation, yet she was always busy reminding her she knows him best so I do think there's a reason for Aru to be jealous or for there to be miscommunication between what Aru sees and what's really happening.

I love Saanvi's character, I love her as a Mukhi's friend, I love her good heart, but there's a lot she could have done better to make it easier on the jealousy between ArMu. If she was smart enough to know that Aru was jealous of her and her relationship with Mukhi, then she should have been the one to address that situation. If you know you are the one causing friction, tension, and problems between a couple then the responsibility lies on you to clear up that mess. You don't sit there and do nothing, say nothing and then continue to do things that further drive a wedge between the couple, if she knows her presence is causing jealousy, then why would she call him at night to see her and then again from the clinic without having Aru know about things? You don't keep things in the shadows or secret if your friends with someone who is married and those secrets are causing tension for the people who are fighting to identify their love.

You have to understand how relationships work pre-marriage/post marriage, when your best friend gets married, no matter how long they have known you, there's a shift and adjustments to be made. You're no longer number one in their life, you're number two; you lose that right to call them up whenever and wherever you want, there's another person in the equation who has to be taken into consideration. For example, when I had female friends get married or be in serious relationships, if I was going to see her, I would tell her, did she tell her bf or husband, is he aware that you're seeing me, is he aware that you're calling me and if she didn't I would call him and let him know what's going on. The responsibility and onus is on me to respect their relationship and to not add undue tension by having him think I am going behind his back to see or contact her. Of course eventually as I mentioned earlier, the friendships would fade because opposite sex friendships never remain long term once the other gets married.

So I like Saanvi, I like lots about her but instead of focusing on telling Mukhi that Aru loves him or that Aru is jealous because she loves Mukhi, all of that really did nothing, she could have included Aru in her issues she was having with the pregnancy. If you were Saanvi, who would you bring your pregnancy issues to, a male like Mukhi who's only experience in pregnancies is with cows and farm animals or Aru who is from the city and knows where to look for information on medicine and treatments?! She explained things to the wrong person, it's like giving tools to repair your computer to a carpenter instead of giving the tools to someone qualified to actually fix your computer, giving Mukhi instructions on emotional issues is like that, it's not going to fix anything lol! So Saanvi's heart was in the right place, just not her brain.

Nothing Saanvi has done has helped Mukhi and Aru to get closer after Mishri left, it has been thru the events they have faced together that they have grown close. Has she given more awareness to Mukhi about feelings/emotions and Aru, yes she has, but really, what good is that knowing he will never act on it? Remember just like Mukhi, Aru has no family or friends in Amboli gaon either, so she is in an even worse place than Mukhi, at least Mukhi has Saanvi to talk to about these things, who does Aru have? Jealousy is bound to arise in any relationship that has one partner be friends with the opposite sex and then to add to that powder keg of emotions, secrecy and hiding things like Mukhi/Saanvi have been doing, that's putting a match to the powder keg so let's put the blame on everybody involved here, not Aru over-reacting. It's very easy sitting here when you're single thinking that there's nothing wrong with it, but think about it if you're married and then say, would you be completely okay with a situation like Mukhi/Saanvi? Doubtful.

I know this discussion can go on for a long time, but for the girls who think they can be long term friends with a guy, just ask your married friends or down the road, when you're married, maybe you'll remember this post and smile realizing that your male friends really aren't around anymore. When you understand men and women can't be friends, then you can see how jealousy will arise in a marriage if you try to maintain opposite sex friends, it may not be right, but it's reality. 😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Quite a thoughful post and a justified one . I must say. There is a lot that is not been shown about Sangvi. We only know that Mukhi and Sangvi r best friends and she is there in the village only because of his intervention and protection. We not not yet seen any depth in their friendship apart from Sangvi making mukhi realise about Aru's inclination. Mukhi supports Sangvi in her decision of carrying on with the pregnancy inspite her being a widow but we do not know if he knows about the father not not...He we do not know how deep is there friendship is. Usually, in such cases friends knows about each other in detail when they render such unconditional support. But it does not seem Mukhi knows about Sangvi's secret. So where is the friendship??? Well there is a lot of scope there. hope we will get to see that in future. May be Aru will fill the gap.
Now regarding the jealosy part, that is bound to happen in some way...I do not know much about men but even in a gruop of friends if a new entry comes and someone from the pals give too much of attention to the new one...old friends get jealous. Any change is not an easy exceptable. Same is happening with Sangvi. What ever childhood and till now friendship they have shared together will be theirs. She wishes good (Aru) for Mukhi but because she had been so dependent on Mukhi that it will take time detach herself from Mukhi.
Sangvi has not been projected they way I perceived her characted but Aru was the knew entry and moreover she wa not willing to stay back in the village...she did not even considered it a marriage. But Sangvi did tried to stop her. Aru is a city girl, indipendent and with a ming of her own. And Sanvi had always been the meek, feaful village girl. She will not open up with Aru so eaisly regarding her friend Mukhi. May be now that she is sure how Aru feels about Mukhi, she will render some of his childhood memories to Aru as her friend too.
Now regarding calling uo in the middle of the night...yes she could have called both realising the mental state and jealosy of Aru. Same for Mukhi, he also should have told Aru that he is going to see his friend may be she is in need. So it is both Sangvi and Mukhi who should have realized and accepted Aru's presence in Mukhi's life at least till Aru was there in that house.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks For Gyaan wally 😃
i have to only say soon saanvi & Aru will be best friends more than mukhi ji saanvi dosti.and yes we women girls knows very well Mardo Ki Aukaat.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey amazing people here...

I became a regular reader of this forum few days back. This is the first time I am writing something here. I am watching YMMKD and in love with it and all the people involve to this amazing show .

I always liked and adored Eijaz Khan and his personality. But I am in love with Niyati. She always kept me surprised after watching each and every scene of the show. So as Eijaz Khan.

I wonder how could a perfection be sooo perfect !! Actors, writers, sound team all ...

And guys... who introduced the terms ArMu and NiAz... Kudos...

Now... I am totally agreed with Spartan187 being a woman.

I think Man and woman can be friends and cannot be "best of friends".
I know many will disagree but just try to imagine the situations he described.
And also a yes to Saanvi's pregnancy issues what he said.

But I think Mukhi Saanvi relationship is not that easy. How could I forget they are supposed to get married 15 years back...
And I am afraid ...Saanvi would play main villain in this beautiful love story !!

But till now I am obsessed watching YMMKD.
Thanks to all.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: limasiddique

Hey amazing people here...


I became a regular reader of this forum few days back. This is the first time I am writing something here. I am watching YMMKD and in love with it and all the people involve to this amazing show .

I always liked and adored Eijaz Khan and his personality. But I am in love with Niyati. She always kept me surprised after watching each and every scene of the show. So as Eijaz Khan.

I wonder how could a perfection be sooo perfect !! Actors, writers, sound team all ...

And guys... who introduced the terms ArMu and NiAz... Kudos...

Now... I am totally agreed with Spartan187 being a woman.

I think Man and woman can be friends and cannot be "best of friends".
I know many will disagree but just try to imagine the situations he described.
And also a yes to Saanvi's pregnancy issues what he said.

But I think Mukhi Saanvi relationship is not that easy. How could I forget they are supposed to get married 15 years back...
And I am afraid ...Saanvi would play main villain in this beautiful love story !!

But till now I am obsessed watching YMMKD.
Thanks to all.





Hi Limasiddique!

Btw my name is Wally, I think it's time I changed that on here permanently lol :) Welcome to this forum, and you will hear this from other regulars here that most of us aren't the typical hindi serial viewers. This story has enough uniqueness and subtleties that it is unlike most serials out there. The variety of posts you will read here will always keep you smiling, and appreciating the depth of the various opinions etc, so you have chosen a good one to mark your first comments on :)

I will say that I don't think Saanvi will be a villain in this story at all, she is a very supportive and great friend to Mukhi and will be with Aru as well, i think she also is learning about how the three of them can all co-exist in a new relationship environment and not have secrets, mis-comminucation and tension, but that's the fun of the show, to not only see the ArMu realtionship evolve, but also other characters as well, including saanvi :)

There's enough villain possibilities including Rami,Arjan, Anshul, Lalji, they could even bring back Arjan's father to team up with Rami again, so I think Saanvi will have enough in her pregnancy track that she doesn't need to be a villain :)

Keep sharing your thoughts, it is a great place for avid discussion :)
Edited by Spartan187 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I will respond on Saanvi once I know her story...her back-story is not known to anyone...why is she not bringing Aru in to the equation...??Why is she calling him in the middle of the night?? are un-answered questions. We need to know her life to get a perspective of her life in order to comment on her intentions. I need my whats, whys and hows about her past to get a clear picture of her behaviour. But, at the moment, just as you stated a male perspective... let me state a female perspective (or rather, my perspective) as well in this regard. Men and Women can be purely friends and friends for life...with or without marriage. Pure-Platonic friendships are not uncommon- they are just very very underrated...and it is quite conventional to think of it as competition to the spouses...especially if one of the friend is un-married. I have never had a romantic inclination towards my (male) friends...and I am very particular about the fact that two of them are married as well. But, at the same time, one day, I had to call one of them at 2:30 in the night as I was stuck in the Delhi Airport...and there was a strike. I lived in Delhi University Hostel and had absolutely no other way out. I called him...and he came alone, his wife was home...though that was the only time...that I had to make a call to him...but there is NO iota of insecurity anywhere. In fact, when his daughter was born, my friend's wife asked me to name her...even when she could have done that herself or could have asked her parents or any other dear person of the family. But NO...she asked me...and literally pestered me for it!! Many times, we gang-up against my friend...and I once also settled their marital discord. U would not believe it Wally, when he got married, I spoke to his wife and her mother comforting her of all support...she calls me Didi (an elder sister)...and trusts me with her life...and believe me, I am not exaggerating. I have never tied him Rakhi...nor have I ever felt like tying...it just never crossed our minds. I am neither his valentine...so neither Rakhi nor Valentine's Day...can designate our relationship. I always call him by his nick-name...my version is shorter than his nick-name as well. Whereas his wife calls him by his proper (formal) name. So, basically, I will, for now, refrain from commenting on Saanvi right now...since the picture is unclear.. but the fact of the matter is that opposite gender friendships are definitely possible...and not restricted to big cities...both me and my friend belong to very small towns...just to tell u, I was born in a small village, where there was not a single nursing home. My friend is a Pahadi from a remote village in Uttarakhand where electricity is there for only 4 hours in a day...his mother is not so educated...and still we are friends and are proud to be each other's friends...I take pride in that connotation...that I remain his friend ever...when his wife had a miscarriage...he informed me so gently about it...knowing that I will be more shattered than him. It was his mother, who consoled me...may be, I cannot express...what I feel for him...but it is never romance or sex...I swear!! In fact, if he was not married...I would still never think of marrying him. Never... I only pray for all my friends' well-being and feelings like jealousy, insecurity has never crept in...on both sides.
Right now, just keeping my fingers crossed for Saanvi, may she live-up to my ideals of an honest and real friend and be intelligent enough to see where the world is taking this to...and step back, if need be. Let the episodes unfold.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Loved your comments Debashri, but see you are forgetting one thing that you have done which is what allows you to be his friend still...and that is you are also friends with his wife, you have sat and included her as part of your friendship, you and her are in fact almost like sisters ganging up on him and that's exactly my point though, that you do understand the evolution of your friendship with your friend.
You have become not only his friend, but hers as well, so there's no room for mistrust or miscommunication. But this may be a tricky question to ask your friend though, ask him was he ever attracted to you or thought of you that way, and then lets see what the answer is. To me, if your relationship and his is as great as you say, i don't think then he may have ever thought of you that way and that's my point, only then could it ever be a platonic friendship right?

My post is about that fact, that in the majority of cases, guys and girls can't be friends cuz attraction occurs at some point, mentally even, and often times a woman can be friends with a guy, but can a guy be friends with a woman is the debate...and in your case you have a wonderful healthy open friendship with not just him but his wife, so you have found that perfect balance, one hopefully ArMu and Saanvi can establish :)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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You do not need to forget your friends ...only need to involve your partner in it... that's what I did...now my Husband is more closer to my male friends than me...I feel jealous...I tell him...you stole my treasure ...(of friendship)...dagabaaz. ...
.(He did not know anyone in city we moved in...I had some of my friends there...he made ...his own group out of my friends...) and I am now more attached to their female partners...like childhood friends...

So, true...you need to expand circle of friendship ... so their partners can get in...not feel left out...or jealous.

Any woman in Aru's shoe will react the same...even if in namesake relation...still she is ...Mukhi's wife...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wally

HAHAAHA - with that line from Maine pyaar kiya resounding in my ears I say that firstly when you form a friendship with someone- male or female there will always be many qualities that draw you to them, whether it be appearance, kindness, humour, intelligence etc not if you are going to score or not. From you male perspective from what you are saying, I think can see where u are coming from lekinnn gender stereotypes (as in man will only want one thing from you-I can hear my mums words in my ears :)))) have moved on faster than the food from Lalji's plate. Women and Men can be friends and I have many male friends, they would stick by me through thick and thin as I would them regardless of our martial status as we friendsss we don't expect anything from each other we just are:)))
Jane.


OOHHH forgot about Sanvi... I am hoping that Aru takes a new take on Sanvi n Mukhi ke relationship now that she knows Mukhi loves her and is confident about their own relationship and accepts their relationship will always be close as it was before she came along. I think she is strong enough to do that lets hope CV's see it my way...optimist till the END! buahahahahha
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: -RadhaMohan-

Thanks For Gyaan wally 😃
i have to only say soon saanvi & Aru will be best friends more than mukhi ji saanvi dosti.and yes we women girls knows very well Mardo Ki Aukaat.



Lol, us men also know the the Aukaat of women and nowadays, there isn't much difference between the two ;)

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