Mahabharat Episode Discussion Thread # 17 - Page 24

Originally posted by: Arijit007

duryodhan was shishya of sheshaavatar balraam, so he had to best at gadayuddh, as there were no better gadadhari than baldau in that time.

Originally posted by: amritat

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Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Its a nice paradox.

Duryodhan was superior to Bhima in mace fight, Bhima was superior to Duryodhan in strength.

Now lets think, why was Bhima superior to Duryodhan in strength? - When Dury and Bhima were children, Duryodhan tied a sleeping Bhima and threw him into the river, Bhima was given the strength of 10,000 elephants. So, yes - Duryodhan himself was the reason for his death. Had Duryodhana not thrown Bhima into the river, Bhima would never have got this much strength and would never have been able to kill him in a mace fight.

Smiling in modesty, she said to him, 'Give me, O best of celestials, a child endued with great strength and largeness oflimbs and capable of humbling the pride of every body.' The god of wind thereupon begat upon her the child afterwards known as Bhima of mighty arms and fierce prowess. And upon the birth of that child endued with extraordinary strength, an incorporeal voice, O Bharata, as before, said, 'This child shall be the foremost of all endued with strength.' I must tell you, O Bharata, of another wonderful event that occurred alter the birth of Vrikodara (Bhima). While he fell from the lap of his mother upon the mountain breast, the violence of the fall broke into fragments the stone upon which he fell without his infant body being injured in the least

As far as the mace duel between Bhima and Dury is considered.Dury was clearly better and that is what krishna ji even says that even though Bhima has a lot of strength dury is very fast and agile hence even Bhima wont be able to defeat him and Bhima isn't able to defeat him which is why unfair means are used to kill dury. Mahabharat is no bollywood movie where villains are good for nothing

'Vasudeva said, "The instruction received by them hath been equal. Bhima, however, is possessed of greater might, while the son of Dhritarashtra is possessed of greater skill and hath laboured more. If he were to fight fairly, Bhimasena will never succeed in winning the victory. If, however, he fights unfairly he will be surely able to slay Duryodhana. The Asuras were vanquished by the gods with the aid of deception. We have heard this. Virochana was vanquished by Shakra with the aid of deception. The slayer of Vala deprived Vritra of his energy by an act of deception. Therefore, let Bhimasena put forth his prowess, aided by deception! At the time of the gambling, O Dhananjaya, Bhima vowed to break the thighs of Suyodhana with his mace in battle. Let this crusher of foes, therefore, accomplish that vow of his. Let him with deception, slay the Kuru king who is full of deception. If Bhima, depending upon his might alone, were to fight fairly, king Yudhishthira will have to incur great danger.

Originally posted by: Arijit007

hmm, i guess, defeating duryodhan by unfair means was right, because of bheem's oath his thighs had to be brocken and even krishna reminded baldau about that also.

Originally posted by: Arijit007

amrita, you forgot about bheema's practice dummies, kirmir, jataasur and some poor rakshas at the kaamyak van.