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Posted: 11 years ago
i agree with this, dhrit's blindness wasn't probably not his not weakness, but, he deffinatly lacked the quality to be a king, he would've been like many of those kings who were dethroned and killed if bhishma wasn't with him.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..



<div>I agree with all your points but this one. Sorry, but I don't believe that a woman has no right not to reject a King. When it comes to her marriage, it is her choice, and that is exactly what a swayamvar is. She has to choose her groom, and even though there was a test one had to pass, she had to choose which participants were worthy of the test. If she did not want to marry Karna, she cannot be blamed for it, for her father wanted her to marry Arjuna and so did she. Caste was very important in those days, far more than it is now, and even though Karna became a King, he was still considered a suta putra so society would have condemned a marriage between a suta man and a kshatriya woman. Even today, people reject potential partners based on criteria such as height, weight or complexion, which IMO is equally superfluous. It may be right or wrong for different people, but it's each person's individual preference and we have to respect that. Back then, caste was definitely the most important criteria so Draupadi refusing Karna was not an insult to him, but simply her stating her preference in a marriage partner. How else could she have done it? The swayamvar had already begun, women were not allowed contact with other men for her to do it privately, and there was no other way to let him down lightly. IMO, Draupadi refusing Karna was within her rights, as no woman (or man) should be forced to marry someone they do not like.

So as per this point, I do not agree she did wrong.



I will die in shame if i ever say that Draupadi did not have the right to reject.
I have been clashing swords with all those pepple here as well as other places, who tried to say Draupadi did not have the right to rejrct Karna. 😆 😆
Edited by amritat - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: divyasn


before the mace duel began .. epic yudi gives dury a suggestion that he can select any of the pandavas , if he wins - he will get the kingdom back ... that was nonsense rt , but Duri being the fair person chooses Bheem .. he did have some positive traits



I think he chose bhima coz he simply hated him the most!!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP




😃I think she was being sarcastic. Amrita is a big fan of Draupadi




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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


Bhima was not born with the strength 10,000 elephants. After Duryodhan poisoned him and threw him into the ocean, he met the nagas who gifted him with divine ambrosia that gave him that strength. After that he began bullying the Kauravas brothers as revenge for how they were treating him and his brothers.

The person who brought about the destruction of Kuru clan was Dhritarastra. He did not punish his sons for their ill deeds against his nephews. He pampered them and secretly supported them, and when children at that age are not taught what's right or wrong, they grow up to be perpetrators of crime, which is exactly what Duryodhan and his brothers did. However, one cannot blame just Duryodhan. After all, the apple does not fall far from the tree, so if the parent is corrupt, the child is bound to be corrupt too. That is why I dislike the characters of Dhritarastra and Gandhari so much. They played the victim card several times throughout the epic, trying to put the blame of their bad parenting on someone else, when in fact they are to be blamed for how their sons turned out to be.



Your timeline if wrong.

Bhima used to bully Duryodhana ( and his brothers ) and this was the reason Duryodhana tied him and threw him.

"..Whenever they were engaged in play with the sons of Dhritarashtra, their superiority of strength became marked. In speed, in striking the objects aimed at, in consuming articles of food, and scattering dust, Bhimasena beat all the sons of Dhritarashtra. The son of the Wind-god pulled them by the hair and made them fight with one another, laughing all the while. And Vrikodara easily defeated those hundred and one children of great energy as if they were one instead of being a hundred and one.."


Now below is after Bhima bullied Duryodhana and his brothers. This was the sole reason why Duryodhan threw the former.

"..They became engaged in play and began to exchange morsels of food with one another. Meanwhile the wicked Duryodhana had mixed a powerful poison with a quantity of food, with the object of making away with Bhima. That wicked youth who had nectar in his tongue and a razor in his heart, rose at length, and in a friendly way fed Bhima largely with that poisoned food, and thinking himself lucky in having compassed his end, was exceedingly glad at heart.."


I still stand by that Bhima was the one who brought the destruction of Kuru's.
Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
i agree, but bheem was a child then.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Bhima was surely a child and I dont even blame him, but he started a chain reaction of Duryodhan hating the Pandavas, that chain reaction caused Lac house, Dyut Sabha, and ultimately the great war.
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Posted: 11 years ago
🥳"Govind Bolo Hari Gopal Bolo.."🤗
It was My Govind all over yesterday..the Supreme God Head😃..the Super Planner..the Super Schemer..the Supreme Protector👏👏👏👏..and that's why the Episode completely Rocked for me!!⭐️ I couldn't get enough of either my Govind nor that Chausa😉..sad i've to wait for a whole day until Monday for the continuation of the Game of Dice!😊😳 LOLS!😆😆😆Didn't think a Game of Dice would excite me to this extent!😉😆 But when the players are Govind Himself and Mamashri, sparks are likely to fly all over!

Probably the Gandhari-Shakuni was far stretched, but i actually enjoyed that Convo👏👏👏..it had a lot of revelation from the past and from the consequences that each faced in the present👍🏼..some grey shades of the characters being highlighted from the Epic..and Gandhari hit straight out at Bhrata this time👏👏👏..blaming it all on him for the destruction of all her children...for the poisoning of all of their minds😕..legend had it that Shakuni did have a motive of revenge in bringing the K-clan sons with so much hatred in them so as to ensure their destruction in the end..but Bhrata Shakuni had otherwise to say here..so i liked that depiction from the CVs here👏👏👏👏..where Mamashri is shown to admit that he wanted to take revenge for his sister Gandhari's marriage taking place with the Blind Drith...but he never let that come between the children👍🏼...he brought Gandhari's children up with just as much love and affection and that he actually cared and felt for them....Must say very Impressive Emoting from Praneet Bhat and Riya there!👏👏👏👏...they were so convincing!😃

And yes, Gandhari may have chosen to go blindfold in sacrifice for Pati Drith but somehow, i have never favoured this so called "Tapasya" of hers👎🏼..a wife should be a guiding force for her husband as well😕..especially when he's going wrong🤔..Gandhari should have been Drith's eyes👍🏼..guiding her husband and the children in the path of Righteousness and Knowledge...and only Gandhari was capable of doing that👏👏👏..she could've even stopped Mamashri and prevented him from executing his evil motives too..👍🏼

Liked that scene in the cremation area between Arjun and Govind👏👏👏👏...they have so much of Bonding and Depth and at times their scenes together are full of fun, brimming with Bromance and Love!!🤗 Liked what Arjun said about Sukh and Dukh and Govind's reply to it👏👏👏👏..Parav scenes are always Awesome!!🥳 Even when they have nothing to say to each other😳😳...even when they just exchange glances😊...and SRJ and Shaheer always Rock in their scenes together!!👏👏👏👏 They come off so well all the time..🥳

And then..Shakuni's entry to the cremation😆😆..at least he payed homage to Karna's pyre!🤔Loved Mamashri's scene with Bhima👏👏👏👏...LOLS!😉😆😆 Mamashri's expressions were Kodak moments..and Bhima didn't even have to say a word!😛😆😆😆 That stare n Look from Vrikodar were enough to drive Mamashri to his senses😆😆😆..Aah! Praneet Bhat Rocks n How!!👏👏👏👏 And then Mamashri inviting the Super Prapanchi to a Game of Dice!🥳 LOLS!😆😆😆😆 Loved Loved Govind's every expression in that scene🤗..Shakuni's offer to accept Yudi's kingship if he lost and for Govind to accept Dury's kingship if Govind lost the Game very sternly rejected😉😆...Mamashri, when Govind plays, He sets the rules!!👏👏👏👏 "Agni Snaan" it is then...Awesome!!🥳 Would like to see how Mamshri is going to take this "Agni Snaan" post losing😉...this should be fun!!😆

And i didn't know that Dury took silent inspiration from the Fiery Draupadi herself!😲😉😳😆 For the second time he came close to mouthing what she did during the VH😉..when he said to Ashwi: "Don't come near me..or else u will burn too!"...so close to Draupadi's Liner: "Mera Sparsh mat kijiye mata...Main Malin ho jaongi.."😉

Mamashri and Govind begin the Dyuth🥳...Mamashri proud of his Diceys and moves..but that won't last long..😆😆..Govind decides who & what moves when😃😊..nothing goes beyond Govind👏👏👏👏...and no one ever challenges Govind regarding making moves according to their own wish!!😳 GG or otherwise, Govind is going to give Mamashri a piece of His mind and some "Dharm Gyan" in true Shakuni style!!🤗 Am Loving this...My Govind Rocks!!🥳The SRJ-PB Chemistry peaks every time they get started so this scene is gonna be a sure shot hit too!👏👏👏👏 PB is so so Awesome!!👏👏👏👏👏 And my SRJ😳😳...Maar Daala!!🤗 I so Love his Eyes..every expression coming across Bang On thru' them👏👏👏..SRJ doesn't even need to mouth dialogues👏👏..SRJ is my Krishna and yes, he has very effortlessly managed to replace the image of the Awesome Nitish Bharadwaj as Govind for me, although i still admire NB for his Work!!👏👏👏👏👏 And when my SRJ smiles😳..Aww...i just know that Winning Smile from our Govind is going set everything right and solve every problem!😃 I Love SRJ's Killer Smile🤗...it Always makes my Day!!!😊

Precap: Govind playing his tricks already, even before the end of the Dice Game!😆😆 He appears before Shakuni feeding a little doubt about all of Dury's parts getting protected from Gandhari's "Tapasya"😉..LOLS!😆😆 Trust our Super Schemer for this👏👏👏👏...and at the same time, Govind is teasing the naked Dury about going nude before his Mother leading to her death😛...LOLS!!😆😆😆 Govind's flopped Dury's plan even before it got started..Love Govind!!❤️ And am so looking forward to Monday!!😃😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Bhima was surely a child and I dont even blame him, but he started a chain reaction of Duryodhan hating the Pandavas, that chain reaction caused Lac house, Dyut Sabha, and ultimately the great war.



Oky fine even if bhima used to bully them then too pandavs never took any extreme measures after such bejavior frm dury's side!! Come on!! Our elder brothers and sisters bully us all the time, we dont go abt poisoning them or burning them alive!!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

I don't think dhrit could really do duty of a king.no kingship quality is there apparent.a king is not just supposed to sit on throne. a king is leader who leads his army, who takes decisions, who keeps everyone in check, sometimes even personally go in praja and look for wrongs. dhrit could do none of these. may b I sound cruel but this is truth. how dhrit could do these.let us say hypothetically some minister like bheeshma(if he was not bheeshma we knew) try to unsurp him from throne, or did something really wrong to praja how would dhrit b able to forge his authority?



my qstn is when Pandu went to forest , drit was given the power of attorney and he was ruling ... may be with support of Bhishm and vidur , but he did rule ...

So he cud hv made the king and aptly supported by Bhishm and Vidur ...

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