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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes, Janhvi, it was admirable, but I do not think I could do it. Nor am I sure you could, you cannot possibly know.There are also women who, having finally got out of an abusive marriage, actually go back to the ex-husband when he is bedridden and dying, and nurse him. That sort of thing is for candidates for sainthood. I would rejoice that he was finally getting what was due to him.

So, no one can say that Ovi has to accept this child. I did not know that anyone was making Ovi out to be a saint; I thought that was reserved for Archana and her maanaseeka putri. They do sympathise very strongly with her, in good part as a reaction to their acute dislike for Purvi (they even call her beautiful, which goes to prove my point), but partly because, as I too feel now, she deserves it.

As for my take on future, you would be well advised not to laugh. I have a strong feeling that it is going to come true, and then what will you do about your ladli? You will be forced to condemn her unequivocally, my dear, while I can merely note that I told you so!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, I was about to turn in but had to peek in to my detriment :) I am in stitches imagining the scenes of domestic bliss that you have painted!!

Ovi accepting the baby or not makes not the slightest difference to me, it will just prove that she is not the saint that she has been painted out to be. There have been numerous posts extolling her maternal virtues of how she would be a better mother and should therefore divorce Arjun and take the baby away from him. That is not going to happen as Ovi's character will not lend itself to such altruistic love. That is all.

As to whether I would accept, I got to thinking about it, if it were revealed after you had raised your child for say 2 months, 2 years, 10 years even 20 that the kid was not yours, I think it would be impossible to stop loving it whosever baby it was, illegitimate or not.

I have a friend whose hubby had an affair with their 17 year old babysitter. My friend walked out of the marriage, the hubby married the girl, they have a 5 year old together but the girl walked out on the guy after he had put her through college as she found some other sucker to play house with, as this man has no one to take care of his 5 yr old, he works nites, he asked his ex, my friend. She hates the guy but gladly babysits the boy. The boy resembles her own son and she is so loving to the kid it is hard to believe it is not her own. I always feel a sense of admiration for her when I see her with that child.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#32
Brilliant analysis Jahnvi 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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amazing post.
And ur description on every character is too good.

The way i love rithvik and asha i always try to ignore mistakes of arjun and purvi bt now i simply cant deny purvi is turning more dangerous than any vamp. She is worst mother i had ever seen. Even archana, savita and sulo were much better. Archana- who is main inventor of tyag and mahaanta never tried to play swapping game..

But but but in party it was so weird people shouting and slaping her nt for her mistake of baby swaping bt for getting physical with arjun.

They were behaving like they dnt know history of arvi. As if nothing happened before arjun-ovi's marriage.

And manav's bias behaviour was too much. Today he opened his mouth when matter is out of hand. If he wanted to speak so why nt on the day when ovi gave him surprise by getting married with arjun without inviting him? Why nt on the day when ovi spoiled his annvrsary party by slaping purvi? She didnt tried to even stop ovi like its birth right of ovi to treat purvi as garbage. And he crossed all limits when he was quit when ovi asked purvi to leave home that also when she was pregnant. And it was so cheap that ovi was trying to prove purvi a thief and no strong reaction from manav? If he was standing like a statue when ovi was performing all kands so better nt to take part in discussion when its purvi's turn.

I dnt mean that he should nt react on situation bt he should atleast try to make realize ovi that it is happening coz u forced urself on arjun and selected loveless life.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Aastha,

I too cared immensely for Arjun once - how long ago that seems! So I can see where you are coming from. But as for the marriage, once Arjun went into it, he was duty bound to make it work. But he never does.

A
t least after the slapfest at the party before Purvi hotfooted it to Kolkata because this baby was on the way,while  telling all concerned that it was for Ovi's bhalayi (and this is the girl now lecturing Arjun on lying!), he could have done something. Ovi was fed up and ready to let him go. He should then have got her to agree to a  divorce, but no, he had to jump thru the new hoop that Purvi held out for her tame poodle. That is when I lost all respect for him, and now of course he is a nowhere man, crying all the time and looking like a wet rag.What a wimp!

So that is where Manav is coming from, you see. He did not ask Arjun to marry Ovi, on the contrary, he kicked him out once he declared that he loved Purvi. He even agreed to do Purvi's kanyadaan, which I would never have done in  his place with a suicidal daughter on his hands because of this very marriage. It was very impertinent and unfeeling of Purvi to have gone to his place and asked him to do it. But then she is "like that only", and only thinks of what she wants, and is always convinced of her own righteousness. That is a family trait, it seems, among the Karanjkars.

Manav
was shocked and dismayed when Arjun and Ovi turned up married. So he has every right to expect that having decided to make the Grand Sacrifice, Arjun usko nibhayega. Whence his reaction now.

Shyamala B.Cowsik
 


Originally posted by: ..aastha..

amazing post.
And ur description on every character is too good.

The way i love rithvik and asha i always try to ignore mistakes of arjun and purvi bt now i simply cant deny purvi is turning more dangerous than any vamp. She is worst mother i had ever seen. Even archana, savita and sulo were much better. Archana- who is main inventor of tyag and mahaanta never tried to play swapping game..

But but but in party it was so weird people shouting and slaping her nt for her mistake of baby swaping bt for getting physical with arjun.

They were behaving like they dnt know history of arvi. As if nothing happened before arjun-ovi's marriage.

And manav's bias behaviour was too much. Today he opened his mouth when matter is out of hand. If he wanted to speak so why nt on the day when ovi gave him surprise by getting married with arjun without inviting him? Why nt on the day when ovi spoiled his annvrsary party by slaping purvi? She didnt tried to even stop ovi like its birth right of ovi to treat purvi as garbage. And he crossed all limits when he was quit when ovi asked purvi to leave home that also when she was pregnant. And it was so cheap that ovi was trying to prove purvi a thief and no strong reaction from manav? If he was standing like a statue when ovi was performing all kands so better nt to take part in discussion when its purvi's turn.

I dnt mean that he should nt react on situation bt he should atleast try to make realize ovi that it is happening coz u forced urself on arjun and selected loveless life.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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It has been a while since I've seen a sensible analysis of scenes in the show. I might not agree with one or two points, but the forum needs more people like you. Simply because of the way you observe things. It's sad that the episodes don't have much to discuss really.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you for starting this thread, Janhvi. I have been reading all the wonderful and objective posts from all - such a nice change from the normal tone of the forum :)




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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have remarked long back splendidaura that Arjun is a chauvinist . His ideas of Pati ka Farz , forgetting first wedding anniversary , rubbing ex on wife's face and expecting her to understand and now expecting mentally stunned wife to look after his love child is nothing but crude chauvinism . Such chauvinists r controlled by women who can play the appropriate games in real life , they don't even know they r dancing like puppets but they raise their voices and hands on women who speak directly and are straightforward . When Purvi said will u do this if u love me , his chauvinism was challenged . What , she doubted his capacity to do the impossible ! Of course he could . See how well she knew how to manage him . Will be back if time permits with my views on whether a wife is bound to look after her husband's love child .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Random observations on yesterday's party and today's happenings.

Manav - His reaction during the video presentation was surprising, he actually looked proudly approving when that juice was dumped on the other little girl's head. However much of a doting dad he is, there should have been at least a moment of embarrassment. His reactions today would have been totally justifiable if he did not know the history behind his daughter's faltu marriage. He knew of Ovi's deal, why then is he so surprised that the buniyad in itself was rocky? He did not chide his daughter then nor did he come to Purvi to lend her a shoulder as she was left bereft and alone the day of Ovi's reception party. He made merry not sparing a thought to the girl who had sacrificed her happiness so that he could have his Archana back and his darling Ovi could claim possession of her Arjun. Yet, today, he cannot brook his daughter's tears. Yes, if it was only for the baby switch, he would have been well within his rights as Ovi's dad to take Onir and Purvi to task, but that was not what he was referring to, he was referring to the pregnancy when he yelled at Arjun & Purvi (not Onir and Purvi) and told them both that he could not believe that they had done this to his daughter. Really, Manav? You knew your beloved daughter had torn them asunder and you well knew the reason behind it, you did nothing then, you turned a blind eye to your darling daughter's faults. When Purvi made the sacrifice and gave up Arjun and left your Ovi smiling, you were happy to take the sacrifice, when Purvi's sacrifice upset Ovi, you could not understand how Purvi could have done this. What a hypocrite! He never understood Archana for 18 long years, and he still does not. How could he conceive in his wildest dreams that Archana could have raised a daughter who would willingly cause havoc in his Ovi's life?

Soham - was admirable as the brother who loves both sisters and is torn between them. If he could only get rid of that bee in his bonnet about Arjun being the culprit, all would be well.

Varsha - another hypocrite. Married and living with another man for decades to serve her own selfish purpose and now preaching that what Arjun and Purvi did (sleeping together before marriage?) is wrong.

Manju - adarsh daughter in law indeed! Never wastes an opportunity to rub dung in the faces of her sasuma and husband, running true to form as always.

Vinod - hen-pecked husband, falling in line with the rest of the husbands on PR.

Sulo - that slap was so out of sync! And why bring Archana and her sacrifices into it? What did it have to do with the present situation? Ah, I get it, the word sacrifice invokes her angelic daughter. Sulo has not served her daughter well and neither has she served Purvi well.

Mittal - no stone left unturned to hurl mud at others. Just you wait, Mr, Mittal, just you wait. Your time to pay is coming.

Punni - Missed the lovely Punni today, was that disgust on her face yesterday as Mittal pulled out the CD? One can hope.

Arjun - not much for him to do or say, his hands were tied and the one time he did step forward, the wind was taken out of his sails by the roar of his saas, Manav baba. Arjun looked properly distressed and helpless, poor guy. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

Purvi - well, she did better than her Mahaan Aai (not bashing Archu at all), she at least opened her mouth in self-defense, not that she was allowed to finish but she tried to explain before being cut off by the histrionics of the resident brat. Archu would have kept mum and let the gaalis rain on herself, looking teary-eyed and beautiful but not uttering a word to clear herself.

Ovi - this leopard will never change its spots. She was a friend to Purvi? Shared her deepest darkest secrets and fondest hopes with her sister? Poor girl, the number of drinks she has had must have left her brain befuddled. The gaalis hurled at her "sister", the theft accusation at the puja, the demand to have Purvi removed from the house, pregnant and all, who needs enemies when you can have a best friend like Ovi?!! And please, ever mindful of the loss she has had but which mother will look another way when her child is in distress? She has mothered Pari for two months, if she had had twins and one had perished, would she have discarded the other? How is she able to so easily dis-engage herself from Pari?

Onir - saving the best for last. He was taken to task yesterday for not coming to Purvi's aid when Mittal was bad-mouthing her, his face did harden but he was preempted by Arjun. Onir though stood beside his Mishti as the brickbats came flying, his arm solid around her, his palm tightly clutching her shoulder, a physical reminder that he was by her side, not to fear the tirades. He knew his words would be wasted on the D clan, one more useless than the other. Moreover he was guilty of all that Ovi accused him of, so he saved his breath and told the person who would listen, aaji Sulo. He did not deign to reply to Manju"s Purvi is back on the streets rant. Purvi has a world renown doc for a husband, a charming beautiful house in Kolkata, pray why would she end up on the streets? He let barking dogs bark and told Sulo that while the family sees Purvi's faults, he sees the love she has for them and goes on to say that inspite of being cast aside by her family, she will never be alone, she has him, he will stand by her side, come what may. Whatever the CVs have in store for ARVI, a re-union or not, the good doctor did himself proud today.


Jhanvi..i see the long discussions following your post are very involved and i don't have time to read though them today. I just wanted to compliment you on your excellent post and analysis. I really agree with the whole post.

Just a quick comment on 3 points.
1) Your analysis of Manav was so well said Really Jhanvi, it doesn't matter that it was Purvi - a daughter of Archana's and sort of step daughter, step sister etc. Any father OR mother who watches their daughter marry someone who has declared he doesn't love her and never will, because he loves someone else and everyone knows it to be true, MUST step in and annul that marriage. And if they DON'T, they must accept the responsibility of everything that happens from that point forward. It's only going to end up as a disaster, and if you really did love your daughter you wouldn't allow that to happen to her. A young woman who wants to marry someone who loves another person is emotionally unstable and needs help before entering into marriage. It's not so complicated.

2) This idea of rushing to judgement on everything, without ASKING the other person for their side of the story really irritates me. You can't just assume guilt without knowing both sides. Could'nt anyone stop to ask Purvi? or Arjun? But...in PR land...hhh it's different.

3) The penchant Ovi has for public display of her life is part of the problem.. But i guess that's Ekta's penchant too. 😆

It looks like a lot of the discussion has to do with the baby, but that's not your point as far as i can see. I think everyone is in agreement that the baby switch should not have happened, it was wrong, etc Ovi needed to grieve etc. All true. No one has an argument with that. But you can't get to point Z without considering and dealing with points A-Y. It just doesn't work that way

Anyway congratulations for a well thought out and well spoken post.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, I was about to turn in but had to peek in to my detriment :) I am in stitches imagining the scenes of domestic bliss that you have painted!!

Ovi accepting the baby or not makes not the slightest difference to me, it will just prove that she is not the saint that she has been painted out to be. There have been numerous posts extolling her maternal virtues of how she would be a better mother and should therefore divorce Arjun and take the baby away from him. That is not going to happen as Ovi's character will not lend itself to such altruistic love. That is all.

As to whether I would accept, I got to thinking about it, if it were revealed after you had raised your child for say 2 months, 2 years, 10 years even 20 that the kid was not yours, I think it would be impossible to stop loving it whosever baby it was, illegitimate or not.

I have a friend whose hubby had an affair with their 17 year old babysitter. My friend walked out of the marriage, the hubby married the girl, they have a 5 year old together but the girl walked out on the guy after he had put her through college as she found some other sucker to play house with, as this man has no one to take care of his 5 yr old, he works nites, he asked his ex, my friend. She hates the guy but gladly babysits the boy. The boy resembles her own son and she is so loving to the kid it is hard to believe it is not her own. I always feel a sense of admiration for her when I see her with that child.

Hi Janhavi
You know why your friend is OK with baby siting this boy? First she is out of this marriage so she is not a WIFI anymore...And she is not watching this child being married to the dude...But the operative word is she "Babysits"
She obviously have made peace with the affair her ex husband had by divorcing and dealing with it on an intellectual as well as emotional level..Not many can do it but she has and I say Kudos to her..Also she is not dealing with the boy 24/7/365 constant reminder..Makes a diff..Occasionally VS all the time 😃
Hope she is charging for babysitting this boy 😉 LOL she should charge even more than regular for it 😛
BTW fabulous posts everyone...Good reading 👏
Edited by Dabulls23 - 12 years ago
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Agreed yrr completely! What a description! 👏👏👏

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