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Shanti

@shanti05

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#41

Well Said and this part

4)What's up with the kids discussions here? Kids have access to internet more than any of us did in teh previous generation. MTV shows faar worse scenes and tht too nt between a couple in love! Every body has a diff parenting style. You let your children watch TV at this hour and then don't complain about the natural progression in a couple's life. Since there is a other crowd that would argue why children shouldn't be allowed TV post 8 or 9 pm.. And u know they are also part of moral policing!

I second you... And talk about socail networking sites like FaceBook or twitter and all those others whom they have access to and who knows what pictures get messaged between them to look at or put on their walls, how much is it monitored at places home library or internet hubs.

Content the way it is flushed in to these kids is too much . ..and here the time line of the show as it was 10:30 slot and the fag end the scene was shown and as it did pass 11:00 pm as the show got extended in the show which was progressive way of a couple moving ahead.

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#42

Fosla...I am flabbergasted to say the least...If I don't agree with you or beg to differ on a POV I become an hypocrite...so to you anyone who said anything shown on national TV on consummation are 'hypocrites, out of their mind can't take a good thing'...seriously...I think living in the world one is entitled to their individual opinion and if some people find something offensive, just because you don't there are 'jealous'..they are 'complaining but watching them nevertheless'...seriously...I don't know how to response when this is the attitude I encounter in the forum...maybe in the name of entertainment you propose that serial should show more of such scenes...we as adult are entitled to our opinion and no one can dictate what one should or shouldn't like...god you put in a post for this...I can't believe this...please don't criticize someone if they don't agree with you...I don't think the debate is whether people like Saas bahu sagas...but was 'how much is too much when we say no' (and where I live and work, such questions are on-going constantly...I am sure you know about the debates that goes on sex education in the public school there ... in the west such debates are ongoing, public attitude is that constant debating only makes it better, they just don't walk away saying it is a done thing...)...I understand that you live in the West and think it is Ok with such things shown openly...I live in the west too...if I say I don't like it...does it mean I am an hypocrite...you use too strong words...as I say I am astonished and disappointed to say the least...

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: malinn
Such strong words and so much vehemence... To prove your own point or to simply defend your own favourite serial... 😊
While a lot of what has been written by the various contributors to this topic is arguably correct... There is one very valid point being missed here...

Every perception and attitude is based on a value system unique to a specific people/region/country... So, we can't always compare the western world with India...same as we can't compare the value system in say Afghanistan to India... Each has a set of what is acceptable / not acceptable... And each would be correct in their own way based on their own beliefs and culture...

In India, TV is a very family issue where everyone sits together and watches it... grandparents/parents/kids...we also keep it switched on when guests/neighbours come over... The concept of TV time...go to bed at 9-10 pm... adult viewing time of 10pm...is more of a western concept and not possible in all households due to space/cost constraints... The concept of personal TV's / bedrooms is not in every middle-class household...We don't take our kids/parents to watch adult movies, so why watch it at home with them?????

What kids see on the internet and books and when parents are not there...is part of growing... and part of normal life... That does not mean that parents sit with them and watch any of it... So we know that kids might watch inappropriate stuff when we are not around - But parents don't allow them to watch it in front of them... Parents don't allow such books in their homes... Parents still keep an eye on what their kids are doing...

In the end...it is my understanding that TRP's will fall since most parents will prefer not to watch such programs... as against watch it with/around kids...

This is not an issue of moral policing... this is a very practical and real issue faced by parents/families... Being modern and broad-minded is different from being discretionary...

We all know what happens in a bed room and behind closed doors... we also know that most kids know it... However, to show it on TV... May not be accpetable to many and I think we must respect their argument... There have been many a time recently when I have had to shut off the TV or switch channels since the language was too crude or the songs too uhh...including the film awards etc...

There will always be those who will accept the change as part of life and embrace it by allowing / viewing the movies/songs and even letting their kids gyrate to the raunchy numbers - all with a fond KYA KARE, AAJ KAL KE BACCHE statement... And there will always be those who will switch channels and avoid watching totally and grumble and groan...There is no hypocracy in defending your own beliefs...where your kids well-being is concerned...

In this whole serial...this love-scene seems to be the only thing CLOSE TO REALITY that they have decided to show... rest all is ...

Loved your post..aptly said...I am so hurt to see Indian living abroad telling India to grow up...India has a 3000 yrs old history...and has done fine with all its merits and demerits...it is unrealistic attitude to impose an Western attitude to the East, just because one thinks so...I am actually hurt more by this post then anything...truly hurt...people need to be sensitive when writing such strong word as is written by the topic opener...

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jayashs

@jayashs

Navigator

Posted: 13 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: reeha...k

Totally Agree guys!! Girls should feel that they are a part of the whole phenomenon and just not a provider to the phenomenon. This was very well portrayed in yesterday's episode!

All said and done, girls even from the tender age of early teens if not earlier, should understand the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD TOUCH AND BAD TOUCH, to protect themselves. I really think at the ages of 19+ we all are well aware of what to expect and atleast very well know what married couples do inside their bedrooms. Take this as a mere expression of love and nothing else. If you are in love with a person, automatically this becomes a part of the whole package. So, view it as love and not lust!

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180506

Hibernated

Posted: 13 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: Kalapi
Loved your post..aptly said...I am so hurt to see Indian living abroad telling India to grow up...India has a 3000 yrs old history...and has done fine with all its merits and demerits...it is unrealistic attitude to impose an Western attitude to the East, just because one thinks so...I am actually hurt more by this post then anything...truly hurt...people need to be sensitive when writing such strong word as is written by the topic opener...

This sensitivity you speak of goes BOTH ways. Be carefull; words like that are a double edged sword.

Just imagin what lead to this post being created to begin with?

Look around; so many narrow minded individuals were taking personal jabs at the Actors, producers and Creatives- some of the terms that came out of their mouths were not "sensitive" at all.

If one simply disagrees they say, "I don't think the scene was appropriate" That's it. It ends there: BUT if you look around the forum there were plenty of not so nice remarks HENCE why this post was created.

India has a 3000 year old history, but do you realize that India is not immune to sexualization? Infact, westeners have taken tips from India itself: The Karma Sutra comes to mind.

It isn't to "impose a Western Attitutde"...it's about bringing down social walls. Social walls include a lot: women fighting for the vote, ethnicities fighting assimilation. Change happens.

India has "done fine with all its merits and demerits" Yes it has, but have you paused and thought that in 3 milieniums there have been ENDLESS amounts of changes? The west influences the east, that is a fact- but one can't pick and choose what influences they want. I'll take the iphone, but leave the peck on the lips?
Think about that. This isn't a Mcdonalds where you customize your order (That's from the west as well, correct?) The Term you should look at is GLOBABLIZATION. It's happening. That's why there is this forum- the interconnectedness; regarldess of how isolated and special we like to think our culture and roots are the fact is, more people are being Tolerent, accepted and understanding. There is nothing wrong with that.

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musiquelover

@Musiquelover

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#46

hey hey hey ...come on whats happening here my dear friends... i am wondering is it our forum which we use to enjoy ...and write hot hot FFs in the imagination of RAYA...come on...

school students read biology ...from their 8 th standard they have x chromosomes and y chromosomes...then slowly they entire menstrual cycle reproduction and so on ...thats subject ...and something on this terms is shown without showing skin or any indecent stuff... it has become vulgar...if we can watch movies showing exposed heroines ...we love to watch them with kids ..that doesnt show indecency... but on television soap it they show intimacy ...is that a crime...

adolescent age passes every one of our lives... we fantasize many things and we even have crushes...we read new s papers so many pics and we read in depth ...too... if thats not wrong ..y is this wrong...

these days children are going to internet cafes and watch po*n stuff... we are restricting and magnifying the concept of s__ in such a way that they are tending to know more about it and learn about it by watch such sites...but if they get to c decent scenes y not let them watch...ok we are posting so many views here ...what if children or teen agers who are watching this serial watch it in internet or mobile ...can we stop them?????

Art needs to be taken as an art...acting dancing singing writing poem, painting etc.. involves self involvement in that character as if we are the one who is performing the act in our imaginations then only we can bring the liveliness to the situation of the performance and thats what an actor has to do ...and they did ...

lets take AIDS awareness campaign...dont they discuss reproduction related stuff...if u can consider that as an education ... y can t this as an entertainment...

by looking at those scenes are we really going to do it with anybody in our lives with the crave or the lure that scene creates in us...

request every body humbly and with folded hands ...that pls take art as an art and not as an barrier...of the dignity of life ...

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180506

Hibernated

Posted: 13 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: zskrao

You applaud Chikni chameli's and Munni badnaam hui!and expect the same standard from others.

Sakshi?? She has tarnished all her well kept image of all these years suddenly looked desperate. She has become the butt of many crude jokes now.
All those criticizing the critics should read all the crude jokes around on net. Felt sad for Sakshi and felt bad for supporting her all these years.

Desperate? How. She is portraying a charecter: this isnt a live reality TV show. And if you feel Priya has tarnished her reputation- she is a married charecter consumating her marriage with her husband. Also, nothing taboo.

Those who are making the crude jokes need a reality check and some humble pie.

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fosla

@fosla

Sparkler

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: reeha...k

Desperate? How. She is portraying a charecter: this isnt a live reality TV show. And if you feel Priya has tarnished her reputation- she is a married charecter consumating her marriage with her husband. Also, nothing taboo.

Those who are making the crude jokes need a reality check and some humble pie.

Zskrao

Is it wrong for Sakshi to try portraying a character? She is in a fictional show and consummating her marriage after they confess their love. She hasn't done anything that needs to get her embarassed.

Those crude jokes made show the mindset of the people not the actor!! It's sad how people malign the actors and show by looking at such aspects instead of the whole picture!

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fosla

@fosla

Sparkler

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#49

We all know what happens in a bed room and behind closed doors... we also know that most kids know it... However, to show it on TV... May not be accpetable to many and I think we must respect their argument... There have been many a time recently when I have had to shut off the TV or switch channels since the language was too crude or the songs too uhh...including the film awards etc...

There will always be those who will accept the change as part of life and embrace it by allowing / viewing the movies/songs and even letting their kids gyrate to the raunchy numbers - all with a fond KYA KARE, AAJ KAL KE BACCHE statement... And there will always be those who will switch channels and avoid watching totally and grumble and groan...There is no hypocracy in defending your own beliefs...where your kids well-being is concerned...

In this whole serial...this love-scene seems to be the only thing CLOSE TO REALITY that they have decided to show... rest all is ...

Kalapi

So do Indians living abroad needn't have a say on Indian television now? Iam sad that you are not sensitive enough to handle the nature of the post but readily point a finger at the topic opener claiming their living in a foreign land.

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Inaya Haya

@lilmzsunshine

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#50

Someone mentioned Saakshi's acting desperate, and that folks at this point are either embarrased or sad to have supported her when she's the butt of all crude jokes ...

All I have to say is - Is it professional for Priyanka Chopra, Karisma Kapoor, Kareena Kapoor, Anushka Sharma, and many more, to kiss in the movies? Is it professional for them to do provocative scenes there? Then why is it desperate to do them here? These are all actors, playing out a role. Moreover, the ones in tellywood aspire to make it big in bollywood some day. So if they do provocative scenes here, why is it considered wrong, but professional if it's there? Shouldn't the standard by the same?

As for supporting her - isn't the whole point of supporting someone that you're there for them in their time of need? Assuming she even FEELS she needs us - shouldn't her fans be there for her now then?

I didn't know Saakshi existed till I saw this show. And in the beginning I didn't understand what the hype was about. For that matter, I didn't know Ram Kapoor existed either.

Then I watched the show and as it has progressed, I give kudos to ekta for picking them. Specially the yelling pre-consummation that Saakshi did - NO ONE I know in tellywood could have done a better job.

Similarly, Ram's expressions through out the consummation epi were amazing. They conveyed SOOO many emotions, I don't know who else could've done a better job.

Whether it was classy or cheap - to each their own. But to find fault in an actor for doing this? 😕. It's their job dude.

-S