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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: ~~ashi~~

^ Hes known as Dharamraj for a reason 😊

BRC did very little justice to his character in MB. I see fans of Arjuna , Bheema , Karna and even Duryodhan . Surprisingly , not many are fond of Yudhishtir . Hes one of the most underrated characters (IMO).

True, perhaps the wisest man in the epic after Krishna. (If you're wiling to ignore his fetish for gambling !)





Completely Agree with Ashi. BRC should have presented the character in a different way, so as to create interest in the minds of the viewers. Even after watching Mahabharat many times, I have never felt any special respect for the Wonderful character...It is only by reading posts on Yudhisthir and participating in discussions (in Orkut 'Mahabharat- The Serial' Community) I came to know the True Worth of this character in the epic. We need to go deep into the dialogues/particular situations to understand and appreciate the Values represented by Yudhisthir.
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Posted: 13 years ago
^ Agree with you. I too never felt any sort of respect or sympathy for him. A bit because of the way he was portrayed and a bit because of the actor who played Yudhistir .(Gajendra Chauhan) He was perhaps the only 'bad' actor and did little justice to the already 'weak' (ly portrayed) character.

It was after I read about him here and there that I understood what a great soul he was !


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Posted: 13 years ago
Agree with all of you. Gajendra Chauhan was okay as Yudhisthir, but Yudhisthir was always one of my fav characters in the Mahabharat epic since I was young that I was disappointed at the way he was portrayed in the serial. BRC made him seem weaker than people already think of him.
 
He is understood very less by many people. I cannot understand how some are fans of Duryodhan over Yudhisthir, lol, but I guess that's just me.
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Posted: 13 years ago
I too agree with all of you, and I put the blame solely on Gajendra Chauhan's monotonous dialogue delivery... always sounded like a kindergartener giving a speech to the parents on Annual day πŸ€” On that note, here's a wonderful translation of a speech given by my current fav Hindi author Narendra Kohli on the dhyut krida that does a much better job at explaining the character and his noble way of thinking:
http://www.narendrakohli.org/The_Dice_Match.html

In case it doesn't open:

Presented at the International Seminar on Mahabharat organized by Sahitya Academy, Delhi, India: April 2004

The Dice Match

-Narendra Kohli
When DharmaRaj Yudhishthir had Maya danav build his assembly, he conducted the Rajsooya Yagya and for the benefit of humankind, gathered scholars and distributed the riches collected from various kings amongst scholars, Brahmans, intellectuals and the needy. As a reaction to this, the Toransphatic assembly hall that Duryodhan constructed, I think, was something like a modern casino, where gambling was the only form of entertainment. There could have been no spiritual discussions, no worship or praying, no yagya-havan, no deliberation, and no exchange of higher thoughts and beliefs here. The only sport that could take place was gambling. Certainly, many famous and dissolute gamblers would have come to participate. The kshatriya society depicted in Mahabharat is in general fond of gambling. Thus as evidence of his distinction, Duryodhan had the Toransphatic hall built for the purposes of gaming. Yudhishthir was not only an emperor and leader amongst kings; he was also the eldest amongst the children of Pandu and Dhritarashtra. Therefore, seeing him gamble, the general impression is that he too must have been an addict of gambling. At Abhimanyu's wedding in the city of Upaplavya, Balram accuses him of the same and holds him responsible for his losses.
Before coming to Hastinapur, there has been extensive discussions between Vidur and Yudhishthir in Indraprastha, where Yudhishthir has opposed gambling in the strongest terms. After reaching Hastinapur, an entire chapter is dedicated to Yudhishthir's argument with Shakuni, where Shakuni defends gambling and Yudhisthir opposes it.
1.      "Gambling causes quarrels and brawls. No intelligent person would like to gamble…"[2]
2.      "I have no desire to gamble."[3]
3.      "Gambling is a form of deception and a cause for sin. One can neither demonstrate valiance suitable to a kshatriya, nor are there any set rules for it."[4]
 
No addict criticizes his addiction. According to Mahabharat, Yudhishthir had not the slightest knowledge of gambling. He has never been shown gambling prior to Hastinapur's gaming hall either. After losing everything, as they are leaving for the forest, the Pandavas are worried about Dhritarashtra calling them back and asking them to play again. If that happens, they may win Pandava's weapons as well. That will leave the Pandavas defenseless and helpless. This is why Yudhishthir learns gambling and acquires equestrian knowledge from Muni Brihadshva the first opportunity he gets on the way to the forest. Only after learning how to gamble is he able to live undetected as Kank in Virat's court as his attendant.
 
It is very hard for me to accept that some one who doesn't know how to gamble could be addicted to it. But still, we see that not only does he gamble at this assembly, he gambles till the end; and gets up only after losing everything. There has to be an explanation for this behavior of his.
 
One particular utterance of Yudhishthir is quoted over and over in many discussions. Where he says, it is wrong to gamble, it causes complete destruction, but if he were invited, he would not refuse. Many people have accepted in their commentaries on this quotation that it was Yudhishthir's duty (dharma) as a kshatriya. As a kshatriya never refuses a challenge in battle and gambling. But we must pay attention to the fact that Yudhishthir has never expressed his kshatriya duty (dharma) or pride. His concern wasn't kshatriya dharma, but just dharma. As far as battle for kshatriyas is concerned, at one point during the battle of Mahabharat, Yudhishthir has been depicted deserting in defeat. This is why Yudhishthir criticizes this addiction of kshatriyas. Here, the word used in the context of an invitation for gambling is 'aahuut'  which should be interpreted not as a challenge but as a call by Dhritarashtra. Dharmaraj (Yudhishthir) and his brothers are the sort of people who are willing endure the biggest tests in order to prove their smallest obligation to dharma.  Thus Yudhishthir sits down to gamble in accordance with respect for Dhritarashtra's invitation despite being fully opposed to it in his heart.
 
In Mahabharat, the word 'uncle' has been used nowhere for Dhritarashtra in Pandava's context. He has been called pita (father) in the original verses. Although pita means 'care-taker' and there is no doubt that in Pandu's absence, it was Dhritarashtra who was as a father to the Pandavas, but while leaving for Varnavat, it was said about the Pandavas: sarvaa maatristatha aprichhya kritva chaiv pradakshinat.[5] Here, taking permission of the mothers is mentioned. We know that besides Kunti, Pandu had only one other wife – Maadri. She had already passed away. Still the word 'mothers' is used in plural. The word refers to Gandhari and Vidur's wife. This means that they considered their father's brothers and their father at the same level, equivalent and substitutable. And accepted their aunts as their mothers. This wasn't just for the sake of addressing. Even in behavior, they accepted these relations. In such a condition, for Yudhishthir, every instruction of Dhritarashtra's was an instruction from his father.
 
Swami Vivekanand once said that there are many forms of dharma and it manifests itself in different forms in different people. Some one's dharma may be in truth, another's in actions (karma), another's in obedience, in service, in keeping their word etc.  Yudhishthir's was in his truth, and in fulfilling the wishes of elders. Therefore, knowing that Dhritrashtra could rob him of his life, or knowing that Dhritarashtra wants Duryodhan to be the ruler of Hastinapur – even if that requires killing the Pandavas, Yudhishthir does not disobey any of Dhritarashtra's commands. He follows his father's commands with the same sincerity as Ram follows Dasharath's. From the perspective of a common man, this may be Yudhishthir's stupidity, but Yudhishthir's character has not been constructed from a common man's perspective. He is dharma raj. He will follow his dharma not just by sacrificing his wealth, but his life if he has to. While he may be able to engage in debate with Dhritarashtra, he cannot refuse to follow his command. Yudhishthir seems bound by this commitment to his dharma during the betting that took place in the gaming hall. He is constantly opposing gambling, but never refuses to play. As that was Dhritarashtra's command.
 
The opposition between spirituality and this world is apparent. A man of worldly success may spiritually prove to be a being of the lowest grade. And a spiritually developed advanced soul appears stupid from a materialistic perspective. Yudhishthir's character too is an extremely spiritually developed and is continuously growing. His ideals are not worldly, but spiritual. 
After Vidur warns him in Indraprastha, he says in clear words, "On command of King Dhritarashtra, I certainly wish to partake in the games. A father is always dear to a son."[6] After arriving in front of Dhritarashtra, he again says, "Sire! You are our lord. Command us what we should do. Bhaarat! We always wish to remain under your direction."[7] He is willing to handover the entire kingdom to Dhritarashtra even after winning the war of Mahabharat, because father is the lord, and a son is under his command.
The reader takes a sigh of relief when Yudhishthir regains his wealth and rule as a boon from Dhritarashtra after having lost everything once, and Draupadi has been fully humiliated. But Yudhishthir is called back again, and again he sits down to gamble. Every ordinary reader wonders why this madness?  The reason for him to gamble a second time is the same as what it originally was – his father's and king's command:
  1. "Jewel amongst Bharat's descendents and son of Pandu Yudhishthir! Your father King Dhritarashtra has instructed you to return. Our assembly is once again complete with its members and is waiting for you. You shall throw the dice and gamble."[8]
  2. Yudhishthir Said, "All creatures attain auspicious and inauspicious results by the inspiration of God. No one can evade them. It appears I will have to gamble again. This invitation to gamble by the command of Old King Dhritarashtra is the cause of our family's destruction. Even as I know this, I cannot disobey his order."[9]
  3. "… While listening to people say all sorts of things, King Yudhishthir due to fear of shame and with the perspective of his dharma in following Dhritarashtra's command started to gamble once again."[10]
By gambling, he obeyed his father's command. Why was it then necessary to play till the end and get up only after total destruction? He could have gotten up at any time. When searching for the answer to this question, Vidur's behavior comes to my attention. He was the biggest benefactor of the Pandavas. He opposes gambling vigorously. He appeals to Dhritarashtra repeatedly to stop the game, but not once does he say to Yudhishthir, "that is enough. Son! Leave the game and get up."
What does this mean? Clearly, the game has been started by the king's command, and only by his command can it be paused or ended. Without his permission Yudhishthir cannot leave the game, and as he plays, he must wager something. During this process it appears that this gambling continues to the end like a duel. A duel ends with the death of one of the fighters. Similarly this gambling can end only after one side has lost every thing. The compulsion that's making Yudhishthir play is clear. Therefore while he still has any wealth of any kind, he cannot leave the game. Perhaps this is why he is in a hurry of sorts to lose every thing as quickly as he can, given he can't win. May the gambling end so he may get up.
Knowingly, he loses everything and stops. He has already lost his brothers and his own self. As he loses himself, Shakuni says to Yudhishthir, "Sire! To wager yourself and to lose is an act of extreme impiety (adharma). It's a great sin to wager yourself while you still possess wealth. Sire! Your dearest Draupadi is such a hand that you have not yet lost. Thus wager Krishna and by her, win yourself back."[11] This means that even if a gambler wishes to save some of his money, he can't. This is improper. Considering this fact, one can begin to understand Yudhishthir's situation and the rules of dharma and propriety that bind him. He came to Hastinapur with goodwill and love in his heart. He wanted to remove the disharmony between the Pandavas and Kauravas. He remembered Vyas' warning and it wasn't uncommon for violence to erupt due to disagreements during gambling. Rukmi's killing at the hands of Shri Krishna's elder brother Balram is an example of just that. Yudhishthir would not have wanted to give Duryodhan and his friends the opportunity to start trouble by accusing the Pandavas of not following gambling's decorum. Not only would that lead to the end of any goodwill and love that he came looking for, but would also become a reason for the destruction of the kshatriyas, and the calamity that Vyas had expressed a concern for in thirteen years, would present itself right then and there.
It is worth noting that dharma raj Yudhishthir is following his dharma even while gambling, while vulpine and deceiving Shakuni is accusing him of being improper. As a response to this Yudhishthir immediately wagered Draupadi and by losing, while protectinghis dharma he earned that disgrace that the society has still not been able to forgive.
Every act of dharma raj Yudhishthir is for the protection of dharma. If he did not partake in the game, that would have been disobeying his father's command, which is wrong. He could not have disregarded the invitation as that would be disregarding his father. That would have been violation of his father's command. He could see that Duryodhan, Dhritarashtra and Shakuni had trapped him in the web of his own dharma and having surrounded him from all sides, were hunting him. He still did not even think about violating his dharma, break the peace and gain his freedom or protect his wealth and kingdom by physical strength.
As soon as he loses the first hand, Yudhishthir says to Shakuni, "Shakuni! Shakuni!! You defeated me in this hand by cheating."[12] It has not been explained though how Shakuni cheated. There are a number of things of this sort that have not been clarified in Mahabharat. I think if we analyze those circumstances, we can draw a few conclusions. If Yudhishthir had played against Duryodhan, it is possible that Yudhishthir – who does not know the game, may not have been slaughtered as badly as he was playing against Shakuni. Throughout this game Yudhishthir never got the dice. From the beginning till the end it is Shakuni who kept throwing the dice and kept winning Yudhishthir's money. Why did Shakuni play on Duryodhan's behalf, and why wasn't a skilled gambler used on Yudhishthir's side is not explained in Mahabharat. Yudhishthir doesn't even object on this matter. Possibly there was a tradition at the time – just as a general conducts wars on the king's behalf, perhaps a skilled gambler always played for the king. But Yudhishthir didn't bring a skilled player with him because he didn't go there to gamble. He had come to participate in a family event or gathering on his father's invitation; and was coerced into playing. Perhaps he didn't realize at the time that Dhritarashtra would not order the game to end at all.
Before each hand Yudhishthir says that this wealth is mine, and I wager it as I play with you. This is not a trivial statement. This means that a gambler may wager only his money. Neither may he bet some one else's property, nor can he withdraw from the game while he still has any wealth remaining. On one hand Yudhishthir takes almost an oath before each hand declaring his wager, on the other, Shakuni is not playing with his own money, and even Duryodhan doesn't clarify what his wager is. When Yudhishthir asks, "In return to this, what money do you wager by which you play against me?"[13] Duryodhan replies, "I have many gold coins and a lot of wealth too. I am not arrogant about my riches. First you win this hand."[14] Clearly, neither do Shakuni and Duryodhan play by the rules, nor is there any clarity anywhere in their wagering. There is a curtain of deceit on everything they do. There is enough room for them to prevent any serious harm to them, in case the game doesn't go their way for any reason. They were cleverly robbing Yudhishthir, and Yudhishthir was following his dharma.
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If a gambler must wager only his wealth, then one has to consider what is the definition of wealth? If we draw conclusions just from Yudhishthir's statements, then the land of the kingdom, its treasury, its subjects, armies, even the ornaments on the bodies of the other Pandavas – all come under the king's wealth - Yudhishthir's wealth. The only exception to this is the land granted to the Brahmans as a source of their income.  Even amongst the subjects, Brahmans are not considered wealth of the king. It appears that only the intellectuals – academia, students and scholars and their wealth are not the king's wealth. They are independent. On the other hand, the head of a household is the lord of his household. Therefore his wife, children, younger brothers and their wives are also his wealth.
This is why a person as short tempered and noncompliant as Bheem sees and understands everything, but does not oppose Yudhishthir because rightfully he is Yudhishthir's wealth. If he objects, he does not follow his dharma. In this entire episode, while Yudhishthir has followed his dharma, the rest of the Pandavas and Draupadi have not once sacrificed their own dharma while disagreeing with Yudhishthir's policy.
Even when Duhshaasan drags a menstruating Draupadi into the assembly by her hair, wrapped in nothing but one cloth, she never challenges Yudhishthir's right to wager her during the game. At most she asked if Yudhishthir wagered her first, or did he lose himself before hand. She analyzes dharma within the confines of the socially accepted propriety while remaining within the bounds of social morals herself. If Yudhishthir lost himself first, then he had become a slave of Duryodhan. In such a circumstance, a slave has no authority over a Queen, princess or a free woman. If Yudhishthir had already lost himself, then it was not right to wager Draupadi. Shakuni did say that it was wrong of Yudhishthir to lose himself while he had wealth remaining, but he did not say that Yudhishthir couldn't bet Draupadi any more. Instead he enticed Yudhishthir to wager Draupadi on the next hand and resolve himself of his impropriety.
Bheeshma's dilemma too was based on the same question. Just as Draupadi does not challenge Yudhishthir's right to bet Draupadi on a hand, Bheeshma too does not consider a wife outside of her husband's lordship. Thus, when Yudhishthir had the right to wager his brothers because they were his wealth, he also had the compulsion to wager Draupadi, because she too was his wealth. But at the time when Yudhishthir wagered Draupadi, he wasn't a free man himself. When Draupadi asks Bheeshma what is dharma, he is unable to answer clearly. He says the nature of dharma is extremely fine. Amongst the Pandavas' reaction, the most aggravated is Bheem's. He says, "Brother Yudhishthir, women in gamblers' houses are generally indecent, but even they don't wager them during gambling. They have pity in their hearts even for those unchaste women. Our enemies have made us bet, and have taken from us all the wealth and exceptional beverages that King of Kashi gave to us as a gift, jewels that other kings had presented to us, our vehicles, luxuries, shields, means of war, kingdom, your body and all of us brothers. But this is not what makes me angry, as you are the lord of everything of ours. But wagering Draupadi, this I consider extremely inappropriate. That innocent and nave lady did not deserve to be insulted in this manner, being married to the Pandavas. But because of you thse lowly monstrous Kauravas with no ability to control their passions are causing her all sorts of pain. Sire! I direct my rage upon you for her poor condition. I will burn both your arms. Sahdev! Get fire."[15] Bheem may have expressed all his anger against Yudhishthir, but he never said Yudhishthir did not have the right to bet Draupadi. He does say that Draupadi should not have been wagered, as he is unable to bare the grief Kauravas have inflicted upon her, but there is no challenge to Yudhishthir's authority anywhere.
In this manner this entire episode has been presented as a question of dharma.  This dharma is based on the practices and authority accepted by the society. As a part of this dharma, the question of the duty of all the brave men gathered to protect a woman being publicly humiliated has not been raised anywhere. As opposed to this, when Jayadrath abducts Draupadi in the forests, not only do the Pandavas fight him, but after making him suffer in all ways they let him live only because he is married to their sister Duhshalaa. In this dharma, the entire discussion, analysis and activities are focused on the issues of authority and property. As his wife, if Draupadi is Yudhishthir's wealth, and if Yudhishthir can't withdraw from the game while wealth remains, then Yudhishthir was required to wager his wife as wealth. Similarly it was improper to not accept Duryodhan's right on lost wealth. This is why the Pandavas do not raise their weapons to defend their wife or their own dignity despite having the will and the capability to do so.
In the age that regarded the rules established by the society as the social dharma, Shri Krishna seems to be the only exception. He doesn't care if Yudhishthir wagered himself first or Draupadi. What he cares about is that Draupadi was publicly humiliated. Perhaps this was the point of view that developed into a society that no longer considered the wife, children and younger brothers and sisters as property of their husband, father or elder brother. No person was the property or wealth of another person. Subsequently, slavery too was abolished and now that we live in a world where we have no right to torment even our animals, how can one person be considered the property of another.
In this context, another interesting question that comes up, is that for whatever reasons, without having forfeited Draupadi, the last hand has now been played as Yudhishthir wagered himself and lost thus becoming unqualified to continue gambling, what would have happened if he had refused to wager Draupadi? Even if Yudhishthir had not wagered Draupadi after losing his own self, as property of a slave, Draupadi would still have been considered a slave of Duryodhan. Potentially, the reason Yudhishthir did wager Draupadi even after losing himself was because he could not have protected her despite not having lost her. But while a slave himself, as he wagers Draupadi, a new circumstance is created. The basis for Draupadi's dharma related arguments in the end appear to have been deliberately presented by Yudhishthir. The question is, when Yudhishthir had already lost himself, and Draupadi was still left, where was the need to wager her? He could have argued that a slave does not have the right to wager a free citizen. But he still wagered her. Why?
If Draupadi had not been wagered, Duryodhan would have argued that a slave's wealth is the master's wealth, thus even without being explicitly wagered, Draupadi is his property. All other wives of the Pandavas and their children could have been considered Duryodhan's property by this logic. Despite being the wealth of a slave if Draupadi is wagered – and this proposal came from Shakuni in the haste to win Draupadi – clearly means that Duryodhan has no authority over other wives and children of the Pandavas. They were not wagered and lost. By wagering Draupadi after losing himself, Yudhishthir secures Pandavas' other wives and children. And this gamble of his becomes Draupadi's shield as well. Had she not been wagered, she would have been considered Duryodhan's property regardless. The explicit wagering now provides her with the argument that she could not be considered Duryodhan's wealth until she was wagered and lost. As Yudhishthir had already lost himself, he had no right to wager her. Not just Draupadi, but all Pandavas won their freedom back on the basis of this logic. The act of wagering the remaining wealth – Draupadi – was a strategic move by Yudhishthir within the rules of the game, which protected Draupadi and the Pandavas. In that whole game this was the only hand that Yudhishthir won against Shakuni. Otherwise he had lost the whole game.
Draupadi did not win this debate just on the basis of her logic. It was not possible to win any argument by logic in Dhritarashtra's assembly, in the presence of Duryodhan's goons and friends. In this, Shri Krishna's demonstration of power is extremely clear. Shri Krishna doesn't consider the contemporary social beliefs to be the extent of dharma. He goes to the humanity of dharma and periodicity has no relevance for him. Time and place do not pose any boundaries for him. In Draupadi's case too Duryodhan had already neutralized her arguments with his brute force. All appeals made to the elders of the family for justice and dharma too had been fruitless. A family-senior like Bheeshma was entangled with the applicability and symptomatic subtleties of dharma. That is when Draupadi while reminding everyone of her importance issues almost a warning - there may be trouble in the future if she is not treated justly. She is not just a commoner who they could treat unfairly and go unpunished. As evidence to her importance she declared she is Drupad's daughter, Dhrishtdyumna's sister, Pandu's daughter-in-law, Pandavas's wife and Shri Krishna's friend. No word or name uttered by her had an impact on Duhshaasan while he was pulling away her clothes; but as soon as Shri Krishna's name came up, his hands went numb. His energy vanished. His head started to spin, and inanimate, he fell to the ground.  This is what I consider Shri Krishna's demonstration of power. Duhshaasan had witnessed the killing of Shishupal by Shri Krishna's Sudarshan chakra at Indraprastha's assembly in the presence of many kings. Forget revenge or punishment - no one even objected to Shri Krishna's act. Duhshaasn saw that same Sudarshan chakra lurking in his own assembly. When Draupadi mentioned that she is a friend of Shri Krishna, Duhshaasan realized that though they could protect themselves from the Pandavas under the cover of dharma's apparatus, social traditions and the decorum of gambling after inflicting all sorts of suffering on them, but no one can save them from Shri Krishna. His hands shuddered and his head spun as he saw his end right in front of him. Another thing about Shri Krishna is emphasized right here – he cannot tolerate any insult to women under any circumstances. His Sudarshan chakra became active at Pandava's assembly when Shishupal started to prate about Rukmini, and in Kaurava's own assembly too, it presented itself when Draupadi was being humiliated.
- Narendra Kohli, 175 Vaishali, Pitampura, Delhi 110088.


[1] According to the Mahabharat, name of the building where the gambling occurred.
[2] 10/58, Sabha Parva
[3] 16/58, Sabha Parva
[4] 5/59, Sabha Parva
[5] 4/144, Aadi Parva
[6] 15/58, Sabha Parva
[7] 1/76, Sabha Parva
[8] 2/76, Sabha Parva
[9] 3-4/76, Sabha Parva
[10] 18/76, Sabha Parva
[11] 30-32/65, Sabha Parva
[12] 1/61, Sabha Parva
[13] etad rajan mama dhanam pratipanoasti kastava.
Yepa mam tvam maharaja dhanena pratidivyaye.. 7/60, Sabha Parva
[14] Santi me manayashchaiva dhanani subahuni cha.
Matsarashcha n me artheshu jayasvainam durodaram.. 8/60, Sabha Parva
[15] 1-6/68, Sabha Parva

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thnks alot Lola fr sharing this article wid us.... yeah i too agree wid u its bcoz of his dialogue delivery ...
 
actually u know wat BRC Mahabharat was the 1st ever series of this huge epic n all those who watched it viewed the actor as d real characters ,... n dis is the reason why dere r fans of Duryodhan n even Shakuni ...lolzzz...
 
aaj bhi if any production house attempts to make Mahabharat .... we compare it wid wat BRC made 20 yrs back ... the actors of BRC actors had set a standard n we look upto them wen we hav to say anything abt Mahabharat rather thinking abt wat these characters actually were...
 
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Heya guyz as this cc is a bit inactive I hv an idea 2make it a bit lively . . I dnt knw hw many of u r following mahabharat on star utsav dese days. .bt jitne bi log dekh rahe hai wo sb evry day thoda thoda discussion kr skte hai . . Wat say?!? N 4those who dnt knw star utsav pe 5pm aati hai mahabharat. . . Aj kal yudh ki tyari chal rahi hai so tht means Geeta updesh aane wala hai so we can discus it evryday
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Great idea Deeps, I'm in!!! Since I'm not in India I have it coming on Star One and we're many epis behind, but I've got the full set anyway so when you guys mention the epi I'll just jump in. Or should we have some broad topics like the DOTWs we're doing at our other CC?

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Originally posted by: lola610

Great idea Deeps, I'm in!!! Since I'm not in India I have it coming on Star One and we're many epis behind, but I've got the full set anyway so when you guys mention the epi I'll just jump in. Or should we have some broad topics like the DOTWs we're doing at our other CC?

haan???? u aint in India ... lo batao mujhe toh abhi tak yahi lagta tha that only Lalitha di hain jo US me rehti hai ....
in vich part of the world r u????? πŸ˜‰πŸ˜†
i need to interview each n every member now to knw them more.... πŸ˜‰πŸ˜›
 
yaar jaise marzi karlo ...btw Star one u guyz r on vich epi. ?? last friday i saw d epi in vich Shikhandi explains his story to Drshtdyumana .....
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Originally posted by: Dpka1415

haan???? u aint in India ... lo batao mujhe toh abhi tak yahi lagta tha that only Lalitha di hain jo US me rehti hai ....
in vich part of the world r u????? πŸ˜‰πŸ˜†
i need to interview each n every member now to knw them more.... πŸ˜‰πŸ˜›
 
yaar jaise marzi karlo ...btw Star one u guyz r on vich epi. ?? last friday i saw d epi in vich Shikhandi explains his story to Drshtdyumana .....



Lolz main bhi US ki hoon, shame on you tujhe to apata hona chahiye 😑 πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜† j/k... On Star One, last week they showed Kunti trying to convince Karn to join the Pandavs after Krishna has told him he's one of them... very emotional epi 😭 LOVE Pankaj Dheer's acting πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘ but Nazneen who I usually like seemed a bit weak... he was so understated and subtle that she seemed a bit filmy next to him. Speaking of Shikhandi, agar DOTW kar rahe hai to here's an idea for the first topic - Bhishma's intervention in the lives of Amba, Ambika, Ambalika, and Gandhari - the first case led to Shikhandi and the second led to Shakuni - so were these "negative side effects" possibly proof that his attempts to control these women's lives were wrong? Though he was only looking out for the wellbeing of Hastinapur, was matchmaking - esp forcefully like in Amba and company's case - overstepping the lines?
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Dear Friends,

As Geeta Episodes are starting from today in Star Utsav telecast of Mahabharat in India, I am posting the 1st Geeta Episode (i.e.- Episode 72) dialogues here. Attemping such a Huge... and Difficult... topic with Dear Brother Shivang's encouragement😊.



EPISODE 72 –

(Geeta scene begins from 11 min and continues till the end of the episode, i.e. - 40 min)



Krishna – Kya dekh rahe ho Parth?



Arjun – Pita tulya jano, Pitamah, Aacharyo, Bhaiyon, Mitro, aur Putra ko dekh raha hoon Kehsav.



Krishna – Inhe dekhna kya hai Parth? Tum inhe pehli baar to nahi dekh rahe ho?


Arjun –Haan, pehli baar to nahi dekh raha hoon.



Krishna – Aur tum yeh bhi jaante the ki yeh saare sage sammandhi is ranbhoomi mein kisi na kisi ore khade avashya dikhayi denge.



Arjun – To kya jaanne aur dekhne mein koi antar nahi hai Keshav? He Madhav, aap mere rath dono senao ke beech le chaliye ki mera paridrishya thik rahe. Main dono senayo ko barabar ki doori se dekhna chahta hoon Keshav. Mujhe le chaliye wahan.




Krishna – Le chalta hoon Parth, le chalta hoon. Parantu he Kuntiputra, yeh baat tumne shankh bajne se pehle kyun nahi kahi?



Arjun – Kyunki shankh baajne ke upraant ab is yudh ki vishay mein koi sandeh nahi reh gaya Keshav, koi sandeh nahi reh gaya.



(Here we have reactions of different characters for one minute or so.)



(Now the chariot is in the middle of the battlefield.)




Krishna – Lo Parth, ranbhoomi ka madhya to aa gaya.



Arjun– Yeh do senaye nahi hai Keshav – yeh to do saagar hai.


(Here we have some flashback scenes of Arjun's childhood with Bheeshma and Drona)


Krishna – Inhe kab tak dekhte rahoge Parth?



Arjun– Dekhne dijiye Keshav, dekhne dijiye. Kya pata is yudh ke upraant in mein se kaun dekhne ko milega aur kaun dekhne ko nahi milega.

Madhav, main yeh kin logo se yudh karne aaya hoon? Aur is yudh mein vijay prapt karne ke liye mai kin logon ke praan dao pe laga raha hoon? Dono hi ore to ek hi vansh ke log khare hai, ek hi briksh ke daaliya.

Woh … woh jo saamne shwet vastra pehne shwet rath par sawar khade hai, woh sansar ke liye Gangaputra honge, mere liye to woh sneh ki Ganga hai. Mai apne maile, dhul se sane vastra pehan kar inke shwet vastra mein ghus jaya karta tha. Woh mujhe apne hriday se laga liya karte the, woh mere Pitamah hai Keshav. Woh mere Pitamah hai.

Woh acharya Dron hai, jinhone mere atma ko nehla diya apne gyan ki saagar me. Aur is shishya ki jholi mein apna saara gyan udel diya. Unhone jitna mujhe diya hai na Keshav, utna to swayam apna Putra Ashwatthama ko bhi nahi diya.

Mai in se yudh karne aaya hoon? Mai inke pran lene ki praitna karunga? Yeh sochne se hi mera ang ang shithil hota ja raha hai, mera mooh sukha ja raha hai, dhanush aur vaan pakadne wale yeh haath… sund hue ja rahe hai. Mere sharir mein woh kapkapi hai Keshav jo maine kabhi shishir ritu me bhi anubhav nahi ki thi. Mera Gaandiv… mera Gaandiv mere haath se gira ja raha hai Keshav, main in par vaan kya chalaunga Keshav, jinka satkar ke liye swayam mere romte tak khade ho gaye ho. Main is ranbhoomi kurukshetra ko apne hi vansh ka shamshaan bhoomi nahi bana sakta Keshav, apne hi vansh ka shamshaan bhoomi nahi bana sakta.
Aap kuch kehte kyun nahi Keshav?



Krishna – Abhi to main sun raha hoon na Parth? Pehle tum keh lo…



Arjun –Kehne ko kya hai Keshav? Kehne ko kya hai? Mai apni kul ke shavo par apna raaj bhavan khada nahi kar saakta. Mai us raaj-sukh ka kya karunga jisse Bharat-Vansh ki lahu ki mehek aa rahi hogi? Jin guru jano ki charno par sir rakhha, unhi ke sir kaat fenku? Jisse is dhanush par vaan chalana seekha, ussi par vaan chalau Keshav? Mujhe in mulyo par vijay nahi chahiye Keshav, mujhe in mulyo par vijay nahi chahiye. Prithvi ka rajya to phir bhi prithvi ka rajya hai, mujhe in damo Trilok ka rajya bhi nahi chahiye.

Duryadhan… Duryodhan bhi hai to mera hi bhai na? Maana ki usne hamare saath kapat kiya hai, usne Panchaali ka apmaan karke poora bharat vansh ka apmaan kiya hai, kintu hai to woh jyeshth Pitashree ka jyeshth putra hi na?

He Shaantidev, yaadi sab kuch kho kar bhi mujhe shaanti mile, aur main kul ki naash ki paap se bach jaun, to yeh shaanti bahut sasti hai Keshav, yeh shaanti bahut sasti hai.



Krishna -

Kutastva kasmalamidam visame samupasthitam|
Anaryajustamasvargyamakirtikaramarjuna||2-2||




Arjun – Keshav …


Krishna – Mera naam lekar mujhe pukarne se pehle yeh batao Parth ke is samay jab vinash ke badal charo ore se ubar aaye hai, aur Dharm raksha aur vijay ki aas liye tumhari ore dekh raha hai, is sankat ke ghari mein tumne kayarta ke in heen bhavo ko apne hriday mein aane kaise diya? Sreshth purush to yu vishaad mein dooba nahi karte, Dharm aur Adharm ke beech sangharsh ke is nirnayak ghadi mein napunsak na bano Parth, napunsak na bano.

He Parantap, He Shatru-sanharak, He Dhananjay, tumhare yeh bhaav anarya hai, yeh tumhe swarg se gira denge. Aur keerti se bhi. Aur tum swayam apne tiraskar ka kaaran ban kar reh jaoge. Is liye He Parth, hriday ki is durbalta ko tyago, aur yudhh ke liye khade ho jao.





Arjun – Khada kaise ho jau Madhusudan, khara kaise ho jau?

Pitamah ka vadh karne ke liye khada kaise ho jau? Guru-Sreshth par prahaar karne ke liye khada kaise ho jau? Jo mere liye pujyaniya hai, unse yudhh kaise karu? Jin Guruyon ne mujhe vijay ka mantra sikhaya, unhe parajit karne ke liye kaise khada ho jau? In Mahapurusho par haath uthane se to kahi achha hai ki mai yeh haath, bhiksha ke liye phailau. Bhiksha mein mili hui roti in Mahapurusho ki rakt se sani hui nahi hogi.

He Hrishikesh, mai to yeh bhi samajh nahi pa raha hoon ki is yudhh mein vijay sreshth hai ki parajay. Dhritarashtra putro shatruyo ke bhaanti mere saamne khade hai, main jaanta hoon ki unka vadh kiye bina jeena sambhav nahi hai, kintu He Keshav, unka vadh karne ke uprant bhi jeena sahaj nahi hoga. Kya woh mere bhai nahi hai Keshav? Boliye Keshav …




Krishna – Avashya hai.



Arjun– Bus kewal itna hi kehna hai aapko?


Krishna – Tumne kewal yehi to poocha tha Parth.

Kintu yeh yudhh sammandho aur naato ki sthaapna ya pehchaan ke liye nahi hai Kuntiputra, apne kartavya ko pehchaano aur tab nirnay lo.

Kyunki nirnay to tumhi ko lena padega. Yadi tum yeh chahte ho ki nirnay main loon aur tum is yudhh ke uttar-dayitwa se bach jao, to yeh nahi hoga Parth, kadapi nahi hoga. Kyunki yeh yudhh bhi tumhara hai, aur is yudhh ka parinaam bhi tumhara hi hoga.




Arjun – Mujhe kartavyo ka maarg thik tarah se dikhai nahi de raha hai Keshav, is liye He Vaasudev, aap mere aatma ke bhi saarathi ban jaiye. Mai jaanta hoon ki mai Dharm aur Adharm ke beech mein khada hoon, kintu yeh nirnay nahi le pa raha hoon ki Dharm kis ore hai aur Adharm kis ore. Mere maarg darshan kijiye Keshav. Indriyo ko sukha dene wala is shok se bachne ka maarg dikhlaiye mujhe. Apne is maansik avastha me to mai yudhh nahi kar sakta, Govind, mai yudhh nahi kar sakta.

Na yotsya iti govindam... na yotsya iti govindam.




(Here again we have a conversation between Dhritarashtra and Sanjay).


Krishna -

Ashochyan anvashohcas tvam prajnavadanshcha bhasase,
Gatasun agatasunsh cha nanushochanti panditah.(11)



Haan Parth, jo chale gaye, we to chale gaye. Aur gyani to na jaane walo ka shok karte hai aur na unka jo nahi gaye. Weh to na bigat ke liye shok kare aur na agat ke liye. Tumhari shaili to gyaniyo ki hi hai, parantu baat tum murkho jaisi kar rahe ho. Shok karne se pehle yeh to dekho ki tum jinke liye shok kar rahe ho, weh to shok ke yogya hi nahi hai.




Arjun – To kya Pitamah ya Guru-Sreshth Acharya shok ke yogya nahi hai Keshav?


Krishna – Yedi woh shok ke yogya hote to main yeh kehta hi kyun Parth?

Tum is satya ko samjh lo Parth ki mool tatwa sharir nahi hai, Aatma hai. Aur mrityu uski yatra ka ant bhi nahi hai. Kyunki uski yatra to anant hai. Mrityu to kewal ek padaav hai Parth, kewal ek padaav.

Saans ka ant pavan ka anth nahi hai. Yu samjho Parth, ki prani to pehle baalak hota hai, phir woh baalak yuva ho jata hai, phir woh yuva vridhh aur phir mrityu. Kintu yeh yatra to sharir ki hai.

Aatma to isse bhi aage jata hai. Woh ek sharir ko tyag kar koi aur sharir dhaaran kar leta hai. Is liye jo yatra mrityu par samapt ho jaaye Parth, woh yatra to kewal sharir ki yatra hai Parth, kewal sharir ki yatra hai.



Na jayate mriyate va kadchin nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah,
Ajo nityah shashvatoyam purano na hanyate hanyamane shaarire (20)



Aatma ki yatra to anant hai Parth. Aur uski yatra ki ek bindu par sharir peechhe chhut jata hai aur yatri aagey nikal jata hai. Aur woh bilkul waise hi ek naya sharir pehan leta hai jaise hum koi purana vastra utaarkar naya vastra pehan lete hai.


Vasansi jeernani yatha vihaya navani grhnati naroparani,
Tatha sharirani vihaya jirnany anyani sanyati navani dehi (22)



He Parth, vinash to Aatma ko chhu hi nahi sakta, to phir shok kaisa? Aur kiske vinash ka? Kya vastra ke vinash ka? Kintu vastra to amar nahi hota. Woh to tyaage jaane ke liye hi hota hai. Aur Aatma marta nahi, kabhi nahi marta.



Arjun– Kintu we jo saamne khade hai, weh sab in yudhh ke paschaat sab ke sab honge na Keshav, sab ke sab honge na?


Krishna – Yeh hona aur na hona kya hai Parth? Kyunki wo samnay to kabhi tha hi nahi jab mai nahi tha, ya tum nahi the, ya yeh saare log nahi the. Aur na hi wo samay kabhi hoga, jab mai nahi hounga ya tum nahi hoge ya yeh saare log nahi honge.

To phir tum yeh kis bhram mein padh rahe ho Parth? Ki vartamaan jeevan hi sampoorn jeevan hai? Vartamaan jeevan sampoorna jeevan nahi hai Parth. Hum the bhi, hum hai bhi aur hum honge bhi.

Ab raha yeh sukh–dukh, inka kya hai? Yeh to rituyo ke bhaanti hai, aate jaate rehte hai. He Kuntiputra, jo sukh aur dukh dono hi ko samaan samjhe aur unse prabhaavit hue bina usse jhel jaye, wohi 'Sthitapragnya' hai. Aur wohi Moksha ka adhikari bhi hai.




Matrasparshas tu kaunteya shitoshnasukhadukhadah,
Agamapayinohnityas tams titiksava bharata (14)



He Bharat, maarne ya marne ki is aashanka se mukt ho jao. Kyunki mrityu to sirf ussi ki ho sakti hai na jiska janm hua ho, Aatma to Kaalateet hai. Kaal se bhi pare hai. Janm to jeev ka hota hai, Aatma ka nahi. Aur yadi Aatma janm hi nahi leta, to uski mrityu kaise ho sakti hai? Aatma to bus hai Parth, hai. Wo Kaal ke dono tato par bhi hai, aur Kaal ke dhaara me bhi. Wo Ajanma hai, Nitya hai, Sanatan hai, Avikaari hai, Avinaashi hai.

Is liye maarnme ya marne ko leke chintit hona vyarth hai Parth, vyarth hai. Mrityu to kewal sharir ki hoti hai, aur uski mrityu ke pashchat bhi Aatma nahi marta, kyunki shastra usse kaat nahi sakta, agni usse jala nahi sakti, jal usse gila nahi kar sakta, aut vayu usse sukha nahi sakti.




Nainam chindanti shastraani nainam dahati paavakah,
Na chainam kledayanty apo na shoshayati marutha. (23)




Ab kis chinta mein ho Parth?



Arjun – He Janaardan, kya mai ek Aatma ko Pitamah kehta hoon? Mai apne dhool mein sane vastra pehan kar kya ek Aatma ki god mein ghus jaya karta tha? Wo jo shwet vastra wale vridhh yodhha saamne apne rath me khade hai, kya kewal woh ek Aatma hai? Kya unke us sharir ne, jisse aap Aatma ka vastra keh rahe hai, anek vaar mere sheesh pe aashirwad dene ke liye haath nahi dhara tha?

Kya woh vridhh Brahman-Sreshth kewal ek Aatma hai, jinhone mujhe dhanurvidya seekhaye hai?


Keshav, mai Aatma ka Nitya hone, Puratan hone, Avinaashi hone par nahi na karta, par jin shariro ki main baat kar raha hoon, wo sharir bhi to mere kuch lagte hai na? Aatma to janam nahi leta Keshav, Aatma to janam nahi leta, kintu log to janam lete hai Keshav, log to janam lete hai.



Krishna – Haan, log janam to avashya lete hai. Kintu is tark to tanik aage badhao Mahabaho, tanik aage badhao. Jo janm lega, uske mrityu to nishchit hai, to nishchit ka shok kyun? Janm lene wale ko ek na ek din to marna hi hai. Aur yeh mrityu bhi ant nahi hai. Kyunki marnewala phir janm bhi lega, yeh to ek Atal Satya hai Parth. Aur is Atal Satya ko koi taal bhi nahi sakta, na tum, na mai, na koi aur.

Ganga putra Bheeshma ke paas to ichha mrityu ka vardaan hai, kintu mrityu to phir bhi atal hai na Parth? To janm, mrityu aur phir janm ki is shrinkhala me shok ka sthaan kahan hai Parth? Kahan hai shok ka sthaan?

Jin logon ko tum saamne khada dekh rahe ho na Parth, wo is janm ke pehle bhi the, par kya the yeh tum nahi jaante. Wo is janm ke uprant bhi honge, par kya honge yeh bhi tum nahi jaante. Unka astitva to is janm aur is maran ke do binduyo ke idhaar ya udhaar hai hi nahi. Aur agar hai bhi, to Agyaat hai, Avyakt hai. Arthat is janm se purva bhi wo tumhare liye nahi the Parth, aur is janm ke uprant bhi nahi honge. To he Parth, jinke jeevan ke anivarya ant hi mrityu ho, aur unke jeevan ke is anivarya anth ko na tum taal sakte ho, na hi badal sakte ho, to phir shok kaahe ka? Aur shok kyun?

Yeh Pitamah, yeh Gurujan, yeh sagey sammandhi, in me se kisi ko bhi tum unke is janm se poorv bhi nahi jaante the Paarth, aur na hi is janm ke uprant jaanoge. Tab to phir inke liye shok karna vyarth hoga na Parth, vyarth hoga.



Avyaktdini bhutani vyaktamadhyani bharata,
Avyaktanidhanany eva tatra ka paridevana (28)





(Again we have Dhritarashtra-Sanjay conversation here for one minute.)



Now we have one Doha:_

Duvidha me Dhritraashtra hai, yuddh saka nahi rok;
Yogeshwar samajha rahe, Arjun karo na shok, Arjun karo na shok.





Again Geeta scene continues:-


Krishna –

Svadharmam api chavekshya na vikampitum arhasi,
Dharmyad dhi yuddhach chreyonyat kshatriyasya na vidyate (31)


Is me aashcharya ki kya baat hai Parth, jaise phatna vastra ki antim satya thehra hai, waise hi mrityu sharir ka Antim Satya hai. to phir satya ka shok kyun?

Manushya Sharir aur Aatma, Nashwar aur Anashwar ka milan nahi hai. Sharir to kewal Aatma ka ek Saadhan hai. Is liye sharir ki chinta me pade bina hi, apne Dharm ka paalam karte rehna chahiye Parth.

Kintu agar tum apne Kshatriya Dharm ke baare me soch rahe ho Parth, tab bhi tumhe yudhh hi karna chahiye. Kyunki adharm ke virudhh astra aur shastra uthana hi kshatriya ka Dharm hai. aur aaj Adharm Dharm ke virudhh shastra uthaye saamne khada hai. Is liye he Parth, apne kshatriya Dharm ka paalan karo.




Arjun– He Keshav, aapse yehi poochne to mai aapko yahan laya hoon, ki mera Kartavya kya hai? Ki mera Dharm kya hai Keshav?



Krishna – Aur swayam Tum kya ho Parth? Swayam Tum Kaun ho?




Arjun– Mai Dron-shishya Arjun hoon.



Krishna – Kya iske atirikt aur kuch nahi ho?




Arjun– Mai Kuntiputra Arjun hoon.



Krishna – Aur?




Arjun– Mai Kshatriya hoon.



Krishna – Yedi tum Kshatriya na rahe hote Parth, to Dron-shishya bhi na rahe hote. Aur he Kauntey, Kuntiputra hone ke naate bhi to tum Kshatriya hi ho. To tumhara teeno hi pehchane kshatriya pehchane hai. Is liye kshatriya Dharm hi tumhara Dharm hai.

Us Dharm ka paalan karo. Adharm ke virudhh shastra uthana hi Kshatriya Dharm hai, anyay aur aneeti ke virudhh shastra uthana hi kshatriya Dharm hai. Aur yadi is nirnayak ghadi me tumne satya ke paksh me aur asatya ke virodh mein shastra nahi uthaye Parth, to tumhare Dharm ke saath saath tumhare ujjwal keerti bhi nasht ho jayegi.

Aur agar aisa hua Parth, to kewal tumhara virodhi hi nahi, balki poora samaj tumhe kalankit, kaapurush kahega. Aur aanewale peedhiya tumhe kayar aur paapi maanegi.


Is liye he Mahabaho, vijay ar parajay, jeevan aur mrityu, sukh aur dukh ke prashno me na uljho aur yudhh karo.

Yadi is yudhh me tumhari vijay hui to prithvi ka rajya aur yash bhogoge. Aur yedi veergati ko prapt hue, tab bhi yash ke saath saath swarg paoge.

Is liye he Kauntey, utho, sukh-dukh , jay-parajay, laabh-haani, sab ko samaan samjho. Aur yudhh karo. Ki yehi tumhara kshatriya Kartavya bhi hai aur Maanav-Dharm bhi.



Hato va prapsyasi svargam jitva v bhokshyase mahim,
Tasmad uttishtha kaunteya yuddhaya kritanishchayah.(37)





Last Doha of the Episode :-

Aatma to marta nahi, mar jaati hain deh;
Mann me tum rakkho nahi, duvidha ya sandeh.


(Episode ends here).

Edited by Debipriya - 13 years ago