Lakshya's mistrust,a bigger crime than Sanskar's drugging?-DTNote pg27 - Page 14

Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham

the extent of drug-related education seems to be very limited in india. I'm very surprised actually cos my experience in mumbai is very different- there are many campaigns to raise awareness on these issues around SoBo schools atleast. but now i think schools or even parents don't even speak about this very much...its like sex and STDs. you know about it when you get a problem related to it i guess. 😆

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Actually I would not have. If Swara does Love Laksh - and wants to go back to him - she should. She is keen on the divorce and Sanskaar is also not keen on continuing this relationship - so if everything is done mutually, why will I call Swara characterless? The problem is Swara DOES NOT want to go back to Laksh and Laksh is still forcing her to accept him. How do you justify that?

Btw, Society DOES matter. We live in a society and it holds much importance in our lives. Also, this is a serial, if society does not matter - then so does not drugging and MMS scandals - because at the end ; Drugging and MMS scandal are unforgivable in real world not in telly world - just like society may not matter to you - but that will only be in Telly world because Society DOES Matter.

Also, no one ever said Drugging and MMS Scandal should be forgiven - had it done as much harm as Laksh not trusting Swara did. Please keep Real and Reel life separate. Because in Real life I would never have fallen in love with a man like Laksh who jumps from one sister to another (because I have a sister), I would never let my mom unite with a man so spineless like Shekhar, Sanskaar and Ragini would have not been forgiven and a guy like Laksh - I would never have wanted to see his face again. 🤢

And if you can justify Laksh's reason for not trusting Swara - the one he claims to love and cannot live without, I can very well justify Sanskaar's POV when he committed those sins - he HAD a strong reason to feel betrayed by his brother and bade papa too. He went blind in his revenge and even though it was NOT right - it can still be justified.

One may keep claiming what Laksh did was under manipulation - but that just proves he does not use his brains and that is sad. I remember this scene from IPK when Arnav's Dadi convinced Khushi that Arnav wont show for the wedding - but Khushi did not leave the mandap at all. She believed in Arnav and waited even if to hear from his mouth that he is not going to marry her. She WAITED. Laksh failed right there.

There have been many instances when Laksh has done wrong too but comparing him to Sanskaar's wrong deeds does not take away from the fact that Laksh committed the biggest folly in love and continued to do it again and again against the one he Loved and that IS NOT Acceptable. He continues to do it again - under the manipulation of Ragini - but he still does it and he does not realise it. That IS his biggest mistake. Threatening to kill himself? - Legally NOT acceptable and may I add very cowardly.

So Laksh has done his fair share of wrongs - comparing his situation with Swara when he did it and Sanskaar's situation with Swara when Sanskaar did what he did - No relation at all.

Originally posted by: luvakanksha

Are u even watching the show?

Swara very clearly mention her reason of observing kc for sanskar

She said that no matter what but he is her husband and she is his wife currently so its her duty to keep fast for his long life

She did it not only to satisfy ragini's doubts but also for her husband's well being

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Brilliant. 👏 👏

Krystal : If Laksh can take a decision based on his disturbed state of mind like you said then Sanskaar also did the same thing in his disturbed state of mind. And I think Sanskaar's disturbed state of mind wins here because unlike Laksh the one he loved - DIED in his arms. He felt betrayed by the one he trusted the most - Laksh and he blamed his family for Kavita's death. I am sure if you can understand Laksh's state of mind then a benefit of doubt could be given to Sanskaar's state of mind too. And that again does not mean I am saying what he did was right - but still if Laksh's state of mind could be a reason for not trusting Swara and jumping into matrimony - Sanskaar's mental state was even worser (who was also constantly being egged on by Sujata)

We can continue with the comparisons - and that would not make Laksh right and Sanskaar wrong or vice versa. They have both been wrong once - one has repented - the other still has a long journey to take. Beyond this, I would not like to say anything. We can agree to disagree because obviously we are from a different fan base.

Also, I would like to compliment you for putting your points across maturely - do not expect that from many SwaLak fans here. I am always up for discussion as long as the topic is maturely handled. This was a refreshing change.

Originally posted by: canuck-umz

My apologies for intruding.

I don't think it's about glorifying Sanskaar. All of this is his repentance for the wrongs he did. He did criminal acts, everyone is in agreement about that. However, it's all about the subsequent actions of both males that have had a greater impact on viewer perceptions and even Swara's. Sanskaar has consistently done whatever he can to redeem himself by actively seeking repentance while Lakshya apologizes but does not act upon his apologies. Lakshya always only thinks about himself while Sanskaar puts others before himself and supports only what is right.

I can't justify Sanskaar's actions because they were criminal. About the stranger debate, I think people mean that for Swara it was less painful what Sanskaar did because he was a nobody to her but Lakshya's actions hurt more because he was her fiance (bestfriend earlier). In the end, Lakshya's actions resulted in a greater hurt for Swara than Sanskaar's.

In all this, Sanskaar knows he did wrong, he knows he will be punished. Sanskaar owns up to his actions and he has to live with his guilt.

Honestly, people shouldn't be judged on their past actions (unless it's a major crime like murder, rape, pedophilia, etc). Even criminals in the real world repent and are able to assimilate into society; they get married, have kids, hold jobs, get an education etc. The only difference here is that Swara did not charge him for his criminal acts. Even in the real world there are people who choose to forgive when they know a person is genuinely repenting and will not repeat their mistakes.

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Thank you for such a civil reply!

About the glorifying Sanskaar bit, I was actually referring to some of the posts I see the forum. They see Sanskaar as one of the best guys, nicest husband, etc. That was where my main problem lay -- his glorification without acceptance or even recognition of his past.

And regarding the Laksh-Sanskaar comparison, I'm not attempting to argue which character is better. I do fully agree that Laksh's current behaviour is horrible, especially compared to Sanskaar. But within my previous post, I was just discussing why I have a difficult time with Sanskaar's actions before his marriage to Swara. The above TM was attempting to justify Sanskaar's actions (drugging, etc. ) to Swara by saying that he was taken by revenge, or at least that's what it seemed to imply. And that's what my problem was -- he wasn't and isn't justified.

And thank you for agreeing on that. And thanks for providing the alternative view on Sanskaar's action as a stranger to Swara. I don't really want to go down into a discussion of Swara's character and her subsequent decisions and expectations from people (I really dislike her 😆), so I'll refrain from saying anything further. Except that I completely disagree with Swara's viewpoint LOL.

And about the whole past shouldn't matter. I'm conflicted on that as well. I think we'll have to agree to disagree there because I have reservations over the idea of 'repeating mistakes' (i.e. I think there's no real way to ensure that someone won't repeat -- I want them to be punished).

As for Sanskaar's repentence, we'll have to agree to disagree too. I still strongly believe that there needs to be a more physical repentence.

Again, thank you for the civil reply! :)

Originally posted by: --Anna--

And you are inferring something I did not say. I am saying what Sanskaar did was wrong - without comparing what Laksh did with Swara. But you know why I can justify Sanskaar's actions against Swara - an innocent soul?

Because, Sanskaar believed that Laksh and Bade Papa betrayed HIM and that got an INNOCENT soul, Kavita, killed. When you look at it from Sanskaar's POV and his mental state of mind - you will see that Sanskaar believed that Kavita, who was not at fault - an innocent bystander in the family drama of Bade Papa not accepting a Bengali girl for Sanskaar - was killed. You are missing out on Sanskaar's POV here. Just like Sanskaar spoilt Swara's life without her being involved in Kavita's death - Sanskaar at that time believed that Kavita, was killed because of Laksh's betrayal. So from his POV when Laksh can betray him and Bade Papa can get the love of his life killed - what is wrong in doing the same to Laksh?

I am not justifying it - but when Sanskaar did those crimes against Swara, his mental state, did not permit him to see that he was doing wrong to an innocent soul - all he could think of was the love of his life - again an innocent bystander being dead in his arms on the behest of Laksh and DP. So his POV at that moment can be justified. Yet, he did save Swara from Mohini and even when he committed those crimes he had moments of remorse.

And again, It was NOT right what he did.

You may think that Sanskaar deserves to be redeemed more where as I think his repentance is Done. I think it is time Laksh at least starts his repentance and stops playing the victim card. We can agree to disagree.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Bold: True. Good point there. However, when I mentioned a disturbed state of mind for Laksh, I meant his IMMEDIATE surroundings. On one hand, he saw Swara's video, on the other, his parents were facing a royal embarrassment. And then came the straw on the camel's back--Ragini's suicide. He didn't even get the space to breathe. That still does make justify his error of judgment in marrying Ragini, but he was given less time to recover than Sanskar was.

Sanskar, on the other hand, had time to get over his initial shock and grief, calm down, and think things over. After a few years, he should be in enough sense to understand that Swara is wholly innocent in all this mess, like lovely_lady said.

Thank you btw. Hope this cordiality continues. :)