Lakshya's mistrust,a bigger crime than Sanskar's drugging?-DTNote pg27 - Page 13

Originally posted by: SwaSanFanGirl

Umm, he was in his full sense. He wasn't drunk or drugged. It was his impulsive judgement. But it is still taken in full senses.

And I would have empathized a lot with him if he would have chosen a right way to redeem himself. As I said in one of my earlier post, Does he feel guilty of whatever he did to Swara? Yes he do. But does he act like one? No he doesn't.

Originally posted by: --Anna--

And if you can justify Laksh's reason for not trusting Swara - the one he claims to love and cannot live without, I can very well justify Sanskaar's POV when he committed those sins - he HAD a strong reason to feel betrayed by his brother and bade papa too. He went blind in his revenge and even though it was NOT right - it can still be justified.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

And ipkrr, a VERY good point you raised is that, How come Swara keeping Karwa Chauth and living with someone she does not love or has no intention to stay with, is not puke-worthy?

Originally posted by: canuck-umz

I don't think anyone denies that Sanskaar did many wrongs. He himself knows that and he has always been shown to be guilt ridden. I think people have fallen in love with Sanskaar because along with apologizing he also tries to do everything he can to redeem himself through his actions. Sanskaar realized that he was doing wrong to Swara at the time he was targeting her. Finally he did put a stop to it. He did not stop because Swara lectured him, he felt bad for her before that and saved her from the witch after which she told him to give up on revenge. Even God forgives a person when they truly ask for forgiveness and promise to never repeat those actions. Sanskaar deserves forgiveness but he knows he is yet to get his just desserts (of which the fact that Swara will not love him is punishment as is).

I think if Lakshya had done the same where he tried to seek forgiveness not just by saying sorry but by proving he his sorry through his actions then he would not receive so much flack from everyone. The issue with Lakshya is that he has continuously projected himself as the victim when he is the one to blame for his actions. No one put a gun to his head threatening him to marry Ragini. All he had to do was listen to Shomi, Dida, and Sanskaar and just wait for Swara on his wedding day. Yes, he was manipulated but that just shows how weak his trust on Swara was. A man in his mid-20s knows how to utilize his own mind yet Lakshya's voice of reason had forsaken him.

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Actually I would not have. If Swara does Love Laksh - and wants to go back to him - she should. She is keen on the divorce and Sanskaar is also not keen on continuing this relationship - so if everything is done mutually, why will I call Swara characterless? The problem is Swara DOES NOT want to go back to Laksh and Laksh is still forcing her to accept him. How do you justify that?

Btw, Society DOES matter. We live in a society and it holds much importance in our lives. Also, this is a serial, if society does not matter - then so does not drugging and MMS scandals - because at the end ; Drugging and MMS scandal are unforgivable in real world not in telly world - just like society may not matter to you - but that will only be in Telly world because Society DOES Matter.

Also, no one ever said Drugging and MMS Scandal should be forgiven - had it done as much harm as Laksh not trusting Swara did. Please keep Real and Reel life separate. Because in Real life I would never have fallen in love with a man like Laksh who jumps from one sister to another (because I have a sister), I would never let my mom unite with a man so spineless like Shekhar, Sanskaar and Ragini would have not been forgiven and a guy like Laksh - I would never have wanted to see his face again. 🤢

And if you can justify Laksh's reason for not trusting Swara - the one he claims to love and cannot live without, I can very well justify Sanskaar's POV when he committed those sins - he HAD a strong reason to feel betrayed by his brother and bade papa too. He went blind in his revenge and even though it was NOT right - it can still be justified.

One may keep claiming what Laksh did was under manipulation - but that just proves he does not use his brains and that is sad. I remember this scene from IPK when Arnav's Dadi convinced Khushi that Arnav wont show for the wedding - but Khushi did not leave the mandap at all. She believed in Arnav and waited even if to hear from his mouth that he is not going to marry her. She WAITED. Laksh failed right there.

There have been many instances when Laksh has done wrong too but comparing him to Sanskaar's wrong deeds does not take away from the fact that Laksh committed the biggest folly in love and continued to do it again and again against the one he Loved and that IS NOT Acceptable. He continues to do it again - under the manipulation of Ragini - but he still does it and he does not realise it. That IS his biggest mistake. Threatening to kill himself? - Legally NOT acceptable and may I add very cowardly.

So Laksh has done his fair share of wrongs - comparing his situation with Swara when he did it and Sanskaar's situation with Swara when Sanskaar did what he did - No relation at all.

I have read the whole comments . True, Drugging is a very big crime.. & so is MISTRUST..

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Sorry for intruding in this wonderful discussion, but I completely disagree with @ bold. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think Sanskaar's actions towards Swara prior him knowing her were justified at all. It's possible to argue that his actions against Laksh and DP were justifiable, but Swara still does not fit into this. She was an innocent bystander when he targetted her. He was NOT justified in his revenge at that point, especially in regards to his actions towards Swara.

And I think that's the point the TM and others have a problem with. Many others have tried to justify (perhaps justify is the wrong word, maybe contextualize is better?) Sanskaar's actions (drugging, MMS) against Swara by saying that since he was a stranger it makes it better than Laksh's direct betrayal.

But even when you take Laksh out of the equation, Sanskaar's actions are heinous. He literally tried to ruin the life of a girl (publicly and privately) whom he did not even know. It does not justify his actions at all imo. If anything, it just puts him in a worser light -- he targetting an innocent.

That's why I think he's still to be redeemed and that constantly glorifying him without keeping in mind his prior actions is not the best.

My apologies for intruding.

I don't think it's about glorifying Sanskaar. All of this is his repentance for the wrongs he did. He did criminal acts, everyone is in agreement about that. However, it's all about the subsequent actions of both males that have had a greater impact on viewer perceptions and even Swara's. Sanskaar has consistently done whatever he can to redeem himself by actively seeking repentance while Lakshya apologizes but does not act upon his apologies. Lakshya always only thinks about himself while Sanskaar puts others before himself and supports only what is right.

I can't justify Sanskaar's actions because they were criminal. About the stranger debate, I think people mean that for Swara it was less painful what Sanskaar did because he was a nobody to her but Lakshya's actions hurt more because he was her fiance (bestfriend earlier). In the end, Lakshya's actions resulted in a greater hurt for Swara than Sanskaar's.

In all this, Sanskaar knows he did wrong, he knows he will be punished. Sanskaar owns up to his actions and he has to live with his guilt.

Honestly, people shouldn't be judged on their past actions (unless it's a major crime like murder, rape, pedophilia, etc). Even criminals in the real world repent and are able to assimilate into society; they get married, have kids, hold jobs, get an education etc. The only difference here is that Swara did not charge him for his criminal acts. Even in the real world there are people who choose to forgive when they know a person is genuinely repenting and will not repeat their mistakes.

Originally posted by: chinyere

that question is the most illeterate question i have read in a long time.4yr old knows the latter is a crime petiod.how can something br a bigger crime when misyrust has no legal ramification but morality.

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Sorry for intruding in this wonderful discussion, but I completely disagree with @ bold. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think Sanskaar's actions towards Swara prior him knowing her were justified at all. It's possible to argue that his actions against Laksh and DP were justifiable, but Swara still does not fit into this. She was an innocent bystander when he targetted her. He was NOT justified in his revenge at that point, especially in regards to his actions towards Swara.

And I think that's the point the TM and others have a problem with. Many others have tried to justify (perhaps justify is the wrong word, maybe contextualize is better?) Sanskaar's actions (drugging, MMS) against Swara by saying that since he was a stranger it makes it better than Laksh's direct betrayal.

But even when you take Laksh out of the equation, Sanskaar's actions are heinous. He literally tried to ruin the life of a girl (publicly and privately) whom he did not even know. It does not justify his actions at all imo. If anything, it just puts him in a worser light -- he targetting an innocent.

That's why I think he's still to be redeemed and that constantly glorifying him without keeping in mind his prior actions is not the best.

Originally posted by: ipkrr

Even though Khushi stood by her belief in Arnav - he at one stage made her life a living hell - by marrying her out of deep distrust and revenge. They both eventually acknowledged their love in telly world and what a love it was 😉 It started with deep distrust on both sides and ended in true love.

Folks make stupid decisions when faced with intense emotion - not everyone is perfect. Laksh though stupid is basically a nice guy - never wants to hurt anyone - it's his niceness that made him an easy target all along and hence my sympathies for him. He's immature, easily manipulated and stupid - yes - but I believe his love for Swara is real. He does not know how to handle it - as he is getting screwed from all directions - Ragini, Sanskaar, Dadi, his mom, his dad... all the time. He needs to grow up get out of Ragini's stronghold, as do the others - and move on.