Is there mahanta in doing chaplusi?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I dont understand one thing, so please feel free to try make me understand cos i really want to. why must swara constantly seek G family approval? i just saw a promo of Swaragini where Ragini talks about how she was in love but its destroyed because laksh loves swara and swara is crying saying ragini doesn't know whole truth and she wants ragini to give her a second chance or if she will lose her sister.
So the situation can be one or the other:

Situation A) Ragini didn't believe Swara when she said Laksh loves me but i don't love him. If thats the case then wow. swara is pathetic for begging her sister for redemption through no fault of her own. after everything swara has done to put their family together, i think she atleast earned enough credibility from shaker and rags, that she wouldnt have an affair with laksh behind their backs. her neediness for her sister and father's approval, same father and sister who don't think 2 secs before asking her for a character certificate, is actually nauseating. swara says she's adhuri without this sister whom she's known about for the last 2 months. ragini on the other hand is not at all adhuri without her sister. swara has never been as important to her as she's been to swara, atleast nothing we've seen so far has indicated that she does. so basically this whole show will then continue to be based on swara pandering to any and all of ragini's demands and ragini living in her dreamworld and being petulant whenever swara can't give her what she wants. great character dev for ragini, yay!

Situation B) Ragini is mad at Swara for not being open to her and for giving wind to her feelings for laksh without any reason. in this case what galat fehmi? its the truth! if laksh is 70% responsible for Ragini's heartbreak, you Swara in your attempt to not shatter the china doll sister of yours, were the rest of the 30% responsible. what would her explanation do for ragini. she's heartbroken that her sister lied. in that case, swara needs to give her time and space. not hover around her like a lost puppy, like laksh was doing with her. she needs to stop fantasizing about saving her baby sister. like they're not a perfect family and they'll never be. they're bond will of adult best friends not the same as sisters who've nurtured each other through years. so swara has to stop looking for that and rejoice in what she does have with Ragini- a great friendship tied by sisterhood. treat her as an equal rather than a baby sister she protects. laksh loves swara not ragini. what can swara do? kidnap laksh and force him to marry ragini and condemn her to a forever hell?

the kicker in all of this is that swara's chaplusi and constant attempt to please ragini and shekhar is considered mahanta and she's a 'good girl' and exemplary, whereas Laksh's straightforward truth and guts that prevented a much bigger mess is his wrong decision and he's the 'bad guy' for hurting ragini. he's hella impulsive and maybe even immature for confessing his feelings before wrapping up ragini. but lets take a moment to reflect on who is really mature in this situation as of now.

Sound off below!
PS: this is literally Ragini's last chance to grow up and behave more maturely than both laksh and swara. the audience won't have patience for a non-action main character much longer. they will move on and stop caring about her screen presence. she needs to prove to swara once and for all that she DOESNT need a bigger sister, she's been fine without one for the last 20 odd years of her life, she DOES need a best friend who will be honest with her and tell her when she's being naive and delusional and firmly tell her to move on. not someone who'll tell her what she wants to hear and then try to manage it for her. thats not how life works for people who aren't princesses.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Gr8 post di..earlier I used to sympathize with rags and it was mainly becoz of the obsession that the writers had with swara, but ragini's constant pinning for lakshya is driving me insane. I m starting to get annoyed with her coz I just fail to understand how this unrequited love became such am imp part of her life. The writers r trying to glorify ragini's love for lakshya without giving solid proof of its roots. Ragini had a golden opportunity to prove her love for lakshya when he was begging dadi but at that point she failed him. Now the writers believe that by giving dramatic BG music or by making ragini bawl her eyes out for lakshya her love will become epic than they r sadly mistaken. The image I have formed of ragini is of a poor mother less girl who has been protected like a gentle flower by her family..something tells me that all her wishes have been fulfilled by her grandmother and in exchange she has given them the authority to take all her decisions .she is so used to living in this idealistic world that now she just can't accept the truth.u r right about Swara becoming the junior version of dadi in her life..right now ragini just needs sum1 who will help her see the reality..she needs sum1 who won't pity her and tell her how delusional she is. Swara also needs to stop acting like a hypocrite coz she is to b blamed equally for giving ragini flase hope. At least lakshya is honest enough to accept his flaws unlike these two sisters who want to play the victim card (though I agree that what happened with ragini was not her fault).
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Posted: 10 years ago
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nice post di😊
i think it is more of option b than a bcoz before starting her marathon run in the middle of the road😆 ragini asked swara tumne hamari behen hote hue hamse jhooth bola something like that maybe pointing to the fact that swara herself had assured that laksh loves her n then swara told it ws all an misunderstanding. so i think she is mad at swara fr not telling her the truth despite knowing everything the anger ws then mixed wid the fact that laksh dint love her( i eally dont know why she cares fr him so much😆). i dont think she feels swara betrayed her by having n affair wid laksh.
another thing is that i feel ragini already somewhere knew in her heart that laksh liked swara more than ragini or to some extent that he loved swara bcoz before her accident she remembers all the swarya moments perfectly, but at that time she convieniently closed eyes to those thongs that she cud see clearly n assured herself that laksh loves her. i felt like she did somewhere hav a small fear that laksh loved swara. i maybe completely wrong but just felt that way.
as fr swara i seriously think she has double standards, one fr her family n other fr the outside world. she is a jhansi ki rani n self righteous fr outside n bheegi billi fr her family. she is so angry wid laksh but i never saw her angry wid her father. i mean shekhar also betrayed her mother in front of whole badi coz his father blackmailed him that he wud commit suicide. n the same case ws wid laksh, his brother who he loves so much who he thought ws dead fr 5 years had come back, threatened to slit his hand if ragini dint come, what cud he hv done. he did the same thing shekhar did 20 years ago. but i never saw her telling shekhar that aapki ek galti ke wajah se meri ma ki zindagi barbaad ho gayi?? where does her self righteousness go in front of shekhar. i fr one feel that she is too desperate fr a family n a way too protective n crazy fr her sister( dont know why coz they werent even gud friends to begin with).she needs to give some space to ragini n hav trust that ragini can take decisions on her own.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: matreyee

Gr8 post di..earlier I used to sympathize with rags and it was mainly becoz of the obsession that the writers had with swara, but ragini's constant pinning for lakshya is driving me insane. I m starting to get annoyed with her coz I just fail to understand how this unrequited love became such am imp part of her life. The writers r trying to glorify ragini's love for lakshya without giving solid proof of its roots. Ragini had a golden opportunity to prove her love for lakshya when he was begging dadi but at that point she failed him. Now the writers believe that by giving dramatic BG music or by making ragini bawl her eyes out for lakshya her love will become epic than they r sadly mistaken. The image I have formed of ragini is of a poor mother less girl who has been protected like a gentle flower by her family..something tells me that all her wishes have been fulfilled by her grandmother and in exchange she has given them the authority to take all her decisions .she is so used to living in this idealistic world that now she just can't accept the truth.u r right about Swara becoming the junior version of dadi in her life..right now ragini just needs sum1 who will help her see the reality..she needs sum1 who won't pity her and tell her how delusional she is. Swara also needs to stop acting like a hypocrite coz she is to b blamed equally for giving ragini flase hope. At least lakshya is honest enough to accept his flaws unlike these two sisters who want to play the victim card (though I agree that what happened with ragini was not her fault).


agree wid u. that ws the time when she had the chance to prove her luv but she just stood there fr her dadi's approval.if she wanted she cud hv told that i want to go n i dont think anybody wud hv stopped her. i dont think she loves him, she just likes the person she thinks he is😆 the cvs r glorifying her love only wid her words like "hum unse itna pyar karenge ki vo bhi hums pyar karne pe majboor ho jayenge" but no actions.this all makes the viewers difficult to even believe that she loves laksh, forget about laksh loving her.if she really loved him she wud hv stood up fr him like she did fr her family in front of dp.n that time also dadi stopped her frm telling truth but she stood her ground. so i feel that if ragini really chooses to do something nobody cn convince or stop her. its her preference to stay silent or talk.
nowadays i m feeling that she stood silent bcoz she somehow thought all his begging wud lead to their sagai😆( just kidding). i m a fan of ragini, but nw after the accident, if she doesnt cum out of her dreamworld n doesnt stop pining fr laksh it wiil be very hard to sypathize wid her.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: matreyee

Gr8 post di..earlier I used to sympathize with rags and it was mainly becoz of the obsession that the writers had with swara, but ragini's constant pinning for lakshya is driving me insane. I m starting to get annoyed with her coz I just fail to understand how this unrequited love became such am imp part of her life. The writers r trying to glorify ragini's love for lakshya without giving solid proof of its roots. Ragini had a golden opportunity to prove her love for lakshya when he was begging dadi but at that point she failed him. Now the writers believe that by giving dramatic BG music or by making ragini bawl her eyes out for lakshya her love will become epic than they r sadly mistaken. The image I have formed of ragini is of a poor mother less girl who has been protected like a gentle flower by her family..something tells me that all her wishes have been fulfilled by her grandmother and in exchange she has given them the authority to take all her decisions .she is so used to living in this idealistic world that now she just can't accept the truth.u r right about Swara becoming the junior version of dadi in her life..right now ragini just needs sum1 who will help her see the reality..she needs sum1 who won't pity her and tell her how delusional she is. Swara also needs to stop acting like a hypocrite coz she is to b blamed equally for giving ragini flase hope. At least lakshya is honest enough to accept his flaws unlike these two sisters who want to play the victim card (though I agree that what happened with ragini was not her fault).


mats you know I'm a bit biased about Laksh so i kind of question my opinions on him often but glad to see that I'm not the only one who sees that Laksh is the one whose moral standing and action comes out on top till now. he tried his best to understand everyone and make things ok for everyone including ragini. he acknowledges that he hurt her the most and has enough guts to make amends. but the same cannot be said of swara, i feel like I've given her more credit than she's due. she's in someways just as much of a little girl inside as ragini. except she's an insecure little girl pretending to be mature and tough cos life's given her no other option. ragini's the way she is because she's had a pretty emotionally secured life minus losing mother. she never had to second guess her parents' affection or fight for a father's name. swara on the other hand grew up constantly fighting the world and herself about her father. she's just an insecure little girl who just got her perfect family and is unquestioningly hanging to that ideal image in her head. her father has done very little to ensure her of his loyalty and affection and she's unable to accept the reality of her family dynamics.
as far as Ragini goes, theres no amount of BG music or crying that will convince me of her love for laksh, it'll just prove that she's a petulant child with no understanding of the emotion. love isn't a magic potion that happens during a midsummer night's dream (reference intended). and it will further her inaction in the show. viewers WILL stop caring about her screen presence as you yourself can probably attest to, if this goes on.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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...what's chaplusi LOL? Sorry my hindi (I think the word has a hindi origin?) is not that strong.

As for your post. I agree in that this is the last chance I'm also giving to Ragini to grow up. I actually didn't hold her running away after realizing Laksh loves Swara truth, against her. I could where she was coming from. I explained this in an earlier post, about what Laksh represents to Ragini and her dreams and fantasies were only fuelled by Swara (and Laksh's actions). So she comes across as the only one who makes sense in her actions, sort of. I'm waiting to see what she does with this revelation. Haven't seen the promo so may be a bit off. I'm operating on the assumption/ belief that Ragini is now attempting to reunite SwarYa with that poison thing. But before that happens, I really want Ragini to question everyone around her and tell them off. The only reason she fell so hard (metaphorically LOL, not literally) was because her family pushed her hopes so high. And not only Swara is to blame for this, Dadi is as well.

And Swara. Tbh-- she's actually been irritating me from the past few episodes. She started out as my favourite character but then turned into this mary sue which pissed me. Her baby-ing of Ragini, desperation of reuniting with Shekher (I LOVED it when Sumi asked Swara why she felt so close to a father she had only known for like 2 days -- LOL like it was such a good question and Swara's answer was so unsatisfactory), constant rudeness to Laksh, etc. all started to really really really annoy me. She comes across as too dominating. Is she really that insecure about having a family/ selfish? Like of all the things she could've called Laksh (irresponsible, immature, stupid, etc.) she had to choose selfish when the guy freaking tried his best and suceeded in bringing her parents together? Like seriusly? So ungrateful. Can't really stand her anymore. She needs a serious talking to about her selfish behaviour and her tunnel vision.

And Laksh. I was on board with this guy until the whipping thing. He was my absolute favourite. But the whipping thing is just like W*F? How do you even think of that? W*F where the CVs thinking? Did they want to show how Laksh is such a sensitive guy? Because we already knew that. I think he had actually handled the love triangle okay (he definitely made mistakes but you could also see why he made them) until the whipping. Straight up stupidity. But it's my fault for expecting a show from the creator of the infamous SNS and SSK to make a somewhat realistic show LOL.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhshre95

nice post di😊

i think it is more of option b than a bcoz before starting her marathon run in the middle of the road😆 ragini asked swara tumne hamari behen hote hue hamse jhooth bola something like that maybe pointing to the fact that swara herself had assured that laksh loves her n then swara told it ws all an misunderstanding. so i think she is mad at swara fr not telling her the truth despite knowing everything the anger ws then mixed wid the fact that laksh dint love her( i eally dont know why she cares fr him so much😆). i dont think she feels swara betrayed her by having n affair wid laksh.
another thing is that i feel ragini already somewhere knew in her heart that laksh liked swara more than ragini or to some extent that he loved swara bcoz before her accident she remembers all the swarya moments perfectly, but at that time she convieniently closed eyes to those thongs that she cud see clearly n assured herself that laksh loves her. i felt like she did somewhere hav a small fear that laksh loved swara. i maybe completely wrong but just felt that way.
as fr swara i seriously think she has double standards, one fr her family n other fr the outside world. she is a jhansi ki rani n self righteous fr outside n bheegi billi fr her family. she is so angry wid laksh but i never saw her angry wid her father. i mean shekhar also betrayed her mother in front of whole badi coz his father blackmailed him that he wud commit suicide. n the same case ws wid laksh, his brother who he loves so much who he thought ws dead fr 5 years had come back, threatened to slit his hand if ragini dint come, what cud he hv done. he did the same thing shekhar did 20 years ago. but i never saw her telling shekhar that aapki ek galti ke wajah se meri ma ki zindagi barbaad ho gayi?? where does her self righteousness go in front of shekhar. i fr one feel that she is too desperate fr a family n a way too protective n crazy fr her sister( dont know why coz they werent even gud friends to begin with).she needs to give some space to ragini n hav trust that ragini can take decisions on her own.


I am going to wait on confirmation that Ragini doesn't think Swara has something going on with Laksh cos every time I'm like she will rise, she disappoints. i 100% agree with you that Ragini did have the swarya feels but chose to ignore them. but that is the kind of blissful thinking that she needs to get over. as for swara, theres a pattern in serials where if one of your parents abandon you for some higher belief or some act of mahanta then you are to forgive them and run around behind them like a lost puppy begging for approval. if you lash out like normal people then its a sin and your the 'bad girl'. i personally think laksh is better than shekhar by 100 folds. laksh refused to ruin ragini's life, shekhar did engage janki in a loveless marriage. laksh boldly told the whole world- i love swara and she's the only person that i'll allow in my life, whereas shaker couldn't stand up for a love that was reciprocated and consummated. but swara being the good girl will never question anything cos her father was being a mahaan beta.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhshre95


agree wid u. that ws the time when she had the chance to prove her luv but she just stood there fr her dadi's approval.if she wanted she cud hv told that i want to go n i dont think anybody wud hv stopped her. i dont think she loves him, she just likes the person she thinks he is😆 the cvs r glorifying her love only wid her words like "hum unse itna pyar karenge ki vo bhi hums pyar karne pe majboor ho jayenge" but no actions.this all makes the viewers difficult to even believe that she loves laksh, forget about laksh loving her.if she really loved him she wud hv stood up fr him like she did fr her family in front of dp.n that time also dadi stopped her frm telling truth but she stood her ground. so i feel that if ragini really chooses to do something nobody cn convince or stop her. its her preference to stay silent or talk.
nowadays i m feeling that she stood silent bcoz she somehow thought all his begging wud lead to their sagai😆( just kidding). i m a fan of ragini, but nw after the accident, if she doesnt cum out of her dreamworld n doesnt stop pining fr laksh it wiil be very hard to sypathize wid her.

@bold EXACTLY!!!! remember when dadi was screaming at ragini to throw Sanskaar out of their house and she argued back saying ''app naye hi toh humey jarooratmando ki help karna seekhaya hai' she refused to throw him out but when lakshya needed help she just stood there doing NOTHING...it actually amuses me whether the writers did this parallel on purpose or was it just a coincidence
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I agree with your points on Swara and Ragini. Swara is doing nothing, other than emotional damage, to a Ragini that uses her heart more than her head.

About Shekhar and Ragini, I think she owed them an explanation. Swara gave him the rights of a father and what he had seen had been misleading and therefore made him upset. But once Swara had explained her part, Shekhar apologised for his behaviour - that was a big step because most fathers don't do that so easily.

And I think why people have been less accommodating to the recent change in Swara is because, from the very beginning, she's been shown as the perfect protagonist - Harry Potter, Tulsi Virani, Kashish (Aamna Sharif) and Sherlock Holmes all in one. And Ragini has been...(I apologise - I can't think of a title character that's only been on TV for 5 minutes every episode). But there was bound to be some flaw in each lead - we were just introduced to Ragini's earlier than Swara's.

Furthermore, what Swara did to Lakshya was wrong but while Swara has to stop thinking that Ragini's needs an older sister, Lakshya (I don't want to be rude about him in case you get your wand out, Tejaswini 😳 ) also needs to stop running to Ragini's older sister to handle what he could've easily sorted out if he had approached Ragini first.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhshre95


agree wid u. that ws the time when she had the chance to prove her luv but she just stood there fr her dadi's approval.if she wanted she cud hv told that i want to go n i dont think anybody wud hv stopped her. i dont think she loves him, she just likes the person she thinks he is😆 the cvs r glorifying her love only wid her words like "hum unse itna pyar karenge ki vo bhi hums pyar karne pe majboor ho jayenge" but no actions.this all makes the viewers difficult to even believe that she loves laksh, forget about laksh loving her.if she really loved him she wud hv stood up fr him like she did fr her family in front of dp.n that time also dadi stopped her frm telling truth but she stood her ground. so i feel that if ragini really chooses to do something nobody cn convince or stop her. its her preference to stay silent or talk.
nowadays i m feeling that she stood silent bcoz she somehow thought all his begging wud lead to their sagai😆( just kidding). i m a fan of ragini, but nw after the accident, if she doesnt cum out of her dreamworld n doesnt stop pining fr laksh it wiil be very hard to sypathize wid her.



why kidding? I really believe so. I dont care!. I believe Ragani and Swara seems to wait and see what profit Laksh's begging could yield. Every knows they can stand against Dadi and nothing will happen, so why didn't they take a stand that day to save Laksh's brother's life?...please answer me

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