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Posted: 9 years ago
OS corner updated on pg. 11
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@krishna-sourav if I am not mistaken u are rakhu. Do u really think change has not happened in ayodha it was perfect and the injustice was hidden and ram exposed it. Today isn't the injustice laid bare open in the so called perfection? A price a woman had to pay for getting acceptance from Praja as a queen not the husband who knew everything has happened once in history I guess maybe it did what had to be done in that Yuga and mb happened later.
@divine-ram , Shruthi Di might give u a better explanation my basic understanding will share
As shown in Skr Ram had a vision, he knew ayodha and yes u are right she was vindicted forever from perception. He as Maryada purushottam followed the rules and exposed the hypocrisy, ever changing Smrithi contained. What better way could there have been there than to adhere to so called perfect rules thus becoming victims themselves. There could have been no better way to make people understand the brutal truth. Hope this helped.
@shruthi Di CV's have sketched dhobi well. He who doesn't understand equality, true love and above all his insecurity. Ram rajya though the very fact for one person many people today don't seem to accept but that's how it had always been in gods kingdom right. Maybe the dhobi doesn't understand trust in true love and so the raghunandan let AP happen as he knew the mindset of ayodha as shurpi said ayodha mindset was darker than even Lanka.Not understanding AP is his ignorance rather ego. One more thing I felt was ram will not tell Sita proved through AP to dhobi tomorrow as its not that woman should do that for acceptance. It was Sita's choice not necessary that dhobi wife in ayodha has to do the same that would be total wrong interpretation like sulochana said.
Like ram said yesterday Maryada was his life she was the basis of it and she will do the necessary.
It starts with one but before the perception creeps in others ram does the necessary.

This made a lot of sense to me.
A queen who has given AP. Dhobi is accused, he is
isolated, society looks at him with disdain as the man who has bought pain to
king and queen and their unborn child because of his parochial views. [/P]
[P]Just like the isolation of Mandira and those supported her
ways, Ram silences dhobi and his ilks with his supreme sacrifice.
Btw mandira means manthara right?

@savitha Di and as u said another loop has been opened with Janak and Sita and that will be closed when she enters Mother Earth. Wonderful analysis Di
Beautiful screenplay today. Janak is assured how much ram loves Sita and it was the same ram in mithila he met. So he will understand as raja what forced ram to take such a decision.
Hanuman won't be there when this happens is another loop opened.
Dhobi wife walks out and he comes out and speaks Ill about her. Heights go insecurity was shown.
Ram might not have been in luv and kush early years physically but his words day showed what a father he would be to his children.
Did anyone notice how kaikeyi face changes when ram tells hanuman on how a mother is the most important. Glad that the ayodha family doesn't discuss vanvas, Haran or AP.
They had let go of their past.

Edited by Cluny123 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Cluny123

@krishna-sourav if I am not mistaken u are rakhu. Do u really think change has not happened in ayodha it was perfect and the injustice was hidden and ram exposed it. Today isn't the injustice laid bare open in the so called perfection? A price a woman had to pay for getting acceptance from Praja as a queen not the husband who knew everything has happened once in history I guess maybe it did what had to be done in that Yuga and mb happened later.

I am not talking about that I am telling whatever happen in that era its happen till now ppl blame woman ...what Ram has done only few understand his work not much...
they mold Ram in their way ...use it their advantage only few get the real meaning of Hari n his Leela
m not talking about Ayodhya neither MB...
yup yuga wise may be that was good for that time...but my comment was not for that..
yes I am Rakhi..Hi...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Krishna_Sourav


I am not talking about that I am telling whatever happen in that era its happen till now ppl blame woman ...what Ram has done only few understand his work not much...
they mold Ram in their way ...use it their advantage only few get the real meaning of Hari n his Leela
m not talking about Ayodhya neither MB...
yup yuga wise may be that was good for that time...but my comment was not for that..
yes I am Rakhi..Hi...




Hi rakhi Di I agree total wrong interpretation they add their own colour to it and destroy the true spirit of Ramayan forever blaming ram
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Posted: 9 years ago
Detailed reply to your questions I will give next week. Currently busy.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Sure Di. Happy onam. God bless you. 😳
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Updated Chapter 83 Seven Vows . Read and Comment
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Posted: 9 years ago
SKR: Hard way and the smart way

I wanted to write this the time ram ravan battle was up but as it is "the speculative me" didn't allow me to plunge in further before understanding the connectivity *LOL*

Well this idea isn't mine. I happened to have heard this from a friend on coffee who is maybe as idealistic and practical as us. When things go haywire you only recall coffee and philosophy. *ROFL*

Without wasting any more time let me come to the point. What does the hard way and smart way mean. Well according to my friend, the smart way will lead you only second whereas the hard way will take you to the top. Further dwelling on this point I realized that majority of the successful population attributed their achievement to "hard work". I have till date never heard anyone say that smart work has led them to the top. Another backup for this point is again my discussion with another friend some years back.
"You can't expect quality without investing time". Quantity is as important as quality. If you go to the market, you'll come across good quality at high prices. With quality the value increases. So the price is high. Bargaining is an easy bait and not bad but expecting something extraordinary in a little amount is also unfair. I have seen ppl who desire good quality but cringe over every penny that they spend. One proverb that might go well is " No pain no gain". Even when you have to lose weight you have shortcuts: some pills, belts, syrups and what not. The other side options are: regular exercise and a balanced diet. The former is a smart way, latter being a hard way. Which do you prefer??

I classify Ram and Ravan in these two groups. Ram took the hard way and Ravan succumbed to smart way.

Winner was ultimately Ram.

But there comes an addition of Sahastra Ravan to which Ram loses. Again kaikasi and Vishwaras took the smart way but Sita ultimately killed their new formed progeny. I relate sahastra ravan with the Ravan of ppl's minds. The conception will ultimately be killed by Sita. But does this mean that Ram will lose?

The smart way of Ravan killed everyone, his kul, his ego, pride and dignity. The price of his ways had to be endured by his family and kingdom.

Agnipariksha was well shot. I was constantly reminded of Janaka here. Don't lose prove them wrong. Ram never doubted her but reminded himself of his "Raghukul" and "ayodhya". One mistake I feel he did was to make an issue in Lanka. His doubts, insecurities compelled Sita to give Agnipariksha. This was very good in short term but I feel this very step backfired in the long run. Wasn't agnipariksha an option in his kingdom? This insult might have saved Sita from the stain that she carried for years later for no fault of hers.

Bharat's love for his brother was evident and natural. But how could he forget his wife who also sacrificed these years?

Lakshmila's reunion was nice.

Ram's rajtilak was good. I had mentioned about ek anek philosophy in previous analysis so wouldn't repeat that. But what caught my attention were two words " Amavas" and "poornima". Clever!!!!

The lady suggests to light lamps as a symbol of their happiness and enlighten this night of " amavas".

On the other hand the dhobi says "poornima ka chaand ho toh usme daag adhik dikhte hai".

The Philosophy of perception began from here. Two ppl from the same society see things so differently. Well played cvs.

The lady was optimistic. The dhobi was pessimistic. That's the reason it is said perception is an individual art. It deals with an individual mind and not generic parameters. We have gotten into the habit of passing generic comments over everything even if that was against our ideals and beliefs. This takes me to the much sensitive issue of terrorism. And I ges the very reason I loved " My name is khan and am not a terrorist". Showing the reality is comparatively easier than portraying idealistic virtues. It takes a lot of guts to make the "ideal" convincing. And KJo takes the trophy with that movie. Your perceptions define your intellect, mind and heart. The judgment might point one finger to the other but it shows three fingers to yourself. SKR has done this part well. Even when its Ramayan they haven't kept things ideal. On the contrary they have given a balanced view of right and wrong.

Shruthi am so glad you brought out the topic of "perceptions". Its actually amusing yet amazing that we dealt with this topic in our stories and now SKR has shown it well. If you talk of EHT well I would really take up kahaani and drishyam. Both the movies played with that concept so well. No doubt that they were hits.

Hanuman's devotion is so pure and innocent. There's no stain in his mind. He shows what he feels. And the person concerned understands it so no big deal. I believe the same, if your point reaches the person who it may concern then let the others fly off. The same will happen with Sita. She knows that Ram doesn't doubt her. No one's perception has affected his. Instead he wants to change others' perception. But is that task easier? No. The reason that he wants Hus kids to be stronger than him is so justified. Ram will succumb to the doubts of his subjects without changing his perception. That's the biggest point. Sita will go to the forest without changing her perception of Ram. Now where will the things change? Its going to be luv kush. They both will make a point to show the praja their loopholes, by pointing at Ram's decision while narrating Ramayana they'll be questioning the praja's perception.

Well that's in the future but a beautiful parallel has been drawn here.

The dhobi who once fought for his daughter in the court and the society alleged her of being impure. Her being impure was the praja's perception. But see even when Shatrughna announced the decision in favor of the society he assured protection to the her. Now again there's such a similarity. The sabha was prophetic. It will play now. Shatrughna did announce the decision but he didn't let the praja's perception hamper his thoughts. He had the same respect for the girl as he had for others. Now again a similar thing will play out. Ram's decision will be affected but not his perception. It will sound as a small win-win for the dhobi as Sita will be banished but tables will turn with the golden statue of Sita that Ram will make. This is where Ram will win Shatrughna by a point. Shatrughna couldn't have made a golden statue or anything of the girl as she was praja and not his relation. If the father believed so much in his daughter he should have done something like this. Ram has an edge over him as Sita is very personal to him. The difference between dhobi and the brothers is that the dhobi allowed the society's perceptions to seep in his own mind which has now made him cynical about his wife.

"Suno sabki karo khud ki" is a very true saying but the hardest to apply.

Golden statue is Ram's choice

Providing protection was Shatrughna's choice. Its actually funny the super intelligent praja didn't question Shatrughna once that if he thot of girl as the culprit why give protection? And even the dhobi didn't understand his ruler which made him revengeful.

Janaka's re-entry was nice. I want the cvs to deal with the point of "if". What would have happened if Sita would have been in mithila through the dhobi chaos. Its a very potential point if used wisely through a dream sequence or smthn.

Valmiki's entry was also good. His vision of Sita dressed in saffron again is enough to give him sleepless nights.

The next episode will be interesting. Ram's nightmare coming true.



Edited by daydreamers - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Di from what I know with agnipariksha not happening in Lanka, Narayan leela might not have happened in ayodhya. As the question raised by luv kush would be how can u banish a woman who has done AP. The levels of hypocrisy that prevailed in ayodhya would be exposed. It was Sitas choice in Lanka and ayodha. I know u know this.
Fantastic analysis di. Loved ur take on dhobi, ram and shatrughn.
U and shruthi di have given 2 sides of dhobi as u said perception crept in dhobi and now he treats his wife like that.
Shruthi di had said parents karma affecting daughter, Smrithi cannot be changed the way dhobi thinks.
Hope my understanding is right.
And I think ram nightmare will come true slowly skr not goin to show her in vanvas clothes today itself as they have always been going slow with such important things😆
Shatrughn he did what was possibly right. Though if he hadn't we don't know how the reactions might have been. Yet injustice had happened in that layered society and ram will surely not be covering it up😃
Smart way is lot more easier but in the long run it is the hard way that succeeds.
It's like some theory with 20 percent effort u get 80 percent results. With the remaining 80 percent effort u get 100 percent result.

Edited by Cluny123 - 9 years ago
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