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Posted: 9 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

There is so little actual material on Sita and her sisters before marriage this could have been a great way to add some characterization given there is good creativity and make a believable story with the Characters. But the CVs failed magnificently in this.


My thoughts exactly - since there is such little information regarding Sita and her sisters before marriage, I am not totally against a little creative liberty to bring those characters alive, but it should be done authentically keeping the time period in mind. Urmila's behavior pre-maha episode and Mandavi's bratty/catty behavior is totally not in sync with the treta yuga. No woman of that era would have behaved in such a manner.

My only argument is, if Ram's brothers were such ideal men, why wouldn't Sita's sisters be ideal women? Ram and Sita's siblings were an image of them, and though they may have had differences in character, one being more or less outgoing than the other, they wouldn't behave like 21st century spoiled rich brats.

Creative liberty is fine as long as it remains authentic and believable.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#52
They could have built up beautiful characters of the 3 sisters.
to some extent they improved urmi.
Shruth silent types. But mandvi 👎🏼 . I was expecting strong women. I think writers got the term strong all wrong. Even sita.
But bharath well seems "dumb" founded all the time. The actors expressions are not helping either.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

There is so little actual material on Sita and her sisters before marriage this could have been a great way to add some characterization given there is good creativity and make a believable story with the Characters. But the CVs failed magnificently in this.

It is hard to believe as to how childish and immature Maandvi has been portrayed. Be it her complaint of not having 'the choice' afforded to Sita or her rejection of Bharath or the way she reacted to his apology.. Why would Maandvi think Bharath would be ready to marry her after such display? It looks like she gets to choose but Bharath has no such luxury! The hypocrisy of it all.

For once I agree with Chandrabhaga. Maandvi just goes around complaining and changing her mind..It is hard not to want to give her a whack!!

Why is it that all four brothers and sisters have to have a love story? Is it not ok for atleast one of these pairs to have a marriage based on the fact that it was ordained such?

BTW, in what way would have King Janak said no to Raja Dasharath if Maandvi had persisted? Shruthkeerthi and Urmila's marriage would have stopped if Maandvi was not married (She being the elder one to them). It was totally unnecessary to have this complication with Bharath and Maandvi.

The good thing was that Lakshman was extremely happy with the proposal and I do like how Ram looks out for Bharath at all times, protecting, counseling and guiding him. There was a very beautiful thread of loyalty, respect and love that all the four brothers shared and I like the fact that this is shown in subtle ways.
But will they kinda hurry up with the next ceremony instead of having a no-story turn to a drama for 2 days?

PS: The prediction of Sita's vanvaas by the fortune teller does get mentioned by Sita herself in Ramayan. She quotes this incident to explain to Shri Ram how she would not be afraid of the jungle because she had already thought about it and had decided that she would like it in a forest with its tranquility. I am hoping that this is just a lead up to later and does not cause any unnecessary drama like today.



Actually, I've enjoyed Mandavi being the X-factor in all of this - throwing in more mystery in this than was in the original. To that end, I'm a tad disappointed that she changed her opinion so easily & quickly - was hoping to have her hold out for at least a week, even go thru some last minute changes of mind - but no such luck 😈

However, the epic is nebulous about whether Lakshman or Bharat is the older of the 2. Nonetheless, even if Mandavi withdrew herself from the marriage proposal, that would only affect Shrutakirti. Urmila, being Seeradhwaj's daughter, just needed Sita to be married, regardless of whether Mandavi got married or not. Shrutakirti would have been blocked had Mandavi not gotten married, since both were Kushadhwaj's daughters. Of course, it's an open question whether Lakshman could have married if Bharat didn't.

One more thing that struck me - in the episode, Janak telling Dasharath that he was worried about his daughters not being together after marriage. Why would that have been an issue then? If that was important to him, all he would have needed to do would be to offer all 4 of them to whoever Sita married, if there weren't 4 brothers involved. Usually, in that era, there were 2 schools of thought that kings followed if they had multiple daughters/nieces. Either they would try to spread them out and get as many kingdoms involved in matrimonial alliances, or they would want to send them all into a single family to keep them together. But since polygamy was not unusual - heck, Dasharath himself had 353 wives - keeping the 4 girls together would have been no big deal for Janak.

P.S. Incidentally, is Kushadhwaj's wife named in the original epic? I don't recall the name 'Chandrabhaga'. In RS Ramayan, Sita had a friend Chandraprabha, but that was about it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#54
^^ if by the epic you're referring to Valmiki, it doesn't even name sita's mother - Sunaina and a handful of other names come up in later versions.

As far as Mandavi and Bharat's "romance", it's not going anywhere I hoped it would. I am certainly not opposed to romance in mythos as long as it's not all that there is to it - more about that in the shringaar ras thread maybe. You could certainly have a very interesting, fun to watch romance between a boisterous, confident mandavi and a shy, hesitant Bharat without tropes like bumping into each other, rejection and realization of your feelings *just* when the guy literally/figuratively is going to walk away from the relationship. The simple dialogue from mandavi in the end about how they complement each other in their differences was great, and to see this highlighted in normal, non-made for tv situations to lead to that realization would've been far more romantic, entertaining, and insightful, at least for me. For example, Ram's initial attraction to Sita at vishwamitra's ashram, or rather to the effect she had on its residents. Of course I know that this is completely fabricated, but still, this is what made me start watching the show again after the shanta track turned me off. It was kind of subtle, in character, and free of typical messages/gestures I could turn to a soap or social drama for (except the constant almost-meetings that brought that track to a close). In an age when tv writers/producers pay so much attention to the audience's reactions on social media, I wish we were in conveying higher expectations.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#55
I don't want there to be a romance AT ALL. I want Mandavi to play hard to get, and Ram, Lakshman and Shatrughan to be the 3 to return to Ayodhya married, while Bharat is still unmarried. That should make Manthara irritated and she should make Kaikeyi send Bharat to invade Mithila/Saamkaasha and force Kushadhwaj to surrender Mandavi in marriage. Then turn the entire conversation to how unfair it was in those days that weaker kingdoms had to surrender their princesses to the princes of stronger kingdoms and humiliate themselves, denying their princesses the loves of their lives, and have a vengeful Mandavi plot against Kaikeyi and Manthara all the time. After Rama's exile, have Mandavi win Bharat's support, since they'd both be sharing a hatred of Kaikeyi, and then show Mandavi torture both Kaikeyi and Manthara throughout the 14 years 😈

It would be a treat to watch 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
#56
Vrish😆.
And please do continue the chronicles.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#57
^^^^Manuscripts!!! The chronicles are Priyamvada's, the manuscripts Manthara's 😈😆

Yeah, I'm waiting for another episode or 2 before I can come up w/ a good twist to the Bhandavi relationship 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Oops yep manuscripts. Hope I can interject a ravan manth. I already did one. Itching to write another. Hope u don't mind me jumping in
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^^ Oh, please do!!! I'll add it to the ToC
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Posted: 9 years ago
#60

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


My only argument is, if Ram's brothers were such ideal men, why wouldn't Sita's sisters be ideal women? Ram and Sita's siblings were an image of them, and though they may have had differences in character, one being more or less outgoing than the other, they wouldn't behave like 21st century spoiled rich brats.

Creative liberty is fine as long as it remains authentic and believable.



Absolutely agree👏
IMHO the CVs have been extremely unfair to the sisters characterization since beginning. I guess having enough material, they could not completely destroy the way Ram and his brothers were characterized, and hence we are saved from more ridiculous characterization.

Lets take the news of Sita's birth breaking to the sisters.. While the CVs managed to make something that was divine as something bad in this version (with all the taunts of orphan and what not), the way they never closed this loop with the sisters is jarring.

We had 2 instances where the 3 girls get to know Sita's birth. The first instance, they made Maandvi treat the news in jest. The second time the girls know it from Raavan and after that there is no reaction. One would think that as close as these 4 were, there would atleast be a heart-to-heart and some closure to show their bond and its strength. I mean.. how are we supposed to understand the depth of the sister's love for each other if they do not have anything substantial to say to each other?

Their characters have been so inconsistent that you have them callously take the name of various kings during Swayamvar and also tease each other with the Ayodhya princes and then suddenly a few days later, they are spouting dialogues about the meaning of Marriage and milan (this scene basically to show how Dasharath gets impressed), That is just bad writing.

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