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Posted: 9 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I don't want there to be a romance AT ALL. I want Mandavi to play hard to get, and Ram, Lakshman and Shatrughan to be the 3 to return to Ayodhya married, while Bharat is still unmarried. That should make Manthara irritated and she should make Kaikeyi send Bharat to invade Mithila/Saamkaasha and force Kushadhwaj to surrender Mandavi in marriage. Then turn the entire conversation to how unfair it was in those days that weaker kingdoms had to surrender their princesses to the princes of stronger kingdoms and humiliate themselves, denying their princesses the loves of their lives, and have a vengeful Mandavi plot against Kaikeyi and Manthara all the time. After Rama's exile, have Mandavi win Bharat's support, since they'd both be sharing a hatred of Kaikeyi, and then show Mandavi torture both Kaikeyi and Manthara throughout the 14 years 😈

It would be a treat to watch 😆



😆 This is just so good 😈
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Posted: 9 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: ---Anu---



Yes, he is also supposed to dress up like a king only. But as u said, it is mostly done to point out a difference between both the men. While one is all about Taat-baat and shaan, the other is all about prakriti and simplicity.

Janak, in reality, was known as a RajRishi. The makers took to this get up to highlight his 'Rishi' side.



So this is one of my big beefs with the show. Janak was indeed referred to as a Rajrishi, but not because of his stance on superficial things like clothing or social issues like marriage. He earned the title because of his Vedic knowledge. The kind of knowledge that grants you the same-sightedness to not see gross dualities like rich/poor, simple/grand, liberal/conservative, etc. It is very typical of Devdutt Pattnaik, and therefore expected of this show I guess, to indulge in that kind of oversimplification - everyone exists as a foil to someone else, an approach that works well for literature but kind of drains all the ras out of scripture.

By introducing these pairs of opposites and oversimplifying the characters (particularly Janak vs. Dashrath and Mithila vs. Ayodhya), they are actually reducing Janak's true wisdom into the kind of skin-deep sense of virtue that leads to pride - the kind that makes the maala-jap'ing buas (I forget what that one's name was in IPKKND - the one who was obsessed with Nandkishore 😆- think of her)and grandmas in ordinary soaps look down on other characters for not being as outwardly simple/"spiritual" as they are. True Janak's wisdom was the kind that opens your eyes to that which isn't as it seems - the good-heartedness in the garb of a king (Dashrath), the materialism dressed as a sage (Sunaina's brothers). Or in context of the actual story, the sage in the guise of a demon (e.g. Vibhishan), the demon in the guise of a sage (e.g. Ravan). Had those arrogant ministers from Ayodhya actually existed, the real Janak wouldn't even have noticed, let alone felt bad about their behavior. That's what makes you a Rajrishi, not spouting whatever 21st century social message the CVs want to put forth through you this week (whether or not it was an issue in Treta Yug).

Speaking of oversimplification and the trading of scriptural wisdom for contemporary messages, the whole Gargi and Yagyavalkya debate - yes she's an AWESOME character worth showcasing, and yes having Sita witness and draw inspiration from the gyaan sabhas attributed to Janak in the Upanishads (even if Janak was a title and it wasn't necessarily the same Janak in all those events) was a novel idea. But why the hell would their entire argument rest on her asking him to defend his matrimony/polygamy in a gyaan sabha🤣Granted the actual debate on the nature of the Brahma and the cosmology of the universe is too much for most people to understand, let alone sit through on TV, but it could still be philosophical in nature rather than social. Changing the entire genre of their conversation, and in general making the majority the "lessons learned" from the show social/cultural rather than emotional/spiritual contradicts the universal and timeless quality of the scripture.


Edit: For a sample of Janak's wisdom, here's how Vashisht describes his moment of awakening after meditation, when he actually became a Rajrishi: ""'I know nothing,' he rejoiced, 'but my immaculate divine wisdom, the realization of my Self. I shall neither seek nor turn from any object in this world. I shall remain constant in my divine Self."
Edited by MagadhSundari - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1



Absolutely agree👏
IMHO the CVs have been extremely unfair to the sisters characterization since beginning. I guess having enough material, they could not completely destroy the way Ram and his brothers were characterized, and hence we are saved from more ridiculous characterization.



Lol they kind of made me nervous when about the brothers during the teen years, when after returning from Gurukul, Bharat seems to have an inferiority complex towards Ram. He even seems to begrudge the attention that Ram gets from the parents. Fortunately, they seem to have fixed that after bringing in the older actors, but it's yet another example of inconsistent writing that changes without being resolved because it was a bad idea to write it wrong in the first place, much like fictitious adopted child controversy that should never have been included to begin with. Not only are the sisters' reactions to it a loose end that's been left hanging, but even Sita's behavior in that arc was inconsistent with her portrayal now - in the sense that how could she, who has retained knowledge of her divinity to recognize Parvati at her haldi ceremony, have ever reacted that way to finding out she was adopted and needing to be told that those who nurtured her are her parents?

Speaking of inconsistencies, what will stop this crusader Sita who speaks up for her sister's right to a love marriage from speaking up against her father-in-law about her husband's unfair exile? And if she does that, how will she resemble the Sita who is known for being as accepting and tolerant as the Earth she emerged from? Isn't that the message of both Sita's and Ram's lives? Questioning and demanding rational explanations is one thing, and I totally get writing a Sita who exhibits that inquisitiveness. But there was much more to her and if you lean too heavily in on one dimension of her personality, you risk compromising the rest.
Edited by MagadhSundari - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#64
@MS - you have hit the nail in the head on both the issue of oversimplification and the inconsistent characterizations.
On an average, every serial written in recent years have a trend. To show something as good, the other side of it is portrayed wrong just to suit narratives in certain situations even if their characters would never have behaved so. It goes to the extent where the writers lose sight of the damage they create to the overall characterizations which becomes inconsistent.SKR is no exception.

That is why we are shown a completely fabricated story of Shanta to show how on the contrary Raja Janaki was happy with only daughters
Bharath is shown 'weak' initially and sent to Kaikeyi to become a 'man' to show Ram as the better one.

These are just samples.
Every character has been doing things inconsistently at some point or the other to suit the drama.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1


Absolutely agree👏
IMHO the CVs have been extremely unfair to the sisters characterization since beginning. I guess having enough material, they could not completely destroy the way Ram and his brothers were characterized, and hence we are saved from more ridiculous characterization.

Lets take the news of Sita's birth breaking to the sisters.. While the CVs managed to make something that was divine as something bad in this version (with all the taunts of orphan and what not), the way they never closed this loop with the sisters is jarring.

We had 2 instances where the 3 girls get to know Sita's birth. The first instance, they made Maandvi treat the news in jest. The second time the girls know it from Raavan and after that there is no reaction. One would think that as close as these 4 were, there would atleast be a heart-to-heart and some closure to show their bond and its strength. I mean.. how are we supposed to understand the depth of the sister's love for each other if they do not have anything substantial to say to each other?

Their characters have been so inconsistent that you have them callously take the name of various kings during Swayamvar and also tease each other with the Ayodhya princes and then suddenly a few days later, they are spouting dialogues about the meaning of Marriage and milan (this scene basically to show how Dasharath gets impressed), That is just bad writing.


@bold - Incidentally, those dialogues belong to the show's female lead alone.😆 What had me in splits is the way those dialogues were distributed like some prasad! 😆That was all the more lame, IMO.
I thought, since the sisters were appointed as 'vidhikaris', there would be some scenes where Dasharath would be shown to be impressed by their work. But no! It was all of a sudden and looked forced.

Harini, I guess u are forgetting the 3rd instance. The marriage card scene between Janak and Sita. She clearly states about her being born of Bhoomi while praising Janak. Even then, the sisters' reactions are not at all covered. It looks as if they turned a deaf ear.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#66
did vishvakarma realy made the vivahmandapa of ram sita?
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Posted: 9 years ago
#67
^^ not as per Valmiki Ramayan
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Posted: 9 years ago
#68
Not only in Valmiki Ramayan, I don't think Vishvakarma makes an appearance in most versions of Ramayan. He appeared more in Mahabharat, as there was a need for him there.

In Ramayan, Janak was rich enough to build a vivaah mandap for the four couples. SKR makes it seem like he was the poorest king of the land, as per the dialogue Shatanand makes, "where can we find a gold urn in Mithila". Like really? Mithila was so poor it couldn't afford a gold urn? 😆 The vivah mandap was not such a big deal that Vishvakarma had to be called to build it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#69
Even the prediction part
According to me,I don't think Sita or anyone from Mithila ever knew that...
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Posted: 9 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: Mnp279

Even the prediction part

According to me,I don't think Sita or anyone from Mithila ever knew that...


Sita actually mentions she was foretold about vanvaas at her parents home when she is convincing Ram about accompanying him to the forest. She mentions that she actually looked forward to the stay because she felt it would be tranquil.

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