I want Mata Kaikeyi to see Mithila through my eyes-Ram

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avalonhigh1234

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Posted: 9 years ago

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I love your posts Shruthi, the topic is always relevant and are an attempt to make our corner of the world a better place. In all the parent-child conflicts the major components seem to be an inability to communicate one's views clearly to the other as well as bringing individual prejudices to the table. It is only our intractability and ego which destroys all the finer feelings and pushes both,the parents and their children to extremes.Often in these type of conflicts there does not seem to be a right or wrong angle.As I am both a daughter as well a mom,I just hope that the value which were instilled in me by my parents are passed on to my children.

Well coming to the episode,based on the assumption that a parent know their child best...maybe Sita's questions did have a purpose beyond a certain need for approval from her beloved Ram. She perhaps probed his reaction to the spicy dish as a metaphor for the mistakes committed knowingly or unknowingly by her, in the future...The way he reacted with gentleness and love probably went a long way to assuage her fears.

I found the scene to be very profound ,when viewed from this angle.

Bharat was quite endearing both in his love for his brother and a complete trust in his motives.

{though in the modern concept...I do agree with Kaikeyi's comment about faith and blind faith}Urmila continues to make us love her more with each episode.

About Ravan and Manthra...nothing to say except evil exists eternally...

Loving the way messages are encapsulated in the episodes!

Savita

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deejagi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@ Shruthi, but if they are so sure that marriage will not accepted, then what is the point in getting married when none of the parents neither from boys family nor from girls family are happy and are against the marriage, will you be happy with elopement? will you not miss them? will you be able to keep your life partner happy even without her or his parents and family? Will you be able to fill all those void points in their life? So what would have been happy marriage will turn out to a disaster later after initial few days or months and the couple will start feeling the heat of the responsibility. During the love phase whatever qualities have been liked and appreciated will look as huge drawbacks later and they will have one to advise them on the shortcomings. So it is better for the lovers to think many times before taking the huge step on getting married.

The lover boy will change into an husband but he will still miss the pampers he used to get from his mother and all those small helps from his siblings, so he expects all those from his wife. While the carefree girl she was back home will turbn out to be a home maker and all those added responsibilities and demands from husband (being a lover, he would have been the one receiving orders but the moment they marry things change) will tear her apart and she will miss her mom ho used to mouth feed her and the father who would have provide all her wish list even before she uttered. So with added responsibility, they will add their tantrum list against each other and that some times turn nasty and with spur of a moment they will part ways? If this is supposed to be the out come of that rebellious act of your love and marriage whom did you make happy with that decision? neither you, nor your partner nor any of your parents? then what?

Yes, I know love jus happens and it doesn't ask for permission but the marriage doesn't happen like that? So it is better to be cautious before taking your relationship to the next level. It is not just the two of you but 2 whole families will suffer the brunt of your action. If there is an unmarried girl in the family, then her future will be at stake? Your parents will not have the same respect they were receiving till such time you take the major decision. So yes, it is your life and you are the soul person to take charge of it and live it as you like but who are you to rewrite your siblings future? Why should they face the wrath of society for your happiness?

Yes love is blind and it happens but your are not blind to the society or your surrounding and your upbringing? So why test the Sun for its hotness? Before nurturing the feelings for marriage and togetherness for life, why can't you sit and analyze the situation and you will know about your parents decision, so why do you give assurance to your lover? Why can't you think twice before continuing your love or affair with the other person whom you claim to love? If you feel that love is eternal, what is the love for your parents and siblings? Is it not eternal? If you can leave the whole family for one person, can't you do the same for your family? So all I can say is that before taking hasty decision on love and marriage, think about the possibilities of heart break on later stage which may hurt you and your people more. Then decide on your further steps. Every relationship need not be love and end with marriage. You can still be good and platinic friends who share great bond.

sorry if I have hurt any ones feelings with my rant. But still I advice, love is not bad but should be practical before committing yourself to someone, think about the reactions you may receive and if you are confident to win over the rebels, then please go ahead but otherwise, please pinch it at the bud before it hurts more.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@Savitha though I agree to Kaikeyi on faith and blind faith logically, the point where Bharat's blind faith is delivered is when Ram goes for Vanvass.

I always believe if Ram had listened to anyone else Dasrath or the ministers who adviced him he doesn't have the obligation to go for vanvass, I will always say more than the word of his father, it was the trust of his brother he might have broken. Because if you look if Ram had listened to anyone else Kaikeyi might have won as she could have told Bharath look when it came to power, your brother didn't think of honoring your father's word. Then the brother's would have had MU and they might have ended up fighting for power. Just like Bali and Sugreev. But taking Vanvass, Ram got power in a much peaceful and accepted manner.

See Bharat's trust might be based on certain actions of his brother. His brother who took the blame for them. His brother who was always there to protect him. His brother who always understood his intrinsic talent. Even Kaikeyi trusted Ram, till the Bhoot of coronation for Bharat came up and her dissatisfaction with Dasrath took her away from Ram.

In real life it is very important whom we choose to trust and it is much more important to deliver on the trust kept on us. Even that means taking some pains, you will never regret.

And I liked your take on spicy food. Yes it looks profound when seen from such perspective.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@Jaya I completely agree to each and every point you raised. And you have put forth all the practical difficulties once the lovers become husband and wife. Especially getting good alliance for a sibling especially a girl is very true.

But honor killings are something I don't know what to say about it. See if you know your partner might be killed, for me the true love will be to let go of the partner so that he or she can have a life. And if you are a parent if you have problem, let the child go for the moment and live. Allow time to heal things. But then I don't know psychologically what to say about it. Maybe these people cannot stay apart, maybe parents cannot take broken expectation and status in society. 😕. I cant explain them as I don't understand murdering in the first place for falling in love.

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mnx12

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@ deejagi,
I, at times find Sat & Treta Yuga values, ideas much ahead of our Kali yuga ideas. What we are thinking today was already prevailing at that time.
Swayamvar used to give the girl, a right to choose her life partner. After the swayamvar gets over, no body used to think if mother of the guy will approve of this match or no. Once the condition of the swayamvar were fulfilled, it would lead to marriage.
Kaikeyi in Ramayan never acted like the way it is shown here. So there was'nt a need for daily show's saas- bahu, acceptance & rejection track here. But we are trying to accept whatever is shown, then the pov should be of that era, not of today's time.
During that time among kings, polygamy was accepted. Kings, princes used to attend swayamvar for political reasons too. Their responsibality as a king was much bigger then getting a wife of their mother's choice.
It was more among normal people, where family used to choose bride or groom for their children.
Your pt is applicable for normal people. For Royal families criteria was different.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@Meena I agree to you that Sat and Treta were much ahead of our times in terms of values and culture. Unfortunately not many understand those values. So to make even common people understand the values some dialogues help.

It is not about accepting, rejecting. It is about how Ram stood for the values. The original Ramayana need not be explicit about values because maybe people who read it knew it without even telling.

But today when knowledge is so much eroded and there are so many conflicts, using Ramayana as a medium to deliver value needed for the present society needs to be appreciated.

Whether it is a story, movie or a show becomes classic and survives the test of time is because whatever depicted in them is relevant even to the present time. If it does not hold relevance people will forget it.

All our epics are still relevant because of this factor only. The learnings in them are still relevant. The path Ram and Sita walked can be walked even today if you understand their path and try to apply it in your life. For that you need to look at their path with respect to present times.

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avalonhigh1234

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Posted: 9 years ago

#27

True Shruthi

Bharat's relationship with Ram is like that of a devotee with his aradhdaya. Ram had to go for the vanvass for his devotee. Lord Vishnu is called bhakt vatsala'isn't he? Look at Krishna too...uncaring of his own reputation he always stood by the people who loved him and also walked the extra mile for them.When Vidur's wife gave him banana peel he ate it too with a smile...whatever epithets people gave him...'makhan chor',Ranchod'Chaliya',he accepted with his heart. If Vishnu could do it for normal people like us, Bharat after all ,was his sudarshan.

Savita

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deejagi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: mnx12
@ deejagi,
I, at times find Sat & Treta Yuga values, ideas much ahead of our Kali yuga ideas. What we are thinking today was already prevailing at that time.
Swayamvar used to give the girl, a right to choose her life partner. After the swayamvar gets over, no body used to think if mother of the guy will approve of this match or no. Once the condition of the swayamvar were fulfilled, it would lead to marriage.
Kaikeyi in Ramayan never acted like the way it is shown here. So there was'nt a need for daily show's saas- bahu, acceptance & rejection track here. But we are trying to accept whatever is shown, then the pov should be of that era, not of today's time.
During that time among kings, polygamy was accepted. Kings, princes used to attend swayamvar for political reasons too. Their responsibality as a king was much bigger then getting a wife of their mother's choice.
It was more among normal people, where family used to choose bride or groom for their children.
Your pt is applicable for normal people. For Royal families criteria was different.

Yes true, the mother had no say after the swayamvar and that happens when the boy has gone and attended the Swayamvar with his parents blessings. here Ram was not given the permission to attend the swayamvar by his parents and that was the reason why he asked King Janak to obtain his parents nod before plan for wedding. If we go by the Swayamvar rule, there was no need for Ram to seek permission from his parents, he could have got married and brought home his bride and introduced her to the family.

Ayodhya had refused the invite from Mithila for the Swayamvar as they didn't wanted their son to attend get married to princess of Mithila. If they wanted, it w asnot so difficult for them to send a messenger to Rishi Vishwamithra's ashram and ordered Ram to attend the swayamvar.

Mother is a mother be it a queen or a ordinary citizen, and son is a son be him be a king or soldier. If the king goes against his mother's wish, how can he expect his subjects to be cordial to their parents? Yes, I do agree, polygamy was practiced in those days and was accepted in royal family but no where it was shown that the king will seek his parents approval for his marriage with any girl in a marriage for political reasons? here also, as per the swayamvar rules, ram has won the swayamvar and he has accepted the Varmala or Jaimal from Sita and then how did he requested King Janak to seek his father's permission for marriage? If ram has the right to seek permission, what is wrong in Kaikeyi feel the same need to stop his marriage? There was no need for King Janak to send a messenger to seek permission ans attendance of Ayodhya family as Ram was bound to marry his daughter after his participation and winning the contest. But still he did

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@Savitha you said the most important point. Bharath is Vishnu's Sudharsan. His most destructive weapon. It should destroy only what Vishnu feels should be destroyed. It is always in Vishnu's command. Imagine if Sudharsan is not in Vishnu's command

As a human to ensure the brother who can have the potential to bring in destruction if left uncontrolled, with love he keeps his brother under his command so that only the pride of Dasrath and Kaikeyi is destroyed, nothing else.

Yes Krishna has taken a lot of blame for his devotees. The best being taking the curse from Gandhari for the war even then protecting the Pandavas who trusted him. The one who told he will not take weapon, took his weapon to hide the sun on 14th day of the war for protecting his friend, who trusted him blindly and choose him over and above his power and wealth. No word was above Arjun safety was for Krishna.

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mnx12

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Posted: 9 years ago

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^^ They had already shown, Dashrath discussing with rishi Vashishta, it'll be a honour for him to accept Janak's daughter for him. Dashrath always listens, respects rishi Vashishta's opinions. This was when they got the news of Ram freeing Ahilya from the curse. Dashrath had told rishi Vashistha, he wanted to send a message to rishi Vishwamitra, about taking Ram, Lakshman to Mithila & participate in the Swayamvar.
So rejecting the swayamvar invitation, rules out here.

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