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Ramyalaxmi

@Ramyalaxmi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: fatssrilanka

What is suryavamsam, chandravamsam , navami and ashtami ?

@Fatema: Shruthi explained vamsam well to know more have a look of the link

http://ancientindians.in/2009/12/26/surya-vamsa-and-chandra-vamsa/

Coming to Ashtami, its the 8th day from both the new moon and fullmoon day. Similarly navami is 9th day from both full moon and new moon. These two days, mostly 4 days in a month along with prathamai (first day from new moon and full moon) are considered as bad days to initiate any new work. This is our practice.

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Suseendran

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Posted: 9 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa
Krishna is not from chandravamsham

yes.I can understand because Yayathi noted in Surya vamsha.yayathi had 5 sons.5th son pooru was ancestor of pandavas and Kauravas. but some versions telling Yayathi belongs to lunar dynasty. his first yathu was ancestor of Yathavas (Krishna belongs to) , last son Pooru and his dynasty ruled Asthinapura.

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Ramyalaxmi

@Ramyalaxmi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#33

@Shruthi: Beautiful explanation. I am in travel. Join ur discussion soon.

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Suseendran

@iDea-yeS-viruS

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Posted: 9 years ago

#34

Arijit Vastra Haran was injustice. no one should deny that. but what I can't digest is all other atrocities put under carpet of 'Vastra Haran'. I'll make complete post later.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#35

@Shanti not swayamvar as such. But there are many aspects of Ramayan that is misused mostly Agnipareeksha and Sita Banishment.Ram's obedience towards his parents is put on many a good guy of today who wants to support his wife as Joru Ka Ghulam. I as a person have many personal instances where I have seen the misuse of epic, in addition to that have seen enough movies and shows where a dumb man is equated to Rama and a doormat cry baby who takes any rubbish thrown at her as Sita.

I am a woman who have grown fighting patriarichy in every step of her life to reach where I am. I have worked double hard, triple hard to prove my worthiness in pursue my ambitions. And in each of the step, to each of the question I raised this epic was used to push me back in various ways. And numerous movies and shows glorify a dumb man as Ram and a cry baby door mat as Sita. So if a change had to come in the way society sees Ram and Sita, from Ram and Sita the idea of Ram and Sita has to emerge. And for me CVs are doing a good job with that idea so far. I hope I am clear. if not we can agree to disagree on this.

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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

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Posted: 9 years ago

#36

@idea-yes-virus,

See, the problem is that you are comparing two totally different events. How can you compare a molestation with a case of name calling? This is exactly the same mistake Karna made. He tried to justify his behavior in the vastra haran because Draupadi called him 'suta putra', but both events cannot be compared at all. Draupadi's behavior was not a crime, but a mistake. How many of us haven't taken part in some form of name-calling throughout our lifetime? I challenge any one of you to come up and say "I have never called someone a bad name". I'm not saying it's right, but it's a mistake we've all made because none of us is perfect.

However, I'm sure (and I really hope) none of us has taken part in an act of molestation against a man or woman! Molestation and rape are crimes, not mere mistakes.

So we cannot compare Draupadi and Karna. Why did Krishna always support and protect Draupadi? That's because though she made a few mistakes in her lifetime, though she may have been proud at times, she did not commit any outright crimes. Her heart was in the right place. God forgives the mistakes of their devotees, but he does not forgive crimes, and that's why Karna and Duryodhana had to die during the war. They committed crimes, not mistakes.

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Janaki

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Posted: 9 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Shanti not swayamvar as such. Mostly I will say Agnipareeksha and Sita Banishment, but Ram's obedience towards his parents is put on many a good guy of today who wants to support his wife as Joru Ka Ghulam. I as a person have many personal instances where I have seen the misuse of epic, in addition to that have seen enough movies and shows where a dumb man is equated to Rama and a doormat cry baby who takes any rubbish thrown at her as Sita.

If ignorant people don't have the ability to understand the epic and its characters, then it's not the fault of the epic but the ignorance of society itself.

Ram always obeyed his parents, but it was never at the expense of being unjut to Sita. I mean, there are no accounts of him neglecting Sita to serve his parents. He fulfilled his duty to both respectively.

So for in-laws to encourage their son to ignore his wife in favor of obeying them by citing Ram makes no sense at all. It means they do not know Ram at all, and their DIL should tell them to go read Ramayana.

Moreover, if a dumb man is equated to Ram and a doormat to Sita, then people should read Ramayan definitely (I won't say reread because I doubt they ever read it in the first place)! Ram was no dumb man in the epic and Sita was no doormat.

The problem is, I feel, that so few people actually read the epic! Most people just depend on their parents and grandparents for the story, but I'm sorry to say, that's not enough because the story has been changed and molded so much due to hearsay. Many people dislike the characters of Ram and Sita due to what they heard from their family, and that's not good.

If we're confused about historical events, we go to a book (or to google I guess, lol). So why don't we go to the book when we have questions about the Ramayana? Sure, read regional versions also if you like, but read Valmiki Ramayana first! All the questions people have will be cleared.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#38

@janaki agree to you. Panchali did a mistake. Also we need to look at the circumstance she did it. Krishna directs her to exercise her choice. It was a spur on the moment decision.She speaks what comes to her mind first. She acts without thinking. And another thing why Karna should be ashamed of being called Suta putra. Why he should reject his identity. Fact is if you cannot be true to your identity, you cannot be true to yourself.

And laughing on Duryodhan. Again I will ask the same question Janaki asked. How many of us has not laughed when faced with a situation Panchali faced with Duryodhan. We also laugh. Someone so proud comes and then fumbles all along anyone will make merry. We are humans, mistakes happen from us. It's a fact.

But for that to drag a woman and disrobe her in a public hall full of men, calling her prostitute. if you ask Draupadi had the right to call him Suta Putra based on the info she had at that point, though she shouldnt have . That was the truth. Karna was behaving like a man who cant take truth.

But Draupadi was not prostitute. She was married as per Vedic rituals to 5 Pandavas. There were strict rules among brothers on sharing Draupadi. The Pandavas respected her a lot. That marriage was accepted in society as well as the among the elders of the Kuruvansh. So she was not a prostitute. She was the Lakshmi of Kuruvansh. Dragging and disrobing the Kul Lakshmi of your family is never the right way of showing dissent with whatever mistakes she has done.

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pasumarthisa

@pasumarthisa

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Posted: 9 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Shanti not swayamvar as such. But there are many aspects of Ramayan that is misused. I am a woman who have grown fighting patriarichy in every step of her life to reach where I am. I have worked double hard, triple hard to prove my worthiness in pursue my ambitions. And in each of the step, to each of the question I raised this epic was used to push me back in various ways. And numerous movies and shows glorify a dumb man as Ram and a cry baby door mat as Sita. So if a change had to come in the way society sees Ram and Sita, from Ram and Sita the idea of Ram and Sita has to emerge. And for me CVs are doing a good job with that idea so far. I hope I am clear. if not we can agree to disagree on this.

If Ramayana is cause of all this, then society is moving ahead inspite of this. And that means Ramayana could have been used as a pointer to what was wrong. It is a product of time. We can't change that. Times are different now right?

Of course we can disagree.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#40

@Shanti there is a lot of things wrong with today's society. We are dealing with extremes, whereas our epics dealt with balance. Always balance between Prakriti and Purush. This balance is so very evident in both Ramayana and Mahabharata which is still relevant. Only thing is that we need to connect these things properly from the epic on how it can be used for present day circumstances

@janaki it is easy to tell go and read. But that doesnt solve the matter. We are a country where atleast 40% illiterate. And remaining 60% literate ones may be 15-20% will have the wisdom to search, understand the underlying principle. Remaining will do things as per hearsay. They get exploited in the name of rituals, of the fear of offending their God Ram and Goddess Sita. That is the ground reality. A visual speaks 1000 times more than a letter. It reaches faster. So if a Ram can mouth a dialogue about woman's choice, it might reach a rural home. It might change one man's view towards woman. It might make him introspect and maybe we never know. Maybe one woman might be saved from acid attack.And that one change if you can achieve, the gradual process will happen. Because people rever Ram. What is harm in spreading the social awareness through him, through the story relevant to our times.

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