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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: FieryHeart

Nice post Shruthi 👏 Well about Ram not asking permission, I didn feel there anything wrong in it. By lifting that dhanush he proved his mettle, not his worthiness to win her hand. So he asked her his permission. Had she said NO he would have backed off.

Be that as it may, I still hate Rama for banishing his wife. I am wondering how they will justify it in the show since they have shown Rama as a person who goes against social norms. Then how could he succumb to it to an extent he could not distinguish between right and wrong? He was the same person who fought for an animal. Then how could he do that to his wife?

Coming to Mahabharata, I agree what happened with Draupadi was very bad. Blasphemous if u ask me. But who gave Draupadi the right to hurl insults at others? She wanted to reject Karna so be it. Was she right to insult his parentage? NO. No matter what Duryodhana had done, and I agree Dritarashtra was no saint but what gave her the right to insult him? In some versions, it is mentioned Draupadi made that taunt but in some others it was her maid but instead of reprimanding her maid she laughed along with her. Was she right on both accounts? I agree her vastraharan was not justified at all but in the same way her actions werent either. SP Mahabharata was the worst rendering of the epic and I wished anyone would sue the makers for spoiling that epic. The Pandavs were portrayed as saints and Kauravs as evil monsters. I wont deny Kauravs were evil but they had few good qualities even. For instance Duryodhan Karna friendship. The makers of SP screwed that so badly I felt like chucking something at my TV for that 😆 Let me not speak about SP Mahabharata anymore coz I will only curse it 🤣 Except for Pooja Sharma the actress who played Draupadi I didn like any other actor. For me BR Chopra Mahabharat will be epic and that was the only Mahabharat version that was close to the actual epic.

I am also very curious to see how the makers of the show will justify banishment of Sita by Ram that too when Sita was pregnant. 😭


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice post, Shruti. I didn't find anything wrong when Ram didn't ask Sita's permission for lifting the dhanush. I loved when he said Sita has a right to reject him. I hope this message is clear to those men who think a woman is his private property. When a woman refuses to marry a man he goes on a revenge spree, either by throwing acid or molestation. It's high these men learn something from these epics.
Coming to MB I wouldn't like to comment on Starbharat since I haven't watched the earlier MB. All I would like to say is when a woman insults a man does he get a licence to molest her? Karan instigated Duryodhan to drag Draupadi and called her a vyshya was that justified? So, then nowadays men are hurling insults a woman everywhere. Does it means even woman should go all out and do a man's vastraharan in front of whole public.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: fatssrilanka

All I would like to say is when a woman insults a man does he get a licence to molest her?.[/I][/B]</font>[/DIV]

definitely, not. But my question is will molestation justify her insult? both are crimes nah? first one is smaller than second. When people accusing Duryodhana and Karn, why they aren't not uttering single complaint against Draupadi. if she has right to reject, Then In MB Duryodhana justified all Vastra Haran conducted based rights. No one in that court couldn't give Logical explanation to show Vastra Haran is wrong though they knew it's immoral. When comes to Draupadi, we prefer rights than morals, but while it comes to Duryodhana ,we prefer morals than rights. in MB, every character(including Krishna) did mistake and got punishment for that. Here why should one try to prove their favorite is sinless. Why should one try to pose some character as negative. definitely it isn't about male chauvinism or feminism. It is about self morals which is beyond gender issues. whose fault is to highlight gender war than self morals?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Ramya you are very free to post your views in my thread. Dont worry 😃
Coming to Sita banishment, I have got a theory in my head by now. Let me see if my thoery matches with the makers 😃. Yes the theory appeals to me than any other theory I have heard so far. But let me wait for the makers to show it.
It struck me when yesterday Janak was talking about Ram's ancestors. Raghu, Bhagirath,Harishchandra but not a single woman of the family.

But how come Sita married into that family is remembered through ages. Remembered more than Ram and her purity is a benchmark?Same with Urmila. Why her name is taken along with Lakshman. Why her sacrifice is also highlighted?

How come a Vamsh from where no other Queen's name has come Sita's name has come. Chandramati suffered equally with Harishchandra, still all the credit is for Harishchandra, other stories I dont know much. Why the world know Ram as Sitaram which is one of his prominent names?We can also think.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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it was sita's swayamvar, sita's choice and the choice was ram. i loved the way she described ram and chose him.
as for draupadi's case, if you know me from mahabharat forum you would know my opinion. if you think that the rejection was the "reason" for vastraharan then i belive that it is an exuse to malign draupadi.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ramya you are very free to post your views in my thread. Dont worry 😃

Coming to Sita banishment, I have got a theory in my head by now. Let me see if my thoery matches with the makers 😃. Yes the theory appeals to me than any other theory I have heard so far. But let me wait for the makers to show it.
It struck me when yesterday Janak was talking about Ram's ancestors. Raghu, Bhagirath,Harishchandra but not a single woman of the family.

But how come Sita married into that family is remembered through ages. Remembered more than Ram and her purity is a benchmark?Same with Urmila. Why her name is taken along with Lakshman. Why her sacrifice is also highlighted?

How come a Vamsh from where no other Queen's name has come Sita's name has come. Chandramati suffered equally with Harishchandra, still all the credit is for Harishchandra, other stories I dont know much. Why the world know Ram as Sitaram which is one of his prominent names?We can also think.

@bold: 😊
Interesting question. Have a glance of this link
https://bratboy.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/family-tree-of-lord-sri-rama/
Apart from few, I am not even aware of their counterpart's name.

Following question, Why Lord Ram took birth in suryavamsam and Lord Krishna in Chandravamsam?
Why Ram took birth in navami and Krishna in ashtami?
Though I have some own reasons, can I know your views?
Edited by Ramyalaxmi - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ramyalaxmi

@bold: 😊
Interesting question. Have a glance of this link
https://bratboy.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/family-tree-of-lord-sri-rama/
Apart from few, I am not even aware of their counterpart's name.

Following question, Why Lord Ram took birth in suryavamsam and Lord Krishna in Chandravamsam?
Why Ram took birth in navami and Krishna in ashtami?
Though I have some own reasons, can I know your views?


What is suryavamsam, chandravamsam , navami and ashtami ?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Ramya this is my take on Suryavamsham and Chandravamsham. Surya stands for the masculine energy. Just like Surya rises each day and sets each day that dynasty was stickler to rule. Didnt we hear. Vachan. They give importance to vachan more than anything. So basically they are rigid communities where change is not welcome. So Ram was born there to bring change, usher change to their rules, to set new rules so that instead of being fanatic, they are willing for a change when needed.
Now coming to Chandravamsham. Here just like Chandra or moon whose shape changes from poorna chandra to amavasya. Just like the mensural cycle of a woman. This society bend rules the way they loved. Rules were bend based on whims and fancies of individuals. Power and wealth was used to intimidate. Krishna was born in this society to bring some order. To make people follow laws.

Asthami and Navami I am not sure Ramya. Though have heard a folklore from my mom. She tells Asthami and Navami went and complained to Vishnu they are discarded dates and he should make them poojaniye. Hence Vishnu took Ram avatar on Navami and Krishna avatar on Ashtami.

@Fatema Suryavansham and Chandravamsham are famous lineages of ancient India. Suryavamsham worships Lord Sun and Chandravamsham worships Moon. Asthami and Navami I guess Ramya can better explain.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@idea I very well understand the way panchali rejected karna was not right. She could have been polite and should not have brought caste into the picture. But she had a right to reject. I am typing from mobile hence didn't put this in original post. Was planning to put this aspect when I could get my laptop. Thanks for bringing this up. @shanti patrichiacial society of India has taken shelters under this epic. Lot of atrocities on woman are put one way or other on Ram and Sita. So the values they stood for has to be told in dialogues so that bad cannot take shelters under them.



Patriarchal society has taken shelter under this epic? Specifically, the swayamvar scene? Where Sita was atleast finding a match for her divinity if not her choice? None of the Kings were able to lift and that itself puts sita on a higher pedestal. And remember the Kings never insulted sita and Janak like this in any version.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Krishna is not from chandravamsham

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