how kunal is so sure?? - Page 5

@yanks if they ever show his redemption track then its not gonna be easy.. viewers dont want him near mauli. he can just sit and cry for his mistakes thats it..

Originally posted by: TheMockingBird

How will you understand that lol when kunal himself doesn't know it.Gajra left it to us to keep guessing how Kunal fall in love with Nandini.Writer was on high weeds when she wrote the so called EMA of kunal and nandini.Jab hosh aaya to ek hi character baacha tha which was left intact and now she is trying to cash that character and started writing what she always good at 😊

In Balika Vadhu, Jagya was redeemed because it was shown from the beginning that whatever he is doing is wrong, his falling for another woman made more sense considering he was victim of child marriage like Anandi. But Anandi was the protagonist, Jagya doesn't matter later his existence didn't matter because Anandi got Shiv, who was played by a big name in the industry and he became the lead. But it can not be done with Silsila, here Kunal can't say he doesn't love Nandini or even ponder over the fact that he might be wrong because the biggest name and supposedly the female lead is Nandini played by DD. If they get a new lead for Mauli, who would care about KuNan love? At the end of the day the power of an actress or actor is limited to the PH, audience connects with the character not the actor. I can say I am liking her performance but do I like Nandini? Hell no..
Jagya repented and Anandi got justice because Anandi was the female lead and Jagya wasn't a big name, so he was sidelined so Gajra scored a point with Balika Vadhu. But here she can't show EMA as what it is ie wrong because the people who are doing EMA are the lead and on indian television, leads are not grey or negative.
This is one of the reasons why I was so shocked seeing Jennifer Winget play Maya, she could have easily forced her character's redemption but she did not, in the end Maya was turned negative and the show ended with it, suffice to say she gained a lot by playing Maya, and now Heena Khan is playing Komolika. You see Komolika as a character is somewhat similar to Nandini, but i was surprised to see reaction of audience towards her entry, her introduction video was trending on YouTube and she is being praised, so I guess coming out of the shell is actually rewarding for actresses and Arjun Bijlani is also being praised for his role as a grey/black character in IMMJ

@Anahi

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

In Balika Vadhu, Jagya was redeemed because it was shown from the beginning that whatever he is doing is wrong, his falling for another woman made more sense considering he was victim of child marriage like Anandi. But Anandi was the protagonist, Jagya doesn't matter later his existence didn't matter because Anandi got Shiv, who was played by a big name in the industry and he became the lead. But it can not be done with Silsila, here Kunal can't say he doesn't love Nandini or even ponder over the fact that he might be wrong because the biggest name and supposedly the female lead is Nandini played by DD. If they get a new lead for Mauli, who would care about KuNan love? At the end of the day the power of an actress or actor is limited to the PH, audience connects with the character not the actor. I can say I am liking her performance but do I like Nandini? Hell no..
Jagya repented and Anandi got justice because Anandi was the female lead and Jagya wasn't a big name, so he was sidelined so Gajra scored a point with Balika Vadhu. But here she can't show EMA as what it is ie wrong because the people who are doing EMA are the lead and on indian television, leads are not grey or negative.
This is one of the reasons why I was so shocked seeing Jennifer Winget play Maya, she could have easily forced her character's redemption but she did not, in the end Maya was turned negative and the show ended with it, suffice to say she gained a lot by playing Maya, and now Heena Khan is playing Komolika. You see Komolika as a character is somewhat similar to Nandini, but i was surprised to see reaction of audience towards her entry, her introduction video was trending on YouTube and she is being praised, so I guess coming out of the shell is actually rewarding for actresses and Arjun Bijlani is also being praised for his role as a grey/black character in IMMJ

Leads can be grey too .You find nandini shown in positive light which i disagree of she was to be shown positive by writer then writer would have shown guilt in Nandini's character and her pov and opinions would hv been expressed properly.Instead Nandini is given shitty dialogues which make ppl to hate her more.She was shown selfish and guiltless and never shown to think about Mauli.Infact she is shown dumb and spineless .if they wanted to whitewash nandini they would hv shown flaws in mauli to glorify nandini but no mauli is given strong monologues,Dialogues as well reactions .We got self talks for mauli but for nandini we never got her real pov when she opens her mouth she only speaks shitty and repetitve dialogues which make no sense.The thing Gajra hv destroyed Nandini and kunal to large extent and now she doesn't know how to sort this mess.Secondly to be grey you need not of planning plotting types Character can be grey without planning plotting thing.Gajra tried to potray Nandini close to the another woman character .And in reality Another woman is not always negetive she might be grey with positive and negetive traits .She may be selfish but she may hv goodness to her character too.Gajra tried that with nandini character but failed because she didn't give proper time for writing nandini .She forget to give her pov and forgot to show her story from her point of view and failed to develop her character and result is ppl is thinking nandini is being whitewashed which is not the case.

@mockingbird
Gajra has failed, there are no two ways about it. It's a fact that she rushed with KuNan relationship and there was no bonding, we have contemplated hard on this and every time we said that we don't have a reason to support Nandini, I remember we were shot down by DD fans, the criticism is an important part and that's why we have this forum, but every time we spoke we were labeled and the result is that Shakti and writers thought people are happy and rooting for KuNan (If you remember his interview, he had said that his fans are rooting for them and stuff), most of us weren't very active back then so they thought TRP will come with KuNan relationship, but it didn't happen, Nandini's dialogues don't make sense because she is being whitewashed, if you break my home and tell me that you did not want to hurt me, would that make sense? Of course not.

Don't confuse audience's reaction with what's being shown in each episode, Nandini's dialogues are like Zoya's dialogues in Bepanah these days. You see Zoya is making mistakes but she keeps saying that she didn't mean to hurt anyone and with Zoya, we believe because she is being blackmailed but with Nandini the dialogues are of positive character like Zoya but her actions are not that of a positive character. You don't sleep with your bf's husband and say that you did not want to hurt her, her dialogues should suit her character and her actions. How can Nandini, a woman who slept with her bf's husband be positive? She is sacrificing her love like Gopi bahu, do tell how will audience react to this stupidity? And if it's not whitewashing then what is?

Just think that there are 4 actors in this show, Abhinav is playing out and out negative character, he is playing a rapist and a murderer but why isn't he getting hate messages? Shakti's character is not that good, Kunal has taken the whole guilt of EMA but why isn't he getting hate messages? It's only DD, who's bearing the brunt of Writer's stupidity and its easy to shrug it saying that she's being hated because she is a woman, then how come Jennifer was praised for playing a negative character by neutral audience and just look at the response Heena is getting for playing Komolika. Do you think the reaction to Abhinav would have been same if rape or domestic violence was glorified? Many would have thrashed him for agreeing to play a character which is glorifying rape. I am not saying whatever is happening is correct, I am just presenting my view as to what is happening and why?
One more example of this is Anita Hasnandani, in first few years when she played negative role, she was praised but later when it became obvious that she is being whitewashed, you can see what she had to go through, she got death threats and what not, social media is turning into a venom and fans are overactive and aggravated.

About Mauli, from first promo it was clear that Kunal loves his wife and Nandini didn't wanna break her bf's home, if Mauli was negative that wouldn't have been possible, Mauli was supposed to be a positive character but what we did not expected was such a strong character, now people who was the show love Mauli. You may think Mauli's dialogues are strong and good because people's reaction to them is always positive and that's because they love her but that's not what happening in show, for example -
Someone posted the clip of Mauli saying - Nandini ko kahti ki chullu bhar pani me doob maro.
You can check and see that fans loved it but that's not is being shown because to this dialogue Kunal's reaction was - Use kyo baddua de rahi ho, Kyonki wo aurat hai.

And apart of from DD fans, everyone got angry as he says this to Mauli, because what right a man who's manhandling his wife has to talk about women?

What is being shown -
Nandini organizing Mauli's birthday party
Nandini buying her favorite gift for Mauli
Nandini's dua saving Mauli
Dida saying the baby is because of someone's (Nandini's) dua
Nandini leaving Kunal and saying that she sacrificed her love for Mauli
Kunal telling Mauli how good Nandini is to arrange her birthday party and how much Nandini loves her
Kunal calling Mauli sexist and regressive for taunting Nandini to say that EMA wasn't her fault, it was completely Kunal's fault.
Nandini leaving city and biggest sympathy card Rajdeep's entry
Nandini agreeing to marry Rajdeep to save Mauli and her baby.

That's whitewashing but reaction of audience is opposite of what writer is expecting, they want people to love and sympathize with Nandini but they won't, it's as simple as that and it is also clear that DD won't play a grey or negative character so whitewashing is in the process.

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

@mockingbird
Gajra has failed, there are no two ways about it. It's a fact that she rushed with KuNan relationship and there was no bonding, we have contemplated hard on this and every time we said that we don't have a reason to support Nandini, I remember we were shot down by DD fans, the criticism is an important part and that's why we have this forum, but every time we spoke we were labeled and the result is that Shakti and writers thought people are happy and rooting for KuNan (If you remember his interview, he had said that his fans are rooting for them and stuff), most of us weren't very active back then so they thought TRP will come with KuNan relationship, but it didn't happen, Nandini's dialogues don't make sense because she is being whitewashed, if you break my home and tell me that you did not want to hurt me, would that make sense? Of course not.

Don't confuse audience's reaction with what's being shown in each episode, Nandini's dialogues are like Zoya's dialogues in Bepanah these days. You see Zoya is making mistakes but she keeps saying that she didn't mean to hurt anyone and with Zoya, we believe because she is being blackmailed but with Nandini the dialogues are of positive character like Zoya but her actions are not that of a positive character. You don't sleep with your bf's husband and say that you did not want to hurt her, her dialogues should suit her character and her actions. How can Nandini, a woman who slept with her bf's husband be positive? She is sacrificing her love like Gopi bahu, do tell how will audience react to this stupidity? And if it's not whitewashing then what is?

Just think that there are 4 actors in this show, Abhinav is playing out and out gray character, he is playing a rapist and a murderer but why isn't he getting hate messages? Shakti's character is not that good, Kunal has taken the whole guilt of EMA but why isn't he getting hate messages? It's only DD, who's bearing the brunt of Writer's stupidity and its easy to shrug it saying that she's being hated because she is a woman, then how come Jennifer was praised for playing a negative character by neutral audience and just look at the response Heena is getting for playing Komolika. Do you think the reaction to Abhinav would have been same if rape or domestic violence was glorified? Many would have thrashed him for agreeing to play a character which is glorifying rape. I am not saying whatever is happening is correct, I am just presenting my view as to what is happening and why?
One more example of this is Anita Hasnandani, in first few years when she played negative role, she was praised but later when it became obvious that she is being whitewashed, you can see what she had to go through, she got death threats and what not, social media is turning into a venom and fans are overactive and aggravated.

About Mauli, from first promo it was clear that Kunal loves his wife and Nandini didn't wanna break her bf's home, if Mauli was negative that wouldn't have been possible, Mauli was supposed to be a positive character but what we did not expected was such a strong character, now people who was the show love Mauli. You may think Mauli's dialogues are strong and good because people's reaction to them is always positive and that's because they love her but that's not what happening in show, for example -
Someone posted the clip of Mauli saying - Nandini ko kahti ki chullu bhar pani me doob maro.
You can check and see that fans loved it but that's not is being shown because to this dialogue Kunal's reaction was - Use kyo baddua de rahi ho, Kyonki wo aurat hai.

And apart of from DD fans, everyone got angry as he says this to Mauli, because what right a man who's manhandling his wife has to talk about women?

What is being shown -
Nandini organizing Mauli's birthday party
Nandini buying her favorite gift for Mauli
Nandini's dua saving Mauli
Dida saying the baby is because of someone's (Nandini's) dua
Nandini leaving Kunal and saying that she sacrificed her love for Mauli
Kunal telling Mauli how good Nandini is to arrange her birthday party and how much Nandini loves her
Kunal calling Mauli sexist and regressive for taunting Nandini to say that EMA wasn't her fault, it was completely Kunal's fault.
Nandini leaving city and biggest sympathy card Rajdeep's entry
Nandini agreeing to marry Rajdeep to save Mauli and her baby.

That's whitewashing but reaction of audience is opposite of what writer is expecting, they want people to love and sympathize with Nandini but they won't, it's as simple as that and it is also clear that DD won't play a grey or negative character so whitewashing is in the process.

Nandini is doing all sacrifice or meherbani after ensuring complete damage. How can such character not get bashed?

Probably He never felt same for Mauli like He feels for Nandini now .

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

@mockingbird
Gajra has failed, there are no two ways about it. It's a fact that she rushed with KuNan relationship and there was no bonding, we have contemplated hard on this and every time we said that we don't have a reason to support Nandini, I remember we were shot down by DD fans, the criticism is an important part and that's why we have this forum, but every time we spoke we were labeled and the result is that Shakti and writers thought people are happy and rooting for KuNan (If you remember his interview, he had said that his fans are rooting for them and stuff), most of us weren't very active back then so they thought TRP will come with KuNan relationship, but it didn't happen, Nandini's dialogues don't make sense because she is being whitewashed, if you break my home and tell me that you did not want to hurt me, would that make sense? Of course not.

Don't confuse audience's reaction with what's being shown in each episode, Nandini's dialogues are like Zoya's dialogues in Bepanah these days. You see Zoya is making mistakes but she keeps saying that she didn't mean to hurt anyone and with Zoya, we believe because she is being blackmailed but with Nandini the dialogues are of positive character like Zoya but her actions are not that of a positive character. You don't sleep with your bf's husband and say that you did not want to hurt her, her dialogues should suit her character and her actions. How can Nandini, a woman who slept with her bf's husband be positive? She is sacrificing her love like Gopi bahu, do tell how will audience react to this stupidity? And if it's not whitewashing then what is?

Just think that there are 4 actors in this show, Abhinav is playing out and out gray character, he is playing a rapist and a murderer but why isn't he getting hate messages? Shakti's character is not that good, Kunal has taken the whole guilt of EMA but why isn't he getting hate messages? It's only DD, who's bearing the brunt of Writer's stupidity and its easy to shrug it saying that she's being hated because she is a woman, then how come Jennifer was praised for playing a negative character by neutral audience and just look at the response Heena is getting for playing Komolika. Do you think the reaction to Abhinav would have been same if rape or domestic violence was glorified? Many would have thrashed him for agreeing to play a character which is glorifying rape. I am not saying whatever is happening is correct, I am just presenting my view as to what is happening and why?
One more example of this is Anita Hasnandani, in first few years when she played negative role, she was praised but later when it became obvious that she is being whitewashed, you can see what she had to go through, she got death threats and what not, social media is turning into a venom and fans are overactive and aggravated.

About Mauli, from first promo it was clear that Kunal loves his wife and Nandini didn't wanna break her bf's home, if Mauli was negative that wouldn't have been possible, Mauli was supposed to be a positive character but what we did not expected was such a strong character, now people who was the show love Mauli. You may think Mauli's dialogues are strong and good because people's reaction to them is always positive and that's because they love her but that's not what happening in show, for example -
Someone posted the clip of Mauli saying - Nandini ko kahti ki chullu bhar pani me doob maro.
You can check and see that fans loved it but that's not is being shown because to this dialogue Kunal's reaction was - Use kyo baddua de rahi ho, Kyonki wo aurat hai.

And apart of from DD fans, everyone got angry as he says this to Mauli, because what right a man who's manhandling his wife has to talk about women?

What is being shown -
Nandini organizing Mauli's birthday party
Nandini buying her favorite gift for Mauli
Nandini's dua saving Mauli
Dida saying the baby is because of someone's (Nandini's) dua
Nandini leaving Kunal and saying that she sacrificed her love for Mauli
Kunal telling Mauli how good Nandini is to arrange her birthday party and how much Nandini loves her
Kunal calling Mauli sexist and regressive for taunting Nandini to say that EMA wasn't her fault, it was completely Kunal's fault.
Nandini leaving city and biggest sympathy card Rajdeep's entry
Nandini agreeing to marry Rajdeep to save Mauli and her baby.

That's whitewashing but reaction of audience is opposite of what writer is expecting, they want people to love and sympathize with Nandini but they won't, it's as simple as that and it is also clear that DD won't play a grey or negative character so whitewashing is in the process.