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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: SummerRain7

You had mentioned in your post that different people react differently to this situation, some blaming the wife squarely, some, the husband and some heaping all blame on that third woman/man. Maybe the makers are also trying to tell us the same by making Zoya question Mauli in this manner? Or it could be Zoya's character speaking from her own experience.

The lack of remorse, as you say is mind-boggling. In yesterday's epi when Mauli was introducing Nandini to Chakor, the moment she spoke about trust, Nandini was shown to be very uncomfortable, which was a welcome change from the previous episodes where I felt that she wasn't even aware of what's happening around her. But Kunal was positively smiling when Mauli was saying how blindly she trusts Nandini. Is this an editing glitch ??? If not then, what on earth are the makers smoking??? ? Do they not understand human behavior?? How is he able to click selfies with the two of them so comfortably and do all that he did through out the course of yesterday's epi, with his wife just a few feet away from them??

And do not even get me started on the publicly secret Pooja. It was actually a laugh riot, because the people in the hall were not blind, they had just closed their eyes😆 Matlab Kuch Bhiii!!!

I think the makers wanted to show that Kunal is NOT one of those men who cheated on their wives but is always loathe to give any acceptance or even be seen wIth the cheating partner in public. And of course they had to show something for Chakor to see and voice out her suspicions to Mauli later. But in doing so, Kunal is now appearing as a seasoned cheater, who handles situations with wife and his cheating partner with practised ease.

And Nandini may not have have gotten into this relationship with any great expectations, but as is human nature, she is consciously or subconsciously wanting more and more with each passing minute. Kunal being close to Mauli is slowly starting to get to her.

And I am not sure what to make of Mauli's reaction. She was clearly upset , but she still may not believe that they are already in a relationship. With Zoya's line of questioning, she may feel that Kunal is getting attracted to Nandini and hence her dressing up like Nandini as shown in the promos.


You could definitely be correct in saying that perhaps writers are trying to show a particular facet with Zoya, indirectly heaping blame onto Mauli. Unfortunately, I believe that it is misplaced because it is Zoya saying it. In a particular episode of Bepannaah, Zoya protests when a group of women taunt her for her husband having cheated on her. She clearly says that it was not her fault, and she has moved on from it. Why the double standard then? The dialogue is simply poorly written; instead of asking Mauli to consider what is lacking in their relationship, Zoya should have advised Mauli to talk to Kunal about what expectations they have from each other in their marriage and whether they are both committed to fulfilling these expectations.

You're right, the lack of remorse is horrible. I have nothing more to say about Nandini and Kunal. It's distasteful and disrespectful. You can't control how you feel, but you should respect your friend/partner enough to not dishonour them in such a manner. Give her the respect and consideration she deserves, by telling her the truth.

The writers are convoluted. Any woman watching this show, particularly married or committed, will naturally project herself as Mauli and thus, will despise Kunal and Nandini. So, unless the makers are relying on the controversy to gain viewership, to make people watch purely to curse K&N, I don't how else they will get people to watch their show.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Wonderful analysis. Actually the story had a lot scope had the writers handled it maturely.. They went wrong in hurrying things and just showing physical attraction between Kunal and Nandini.. The reasons you explained for Kunal and Nandini to get attracted to each other make a lot of sense, but we never got to see anything of those explicitly even a single time in the show.. I don't think both of them have talked a single word apart from telling each other about how they 'love' each other which looks laughable in reality because we have never seen any deep routed feelings for them, neither it was shown why they got attracted to each other. And that is where the problem comes from.

I agree on the short lived happiness part. Kunal and Nanidni's happiness is momentary and they are just turning blind eye to reality because even they are aware that their relation has no future unless they gather the courage to openly tell about their family and society about it (which they will never do ofcourse).


Thank you! ❤️

I agree with you. I had so much hope for this story. There was a realism to it. There are so many social stigmas associated with domestic violence that should have been explored better. Writers had such a great opportunity to encourage viewers who are in a similar situation to seek help. There is still so much stigma about mental health, and this was the perfect situation to encourage individuals to acknowledge the injustice and seek therapy. With regard to Kunal and Nandini's romance, the writers completely botched it. By trying to hurry along the story, they compromised on the actual storytelling. This could have been a wonderful narrative to showcase the complexity of the human psyche as the characters battle their guilt and quell their love to no avail. A slow burn with a lot of angst would have eventually positioned audiences to want the characters to be together to end their eternal anguish.

The physical attraction is what makes the story so entirely immature. If we read between the lines, the reasons behind what the characters feel and why they feel this way, has not been explored likely because neither Kunal and Nandini realise the true reasons for their feelings. I have seen many men who have a white knight complex, and I have also seen women who understand this and manipulate men for their benefit. To Nandini's credit, I don't believe that she does it intentionally. I agree with you, in that their feelings do not come across as sincere and deep-rooted, because in my opinion, they're not. They are two deeply unhappy and insecure people who are deluding themselves with the temporary thrill of newfound 'love.'

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Posted: 7 years ago
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It is excellent to read a likeminded post thank you so much TM

I am off the same mindset and I am sure when reality will hit sadly both kunal and Nandini will find themselves in a very difficult situation. The honeymoon period is great they are high on the new love but reality is completely different. Do correct me if I am wrong but I haven't seen either of them working since their affair - all I have seen is them acting on their urges which again as you would know very normal.

It appears that you are in psychiatric field as well? I in a way pity Nandini when the reality will hit because she is going to lose her only friend. Kunal I have no opinion on as I cannot get a read in him. His actions are so contradicting it is making it hard for me to understand his psyche.

Do you think transference may show its head later on for Nandini? She has not addressed her past trauma.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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It is excellent to read a likeminded post thank you so much TM

I am off the same mindset and I am sure when reality will hit sadly both kunal and Nandini will find themselves in a very difficult situation. The honeymoon period is great they are high on the new love but reality is completely different. Do correct me if I am wrong but I haven't seen either of them working since their affair - all I have seen is them acting on their urges which again as you would know very normal.

It appears that you are in psychiatric field as well? I in a way pity Nandini when the reality will hit because she is going to lose her only friend. Kunal I have no opinion on as I cannot get a read in him. His actions are so contradicting it is making it hard for me to understand his psyche.

Do you think transference may show its head later on for Nandini? She has not addressed her past trauma.


Thank you! ❤️

Yes, you're absolutely correct in that K&N are on a high, and when it wears off, they'll be left floundering in the wake. Once the practical considerations of reality strikes, they'll realise just how detrimental and devastating their choices were. You're right - neither of them has been shown to do any work since their affair. They've simply been basking in the afterglow of their love, which only proves just how irresponsible and insensible they've become in the pursuit of a forbidden passion.

I'm not in a psychiatric field, though I'm flattered that you would think so. I'm a lawyer, but I make it my business to try to understand the motives for the ways in which people behave. I'm an MBTI enthusiast. I think that once you understand what drives an individual, you also understand where their strengths and weaknesses lie. Such knowledge is undeniably powerful, is it not?

I assume that you must be in the psychiatric field. If so, I would love to hear a more experienced and informed insight on the characters.

On the issue of transference, my knowledge is very limited, so please correct me if I'm wrong. In my opinion, Nandini is already substituting her unfulfilled romantic aspirations through her relationship with Kunal, hence her lack of remorse, as she feels entitled to his attention and adulation. Ideally, if the writers were taking a more informed and well-researched route, I can foresee a point, where she is forced to address the trauma that she sustained and the convenient feelings that she developed for Kunal in its aftermath.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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now I haven't seen the full episode yet and the zoya scene but here is some thoughts -- I don't think someone asking you to analyze your relationship is necessarily a bad thing or victim blaming or justification of affair.

I remember reading this very interesting post from this lady in another drama forum where she shared about how she reacted after an affair. while her husband moved on and married another woman, she too found peace after she forgave her husband as well as herself. she stressed that while it was very difficult to hear from her counselor/psychologist, it took a lot of self-reflection to realize that a marriage is made of two people and she also had a role to play. while she was not responsible for his affair or his consequent actions, she was responsible for her actions during the marriage. anyway, she ended by saying that she learned a lot about herself and was at peace and happy with herself.

so it is possible that CVs wanted to communicate that kind of attitude and insight through zoya but as usual, may have bungled it up on execution.
Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@mango_pudding1 - Asking one to analyze their marriage as such isn't wrong, but it would depend on the situation, the words used and the tone of saying it.
I haven't seen the precap, so it's hard to say, how it was comnunicated to her. Today's episode would give us a clearer picture. By the way, if I may ask, were you able to make head or tails of Kunal's behaviour yesterday? 😃
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Yes i saw the snippet where Zoya asks her to delve into what went wrong in her marriage and did not like it all...
Which is why i feel it should have been aditya meeting Mauli, preferably the old Aditya...
If a spouse cheats it is not the other persons fault...and neither is she dumb to trust her husband...
Kunaal is the perfect example of what a husband should not be...and a bad husband is incapable of being a good human being...
Zoya's take on this whole cheating thing was annoying even in her story and here she is giving some very wrong advice to Mauli...
What should have been ideal for her was to tell mauli that her husband has more pics of her best friend than hers in his phone and she should find out if tgere was something unusual brewing in kunaals mind...not what went wrong in her marriage...
But then this is Indian telly...who are we kidding...
@TM- Loved your post...and i agree with everything you pointed out...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@summerrain7 -- only saw about half the episode yesterday.. so will respond to your Q on kunal after I finish watching.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

now I haven't seen the full episode yet and the zoya scene but here is some thoughts -- I don't think someone asking you to analyze your relationship is necessarily a bad thing or victim blaming or justification of affair.

I remember reading this very interesting post from this lady in another drama forum where she shared about how she reacted after an affair. while her husband moved on and married another woman, she too found peace after she forgave her husband as well as herself. she stressed that while it was very difficult to hear from her counselor/psychologist, it took a lot of self-reflection to realize that a marriage is made of two people and she also had a role to play. while she was not responsible for his affair or his consequent actions, she was responsible for her actions during the marriage. anyway, she ended by saying that she learned a lot about herself and was at peace and happy with herself.

so it is possible that CVs wanted to communicate that kind of attitude and insight through zoya but as usual, may have bungled it up on execution.


I absolutely agree with you. Someone simply asking you to evaluate your relationship is not suggestive of victim shaming, it's the precise dialogue that was used, in terms of looking at what is lacking or where the relationship might be failing. The writing is poor, simply put. Instead of advising Mauli to examine the flaws of her relationship, she should have told her to discuss with Kunal what their individual expectations are from their marriage and just how committed they are in fulfilling these expectations.

With all due respect to the woman you are referencing, every experience is different. I don't believe that both parties in a relationship are always necessarily at fault. In this particular scenario, where is Mauli's fault? It is that she does not spend enough time with her husband, because she's too busy being the bread-winner of the family as well as taking the time to attend to everyone's needs? Or is it that she does not recognise how powerless her husband feels because he's the one sitting at home, useless while his wife slaves away? Or is it her fault that she unconditionally loves and trusts both her husband and her best friend? In my opinion, I don't think that any blame can be imputed to Mauli here. If Kunal feels inadequate, then that's entirely his problem. It is his egoistic mindset that craves the attention and adoration of another woman. If you are not happy in your relationship, you do not seek pleasure elsewhere, you do the mature thing and discuss it with your partner.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: QueenofGreen


I absolutely agree with you. Someone simply asking you to evaluate your relationship is not suggestive of victim shaming, it's the precise dialogue that was used, in terms of looking at what is lacking or where the relationship might be failing. The writing is poor, simply put. Instead of advising Mauli to examine the flaws of her relationship, she should have told her to discuss with Kunal what their individual expectations are from their marriage and just how committed they are in fulfilling these expectations.

With all due respect to the woman you are referencing, every experience is different. I don't believe that both parties in a relationship are always necessarily at fault. In this particular scenario, where is Mauli's fault? It is that she does not spend enough time with her husband, because she's too busy being the bread-winner of the family as well as taking the time to attend to everyone's needs? Or is it that she does not recognise how powerless her husband feels because he's the one sitting at home, useless while his wife slaves away? Or is it her fault that she unconditionally loves and trusts both her husband and her best friend? In my opinion, I don't think that any blame can be imputed to Mauli here. If Kunal feels inadequate, then that's entirely his problem. It is his egoistic mindset that craves the attention and adoration of another woman. If you are not happy in your relationship, you do not seek pleasure elsewhere, you do the mature thing and discuss it with your partner.



yea, every experience is different but I remember that lady's post because she was such a cheerful person and in such sharp contrast to expectation and others experience. part of that was she had accepted herself and her past, living very contentedly and was not afraid of the future.

one of my cousin is a psychiatrist and she has lots of patients who approach her when they are thinking of a second marriage. they are afraid if the past will repeat itself and so analyzing a past relationship helps them see if they could have done things differently, what are areas they need to work on for personal growth. blaming the ex for everything does not get them anywhere.

we can agree to disagree on this but I don't see mouli as without flaws. yes, she is a good person but I also do think that there were areas in her marriage which may have needed a little tweaking. sometimes it is not about whether a need is irrelevant but if it is relevant to the other person, then the spouse needs to address it head on in order to make a marriage successful.

so I agree with you 100% that kunal has a saviour complex. the irony is that mauli herself is a vulnerable woman and has lots of insecurities. if she had let kunal in and let him do some of the heavy lifting, then he would have realized that mouli also needs saving. so was she wrong in taking on everything herself? not necessarily but she underestimated kunal's saviour complex. now is she responsible for kunal's affair? no. those were his actions. but she is responsible for her actions in her marriage because they were the two in it.

in every relationship (whether it is friend, family or even colleague), we need to pay attention to a person's emotional needs. we may think it is a simple irrelevant matter but it may not be to someone else.
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