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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06


Exactly, the only person, I had some hope for was Yamini but she has become a mute spectator and based on her expression today when K and M were dancing, it seems she also on board with Dida's idea of reconciliation without asking for answers from her son.


yeah I don't understand Yamini either. She was the only one that definitively blamed Kunal and now she's just smiling??
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Posted: 7 years ago

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yeah I don't understand Yamini either. She was the only one that definitively blamed Kunal and now she's just smiling??



Somewhere I feel Yamini is letting everything take its due course because she knows what it'll lead to. She knows what Dida is doing, but she won't interfere because she knows Mauli won't bend so easily and accept Kunal back. She knows that both are faking it for Dida and that once a month is over, Kunal will leave and go back to Nandini.

Ever since I've started watching, I've always felt that Yamini is smarter than the CVs are letting on. She knows things. She sees things. And she pretends to be just a dumb mother.

She made it obvious when Kunal and Nandini's relationship was revealed that she supports Mauli. Hence even now she doesn't support Kunal. But she has to keep on appearances for society and once this whole Navratri is over, then she'll be back to sidelining Kunal and rejecting him for Mauli.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

I really don't know why no one is questioning Kunal on anything. And the divinity angle is baffling. Wasn't EMA shown as destined and divine earlier, and now suddenly marriage is also divine? Or are they trying to tell us that EMA was destined to happen but marriage (being holy and sacred) will survive that. If that is the case, then I am sorry, I did not sign up for this story. I wanted to see raw human emotions play out and human beings battling it out with their own emotions, I do not want to watch a story where humans are shown as mere puppets in a divine game.' Did they forget the tagline of their own show???


@bold -- it is really bizarre because in all the promos as well as the byes of actors from other serials, they go on about how marriage is divine and something about saat pheras. so then why present this fated love story angle? maybe the CVs are trying to reduce the backlash and feel this will please the TRP aunties? or maybe they just want to aggravate us in the hope that we will watch to at least yell at the TV...

but I agree with you on reasons for watching the show because I am here for the same.
what was the tagline for this show?
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Posted: 7 years ago

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Somewhere I feel Yamini is letting everything take its due course because she knows what it'll lead to. She knows what Dida is doing, but she won't interfere because she knows Mauli won't bend so easily and accept Kunal back. She knows that both are faking it for Dida and that once a month is over, Kunal will leave and go back to Nandini.

Ever since I've started watching, I've always felt that Yamini is smarter than the CVs are letting on. She knows things. She sees things. And she pretends to be just a dumb mother.

She made it obvious when Kunal and Nandini's relationship was revealed that she supports Mauli. Hence even now she doesn't support Kunal. But she has to keep on appearances for society and once this whole Navratri is over, then she'll be back to sidelining Kunal and rejecting him for Mauli.


@bold 1Well, apple does not fall far away from the tree then. Like mother, like son. Both are waiting for everything to just fall in its place.

@ bold 2 :Frankly, I had lot of issues with that whole scene. First, Dida has no problem asking random people for help to fix their family matters. Second, I am sure Yaminicould feel that her DIL in clutching her to be away from Kunal and is not comfortable even with the idea of her son touching her so. Even though she is tolerating this whole reconciliation drama, shouldn't she have raised an objection in support of her DIL when she was saying that she has pain in the leg and cannot dance. Thirdly, either this society is very understanding or the whole society is in league with Dida to reconcile these two, because where is the gossip, where is the finger-pointing. Infact, in the precap we hear them talking about their love. I guess I gave too much credit to the neighbor, Sweety.




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Posted: 7 years ago

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@charu -- the CVs totally bungled with how domestic abuse is covered. however, according to this article I read, there was a statistic that said it will take a woman something like 37 times of abuse before she decides to leave. or some high number. while we might think of staying in abusive situation as lack of guts, the kind of courage required to endure such trauma should not be underrated. but lets keep that aside because CVs didn't cover this in a way that made sense to the viewers.

but even when nandini had no where to go, she was willing to get on a bus and leave the city when she realized that she was weak and would succumb to an affair if she stayed. so this woman can leave at any point if she makes up her mind. the difference is that this time kunal won't rush to the bus stop because he is too busy doing whatever dadi asks.


@charu: I totally agree with @ mango_pudding here. Nandini is very strong emotionally. You cannot survive that long an abuse by being weak. They are called survivors for a reason because they learn to live in the small world of theirs and find happiness where possible. They learn to process pain manly by ignoring it. It very difficult for such people to adjust to a new world and hence most of them tend to go back. Only when there is trigger and with an help of an external support are they able to totally break free from their abuser. In Nandini, the trigger was the baby.
Having said that, she also has a rebel streak in her. If you remember the initial episode, inspite of Rajdeep warning her to stay put, she baked a cake, she decorated the hotel, she went ahead with the pregnancy. This shows strength, and believe me, it takes a lot for a person to go against their abuser especially when they are still with them.

Even in the aftermath of those two trauma scenes that happened, one because of Rajdeep and the other with those women, , she did not call Kunal or try to reach him. She picked herself up and tried to process the pain. That shows inner strength. Kunal came there due to external reasons, first time because he felt bad of his MIL words and second because the realtor called him. Also, there are three scenes that shows that she can and will take decision without consulting other if she think thats the right thing to do.. First was when she went and returned the MS to Rajdeep, second is for the electricity when K and M had an argument, she went behind everybody and made the arrangements, third was when she decided to leave town. Nandini is definitely not a weak person. So when push comes to shove, we will see her doing exactly that if CVs show us what they promised us.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

Wonderful post mango_pudding1 What you said about Nandini's perceptive powers and her survival instinct, is so on point. In the absence of any other support, she had to rely on those skills in the past and I believe they will come in handy again now. Either that or she might have a complete break down and hit rock bottom. In that scene yesterday, I think she gave Kunal a chance to speak out the truth, and I loved the way she looked at him so deeply and almost pointedly, trying to read him. It was a welcome change from her usual meek acceptance of anything and everything that he says. Just a day back, I had wondered out loud here whether their relationship can even be called healthy because Nandini had just been nodding along to everything that he says . Yesterday, their brief conversation looked closer to normal.

Pamk06 - I rewatched that part and thanks for that wonderful explanation 🤣. Shock laga Bhai!


But seriously what the hell is Kunal doing? I find myself agreeing with WhyHate, mango_pudding and FruitToasty. This guy's lack of initiative is making this messier for everybody. I was shocked when I saw Yamini smiling in the background. For all the outburst in the beginning, she has turned out to be a completely useless chracater. She does not give me any motherly vibes and I think we have every reason to conclude that they are a dysfunctional family. And Kunal will not do anything unless and until he is pushed to a corner. His "okay okay to Dida was deliberately misinterpreted. He did not care to correct her and yes that situation was difficult, but like some of the people pointed out here, had Mauli said no to Didai's request, he wouldn't have forced her. He is perpetually in the background waiting for other people to think and act and simply goes along with it. So the chances of him doing anything on his own to get Nandini into his life looks miniscule as of now.


I was so damn annoyed when Mauli made it easier for him to sneak out. But it was also in a way, a very symbolic slap. And weirdly, I am happy that though it made him feel further ashamed, he still went out to meet Nandini. Had he stayed back, he would have come across as someone who lacks conviction in anything. But in all this, does he actually realize that the person who he has hurt the most is covering up his sorry ass??


Seriously, right now, I don't know how it is that I am putting up with his sorry face on the screen. Whatever he is doing in the name of "love for his family is just plain spinelessness and there is simply no other word for it.


And the makers are now blundering on a whole new level. Being doctors, do Kunal and Mauli think it is alright for someone who has just had a heart attack to exert herself by being a part of festivities and rituals? And instead of all the divine marriage symbolism, and other characters coming in to counsel Nandini, I'd rather wish for BP's Aditya to come again and give a sound hearing to Kunal on how infidelty in marriage affects the wronged partner and make them incapable of trusting and loving again.


Coming to Dida's Salim Anarkali wali tippany, Pamk06 , I thought , since it was Dida who mouthed those lines I thought she was telling Mauli to trust her love for Kunal, and that will eventually bring him back, because he was the one who went away first . And whatever crap Dida herself is doing to Nandini (though her intention is to break Nandini's trust ) , that is in effect a test of love and trust for Nandini as well. So whoever hangs on to their faith, gets the prize called Kunal. That's the way I interpreted it.


I really don't know why no one is questioning Kunal on anything. And the divinity angle is baffling. Wasn't EMA shown as destined and divine earlier, and now suddenly marriage is also divine? Or are they trying to tell us that EMA was destined to happen but marriage (being holy and sacred) will survive that. If that is the case, then I am sorry, I did not sign up for this story. I wanted to see raw human emotions play out and human beings battling it out with their own emotions, I do not want to watch a story where humans are shown as mere puppets in a divine game.' Did they forget the tagline of their own show???

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@bold: After yesterday, I do not think there will be Nandini's breakdown but Kunal's. Look at her. She sees the photo and it definitely gave her pain. She processed the pain and then she just waited. She did not call Kunal, she did not text him. She just waited. Even when he came, we don't see her crying, screaming, begging nothing. Look at the poise, look at the body language. There is no clinginess there, no insecurity, there is just an analytical mind at work there. She lets him explain and then she says only three things, "Its Ok, if its for Dida" that you broke your promise. Second, she give him the chance to tell the whole truth, where he fails miserably and third, she asks him "How much time" and he replies "One month". We see she is not happy. But she will give him that. That is all Kunal is getting. Not one day less, not one day more. If at the end of the month,he does not get all his ducks in a row, he is going to lose her. We might see his breakdown. (Will Shakti be able to pull it) and that would be the last confirmation that Mauli would need to move on. Hopefully, they show her moving on and not get stuck with this whole divine marriage.

I so hope they keep this Nandini intact and not change her again because i like this one, and this one I can totally see becoming a ruthless business woman.

Kunal going to meet Nandini serves two purposes. Mauli and we as viewers both see the intensity of his feelings and with his every step, Mauli decision to move away from him will strengthen if, again, they stay away from this whole divine marriage story.

I really do not understand this divine love, divine marriage thing. Wasn't the crux of whole story because Kunal fell out of love, so how can they be sure he will not fall out of love with Nandini. For a moment, even if we accept this divine love and they say that marriage is holy and sacred, then why show Nandini and Rajdeep get divorced. Shouldn't that holy and sacred bond be enough to change Rajdeep and fix all their issues? If only marriages could be fixed this way, life would be so easy.

As you said, the tag-line is emotions, show raw emotions. Show the heartbreak, show the pain, show the craziness, show the intensity, show the tadap, why give them these meaningless tags.



@mango_pudding: Very well explained about Nandni. That's so to the point and very true of her.

The whole Dida-Mauli scene was puke-worthy. First of all, I do not understand why is she asking Mauli to make amends. Mauli is not at fault here, Kunal is. Why is Kunal not getting this lectures. I do not see her talking to Kunal and explaining her the semantics of marriage. The end of the scene was you have to wait for your true love to come back and finally you will unite. Pray tell me, how much time should one wait and how many times? So lets say he comes back, they unite, and everything is lovey-dovey. But then he again meets Nandini (his divine love), so now Mauli again has to wait for him to come back. Based on that, apparently yes, because Guess what? he is Mauli's true love. Total BS.

At one point ,I really wished Mauli would tell on him to Dida. Look Dida, I am waiting but my true love is gone to meet his divine love. 🤣

Moving on, I did think that was for Kunal -Nandini. But then based on the total googly CVs are doing on us with this divine marriage, I got confused and hence my question. I guess we will just have to wait and see where they take us. I do think by the time Kunal open his mouth it will be too late, he is definetely going to lose everything.



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Posted: 7 years ago

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@charu: I totally agree with @ mango_pudding here. Nandini is very strong emotionally. You cannot survive that long an abuse by being weak. They are called survivors for a reason because they learn to live in the small world of theirs and find happiness where possible. They learn to process pain manly by ignoring it. It very difficult for such people to adjust to a new world and hence most of them tend to go back. Only when there is trigger and with an help of an external support are they able to totally break free from their abuser. In Nandini, the trigger was the baby.
Having said that, she also has a rebel streak in her. If you remember the initial episode, inspite of Rajdeep warning her to stay put, she baked a cake, she decorated the hotel, she went ahead with the pregnancy. This shows strength, and believe me, it takes a lot for a person to go against their abuser especially when they are still with them.

Even in the aftermath of those two trauma scenes that happened, one because of Rajdeep and the other with those women, , she did not call Kunal or try to reach him. She picked herself up and tried to process the pain. That shows inner strength. Kunal came there due to external reasons, first time because he felt bad of his MIL words and second because the realtor called him. Also, there are three scenes that shows that she can and will take decision without consulting other if she think thats the right thing to do.. First was when she went and returned the MS to Rajdeep, second is for the electricity when K and M had an argument, she went behind everybody and made the arrangements, third was when she decided to leave town. Nandini is definitely not a weak person. So when push comes to shove, we will see her doing exactly that if CVs show us what they promised us.


I understand dear but its all theorotical ..nandu and emotionally strong ? I agree the women who go through this have innate power in them , thats why i am surprised at her behaviour , its far from its being perceived ...ideally , .she should be how you people picture her, yes ..an abuse victim...i would have taken the above reasons if mauli was not there in the picture .i


She was able to break free , the trigger was not the baby but mauli . She had the backing of mauli thats why she could break free from rajdeep , refused to go back with him , got him arrested ,returned the ms, filed the divorce , resist the rape attempt . I am shocked you people dont wanna give that much credit to mauli , n saying she had it in her ..she had mauli as her back up and later she had kunal who she is clinging onto .


Electrician incident was a minor one , how does it qualify as an example ? She was thinking kunal is getting attracted to her and she called the electrician and not kunal to fix up her house . She wanted to leave but ultimately gave in ..what after that ? What are we supposed to make out of her character from that point ? Kunal him jaante hain aap guilty hain , hum jaa rahe hain . Hum gande hain etc etc saying all that to hear the reassurances from kunal ...she has severe inferiority complex because of rajdeep and now the society ..she thinks nobody can love her , she is not worthy of anybodys love... . In this scenario when kunal confessed , she was on the top of the world . Will she ever let go of him ? I dont think so ..lets see how they shape up the story ..
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I understand dear but its all theorotical ..nandu and emotionally strong ? I agree the women who go through this have innate power in them , thats why i am surprised at her behaviour , its far from its being perceived ...ideally , .she should be how you people picture her, yes ..an abuse victim...i would have taken the above reasons if mauli was not there in the picture .i


She was able to break free , the trigger was not the baby but mauli . She had the backing of mauli thats why she could break free from rajdeep , refused to go back with him , got him arrested ,returned the ms, filed the divorce , resist the rape attempt . I am shocked you people dont wanna give that much credit to mauli , n saying she had it in her ..she had mauli as her back up and later she had kunal who she is clinging onto .


Electrician incident was a minor one , how does it qualify as an example ? She was thinking kunal is getting attracted to her and she called the electrician and not kunal to fix up her house . She wanted to leave but ultimately gave in ..what after that ? What are we supposed to make out of her character from that point ? Kunal him jaante hain aap guilty hain , hum jaa rahe hain . Hum gande hain etc etc saying all that to hear the reassurances from kunal ...she has severe inferiority complex because of rajdeep and now the society ..she thinks nobody can love her , she is not worthy of anybodys love... . In this scenario when kunal confessed , she was on the top of the world . Will she ever let go of him ? I dont think so ..lets see how they shape up the story ..


I said trigger and external support. Baby was the trigger but Mauli was the external support. I was only talking about Nandini here and her psychology. Not her psychology with reference to Mauli. Thats a completely different discussion.

Of course, Mauli gets the full credit to give Nandini the support. But If Nandini did not have the motivation to do it, she could not have done it. This were exactly Mauli's words to Kunal when she went back to Rajdeep the first time. "We can only tell but Nandini has to do it". Its a very true statement. Giving support and actually doing it are two separate things. I do agree that without Mauli, Nandini would not have taken the first step but if Nandini would not have choose to do it, nothing Mauli said or did would have mattered.

@bold: Exactly, that what I am saying, When push comes to shove, Nandini does have the capability to analyse the situation and make a decision based on that. In all three situations, she did not tell anybody, just took the decision and followed the path.


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She was able to break free , the trigger was not the baby but mauli . She had the backing of mauli thats why she could break free from rajdeep , refused to go back with him , got him arrested ,returned the ms, filed the divorce , resist the rape attempt . I am shocked you people dont wanna give that much credit to mauli , n saying she had it in her ..she had mauli as her back up and later she had kunal who she is clinging onto .



@charu -- at least for me, the reason is a real life experience -- thats why I don't give much credit to mauli. she was good support but ultimately, it was nandini who had to make the decision.

when I was in college, I had a friend who was sort of in this weird emotionally abusive relationship. we know he did slap her once publicly and she slapped him back. don't ask. and her behaviour was all over the place and we really couldn't understand her at all. her boyfriend hated us friends and we had no clue why. later we found out that she used us as a defense to lie to him.

he was so controlling that he would dictate what she would wear and who she could meet etc. and for some reason, we two girls were sort of approved by him (as in not the worst of the list and maybe he didn't have a choice since we all lived in the same house) and so she would tell him that she was spending some time with us when in reality, she was off to see those other friends he disapproved. there were friends she stopped talking to for months because he dictated that she couldn't meet them. she would get super nervous whenever he did come to meet her and we were like "why is she scared of him?? this doesn't make any sense???" ...

.. and at one point, we were forced to start lying for her and it was bizarre. she would call and beg us to tell him that she was sleeping or taking a bath or something... and he would call to confirm if she was indeed home... we couldn't make head or tail and we were like "why are you dating this guy? he is no good." but her response was "he was a good guy but misunderstood"

so I was visiting a friend of mine and somehow ended up sharing about this girl and a person there said this is a sign of a typically abusive relationship. I was like "what??????" and she gave me a brochure and I was shocked because there was a sort of checklist and basically this relationship ticked way too many boxes. I always imagined based on movies that someone who is an abusive relationship as a certain type of character and this girl wasn't. before she met this guy, she was super extroverted and had a very very large circle of friends.

anyway, I went back and discussed with my friend on what to do with this girl and we knew that someone had to talk to her. anyway, I decided to do it and I knew that if I did, it would be the end of our friendship. however, I was close to graduation and going back home and made that choice.

so before I moved back home, I talked to this girl and she said that we misunderstood the situation and he was a great guy etc. so I gave her the brochure and said for whatever reason, her relationship looks like it ticks off all these boxes and so she should think about it and left it at that. that was the last I spoke to her. later through my other friend, heard that she did break up about 6 months later and it was a super messy breakup.

my point: there is no one personality that one can expect people who get abused and no matter, how much support friends and family give, the person has to make that choice for themselves. no one can do it for them.
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@mango_pudding. I understand what you're trying to say. It's very difficult to get a person out of an abusive relationship. No matter how much their friends try to explain to them, if they can't see it, it's not going to end. I do give a lot of credit to Mauli tho, she gave Nandani a safe space until Nandani could gather the courage to tell Rajdeep off. However, while Mauli was helping Nandani, so was Kunal. I think I read it on this thread but Kunal was there for Nandani physically. He talked her out of committing suicide, during the elevator scene and when Kunal and Nandani were stuck in her apartment, it was kunal that consoled her and made her feel better and took away her fear. Mauli is kind of harsh on her approach, which can be taken the wrong way. I am the kind of person that would appreciate Kunal's approach better because he wouldn't make me do anything uncomfortable that I didn't want to do but Mauli would leave me to the sharks and tell me to figure out my own way back. Point is, they're a contrast. When Nandani was dancing and her blouse's zip was about to expose her, Kunal literally went right to her and saved her from embarrassment and Mauli, though shocked, couldn't really do anything. I think that could be another reason why Nandani latched on to Kunal. And obvious Mauli has also been there for her physically, Nandani obviously's motive is her failed marriage. She wants a man's love and acceptance. And here's Kunal professing that to her. So from Nandani's point of view, Kunal played a bigger role in getting her out of an abusive relationship. Also, Mauli can just tell Nandani that she deserves better while Kunal could show it. During the earlier episodes she thought how crazy it is that a marriage could be this healthy and mutually respectful. From that time on, she started building the courage that oh yeah I can't stay with Rajdeep because he'll never treat me the way Kunal treats Mauli.
However, what was the point of showing Nandani longing for Mauli and her life-long friendship in the beginning when she wasn't going to really feel remorse about taking her husband. The only aspect of the show I have hard time understanding.

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