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Posted: 7 years ago
This show will never actually pays attention to the most important aspects of relationships- communication.
Kunal-Nandini hardly talk. People talk, especially someone like Nandini who has come from a sensitive mess has to be talked about things by a man who claims to love her. Relationships are not just about constant assurances that Kunal does but more about trying to understand the partner too.

Even Nandini didn't dare talk to Kunal about sudden change of feelings. They can talk about this when they are alone. Being selfish doesn't always mean to be insensitive too (as they have shown). I have seen cases of selfishness but then there is underlying sensitivity there as well.
It's completely absent here.

Kunal-Maul couldn't talk. Hell, Kunal can't even talk to his own family & put up with her. It's all on extremes. WHY? If it's grey are then show it as one where people feel the grayness of the situation & not this mess where there will only be hate & disgust for characters.

I want to see a communication between Kunal's mom-Mauli where the two sensible woman can actually talk like mother-daughter & even that goes ignored. I want Kunal's mom to deal with Dida & still nothing is gonna happen.

In BV, Dadisa used to talk before taking any major decision. She would talk to everyone when she set her mind on getting Anandi married to Shiv. Communication was nicely covered there. And then, here, there is absolutely nothing on the name of communication, the type where two people talk heart-to-heart. It was somewhat shown in initial episodes, but now, Nothing.

Juzzbat have overshadowed everything else. There are no self-talks, pondering over actions, nothing. Audience is supposed to watch all of them like stupid people. I mean even Ishwari Dixit, Dev, Sona in KRPKAB used to do hell lot of self-talking even when they were doing wrong or right on certain times or ponder hardly on their actions.

Only person who has asked questions in this show is Mauli. Otherwise, everyone seems to have sold their brains to even ask questions & only work with assurances & promises.
Edited by arshi_asya - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: music_l0ver036

I was gonna make a new post but then I realized most of them have to do with terrible writing and I guess this is a great post to talk about that. I love reading the conversations that happen in this thread even though I rarely write in it.

I wanted to ask what people think the writers are doing with Nandani. She is layered and complex and there are so many parts of her that is not explored for more than episode or two. I liked that they had mentioned depression in the beginning but it didn't really go more than that. I mean if you've created a character that has so much going on in her life and rarely ever show the depths of who they are and how they see the world, what was the point? Once they wrote Nandani's abuse aspect, did people not brainstorm more than one possibility of how she would deal with it? She has abandonment issues, thats obvious and it was even more obvious yesterday when she was saying that "oh kunal told me he'll come back so why should I be worried?" I actually did like the desperation she felt, like she was going to lose him already. But I don't believe that she wouldn't think about Mauli at all. It was fine when they first started because it wwas new and she was scared she had feelings for Kunal so she didn't think about Mauli. But now? it makes no sense.
Part of the reason may be that Kunal has been reassuring her so much, saying that they'll be together forever, that their love is not dirty, he'll support her. And that is what Nandani both has been needing and wanting so obviously she believes him. Nandani is a big girl and is able to make her own decisions but a lot of her decisions are swayed by Kunal. He's definitely taking advantage of her in my opinion.
Speaking of gross writing, wowww how predictable that Dida was lying about the heartattack. How overplayed is the emotional blackmail shit that women have to go through. I felt so bad for Mauli and honestly quite surprised that Dida was willing to put Mauli through that. But I did like the questions she asked Kunal and Mauli, their separation (or rather Kuna's betrayal) did feel like it happened overnight. They couldn't keep their hands off each other and had so much love and respect for each other and now poof! gone.
Which takes us to my final point. I love Nandani but I don't believe in KuNan a bit. There was no development to their relationship, I mean they did bond but it was one sided from Kunal. They did have moments where they spent time together but those moments were not dates or they didn't get to know each other. It just happened because of circumstances. I don't believe that they're in love. They don't talk to each other about each other. Their conversations don't dig deeper than simple likes and dislikes.
Has Kunal talked to Nandani about how she feels, her anxiety her PTSD, her trauma? No, and that is such an oversight. Nothing they do has been enough for me to believe that they love each other.
And I hate that theres so many posts made about where people make fun of her anxiety and depression and if that part was explored with more caution or care, I wouldn't feel so angry. I know it's made about a characters but the psychological aspect of the character is never analyzed well in this forum. I know that sounds very "moral-policing" but it's not just about Nandani. I wish mental health wasn't such a taboo subject so commenting about someone's symptoms about their mental illness would be done in a more respectful manner.
I feel like I'm invading this thread lmao but here are my feelings towards the show as of right now.



@music_lover036 -- yea, it is a real pity that real mental heath issues are being distorted and brought out in such a weird way. for example, the whole intimacy scene. there were many arguments on the forum that someone from an abusive relationship would not want intimacy. however, if you read real life stories of childhood sexual abuse, you find that many of them become promiscuous and have a string of failed relationships. so while some don't want intimacy, others go the opposite way. they crave some sort of relationship but don't have the skills to have any stable relationship.

the same with her anxiety, her shakes, her tunnel vision, her inability to process another view, freezing when rajdeep comes over -- all of these are also typical symptoms. various english movies like the old julia roberts movie "sleeping with the enemy" also had domestic abuse characters display these kind of symptoms.

now, am not a mental health professional but these are just stuff I picked up from movies and magazines and some stories from counselors. so at least to me, nandini in that sense is a complex character. however, the reason that audience don't connect with her is the writing. the stares and silences are way too much for audience to decipher. it just takes too much energy to watch a late night show where you are a step away from falling asleep where none of these characters explain themselves. if the characters were not going to explain themselves, then we need a narrator like in savdhaan doing the talking! 😆

one of the problems is that the writing really didn't explore her inner psyche. her whole alter ego fight scene was super and we should have had more of that kind of scenes where we see her struggle between doing the right thing and being selfish. if her bad ego said "woman, will you be unhappy all your life? at this age and life, who are you going to find that is going to love you? he loves you. grab life. if life sucks later, it is okay because you have always had bad luck!" -- see dialogues like that would have made more sympathetic in a way because it shows her human ness.

now what are the CVs intending to do with nandini? think they weren't prepared for the backlash at all. they were hoping for a behayadh kind of response where people watched for the main character even though she was crazy. they seem to vacillate between wanting these characters grey and wanting them super good. well, it is not possible to have it both ways and hence the audience rejection of these characters.
Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

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Just finished seeing the episode. My only reaction was OMG😡. Seriously, is this how you try to fix a marriage. I really wanted Dida to buckle up and be the matriarch of the family but in my wildest dreams I did not think that they will use sindoor, haven and chunari to do it. Seriously, which era is this? Are marriages seriously fixed with all this? If yes, then why do we have divorces? People should just start investing in all this. Do a pooja and poof... all problems are solved.

Communication, Dida, communication. Thats what I wanted you to use. Make Mauli ask questions of her "Kyun, kab, kaise". Force Kunal to answer them. Find out why he got attracted to Nandini. What was missing in his life that she fulfilled? Send them for marriage counseling. Thats how you fix marriages. Not by forcing them to stay together and making them do all these rituals. If nothing else, Mauli should know that it was not her fault and she will be able to move on in her life. She will be able to rebuild that confidence in herself that your grandson that broken and somewhere in future be able to forgive these people. Kunal will be able to move on in his life, may be with guilt but at least with ways to handle it and also with an understanding of the errors of his ways on how he could handled the whole situation in a better way.

Seriously, they are showing EMA. Its a very sensitive topic, They need to show how to handle it, the aftermath of it, the steps to fix it, the steps to recover from it, the steps to move on from it, not only for the person cheated but for everyone involved in it. Because it does impact everybody. Not this BS

Are CVs really trying to sell us the idea of divine marriage after divine love? What Nandini is Pyaar and Mauli is Kismat???

Last but not the least, @summerain7, I really wanted Nandini's Kunal to come out and put a stop to this because he definitely can do it, this version of his will never open his mouth.




it was exasperating to say the least. no one talks about the elephant in the room. this really is a dysfunctional family. @bold -- it does look that way which makes me want to gag. if they want to show marriage is sacred, they need to show two people fighting for it, not two people shackled together in chains of emotional blackmail and being utterly miserable and dead. not a family that refuses to address the issues or even talk about what happened.

rather than talk about the issues of ema and how to build a marriage or to show how to move on from a bad marriage or how to tackle the effects of ema -- the CVs main focus seems to be showing one pooja celebration after another. ooh, lets invite characters from others shows who will help the love birds?! ummm, what??? really lazy writing. 😡
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Posted: 7 years ago
@mango , they didnt get as much backlash for bv , or beyhadh or bepenah ..there must be a reason behind so much hatred towards their characters that the name calling doesnt seem to stop and actors being trolled for their roles ..unless kunan were meant to be hated and they are attracting more eyeballs through this..anyhow , whatever they want to convey , they must do it through their characters and story . If they cant its their failure . If they want to explore the psycological aspect of nandu they cant do it with her silence. Her behavior comes across as abnormal but its still not clear ..like smita patip from arth had ocd ..it wasnt for selectivr scenes only ..lets see how they proceed from here.
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Posted: 7 years ago

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@mango , they didnt get as much backlash for bv , or beyhadh or bepenah ..there must be a reason behind so much hatred towards their characters that the name calling doesnt seem to stop and actors being trolled for their roles ..unless kunan were meant to be hated and they are attracting more eyeballs through this..anyhow , whatever they want to convey , they must do it through their characters and story . If they cant its their failure . If they want to explore the psycological aspect of nandu they cant do it with her silence. Her behavior comes across as abnormal but its still not clear ..like smita patip from arth had ocd ..it wasnt for selectivr scenes only ..lets see how they proceed from here.



absolutely @charu - I love bepannah and I loved the initial tracks and how well done it was. they really showed how two marriages can disintegrate even with a spouse blissfully unaware and the reasons for it did make sense in a way. we may not have liked their reasons but the characters of the cheaters was so clearly drawn out...what was amazing is that these characters were dead and yet, we get to know them little by little through various means till a whole picture is built and it showed a far more complex picture.

here, the writing is all over the place and it feels like the CVs themselves don't have a clear idea of the character sketches. perhaps, they think that silences and stares are artsy and they dont' want to take the commercial kind of route with lots of dialogues. audiences shouldn't have to work this hard to try understand a drama. it needs to be intuitive.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: arshi_asya

This show will never actually pays attention to the most important aspects of relationships- communication.

Kunal-Nandini hardly talk. People talk, especially someone like Nandini who has come from a sensitive mess has to be talked about things by a man who claims to love her. Relationships are not just about constant assurances that Kunal does but more about trying to understand the partner too.

Even Nandini didn't dare talk to Kunal about sudden change of feelings. They can talk about this when they are alone. Being selfish doesn't always mean to be insensitive too (as they have shown). I have seen cases of selfishness but then there is underlying sensitivity there as well.
It's completely absent here.

Kunal-Maul couldn't talk. Hell, Kunal can't even talk to his own family & put up with her. It's all on extremes. WHY? If it's grey are then show it as one where people feel the grayness of the situation & not this mess where there will only be hate & disgust for characters.

I want to see a communication between Kunal's mom-Mauli where the two sensible woman can actually talk like mother-daughter & even that goes ignored. I want Kunal's mom to deal with Dida & still nothing is gonna happen.

In BV, Dadisa used to talk before taking any major decision. She would talk to everyone when she set her mind on getting Anandi married to Shiv. Communication was nicely covered there. And then, here, there is absolutely nothing on the name of communication, the type where two people talk heart-to-heart. It was somewhat shown in initial episodes, but now, Nothing.

Juzzbat have overshadowed everything else. There are no self-talks, pondering over actions, nothing. Audience is supposed to watch all of them like stupid people. I mean even Ishwari Dixit, Dev, Sona in KRPKAB used to do hell lot of self-talking even when they were doing wrong or right on certain times or ponder hardly on their actions.

Only person who has asked questions in this show is Mauli. Otherwise, everyone seems to have sold their brains to even ask questions & only work with assurances & promises.



sigh. nobody in this drama communicates or shares how they feel. now, even mauli is retreating into a shell and just staring into vacant space. instead of giving into dadi's emotional blackmail, it would have been such firecracker scene if all of them had started sharing how ridiculous this is and how they feel and why they can't do this.

rather than the affair, much of the audience problem with the show is the incoherent characters and writing of scenes. people might give into blackmail but they will still talk about how unhappy they are right? every single one of theses characters including dadi and yamini are self-absorbed at this point and insensitive to others feelings. no one wants to talk or ask "what's going on here?"
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06


Well we have been asking him to open his mouth since the beginning of this whole fiasco. The only time I have seen him opening his mouth is in front of Nandini because she herself does not speak. Hence he gets a chance to speak.

Frankly, the only reason this track made sense is to ensure that Kunal stays with Mauli and Nandini goes away. Then leap. I know its unfair on Mauli but there needs to be atleast one self-sacrificing diva in the show, right? But if they start showing that he is falling in love with Mauli again then they are literally rewriting the whole story and butchering his character on the way. There is nothing left there other than his commitment to Nandini. If they take that too away then what is left.

it would be a total waste of last 3 months. They could have just shown it as mid-life crisis from the beginning. If nothing, the backlash would have reduced.

As you say, not speaking really looks like a family trait.



@bold -- really hope the CVs don't do this because much of the viewers is here to witness mauli's journey. even though it is not easy to accept a cheating spouse back, it would be organic if there was actual counseling work involved and actual repair of a relationship. however, if mauli simply becomes a self-sacrificing diva, then many viewers lose total respect or concern for this character. so TRPs would drop even further. much of mauli's appeal to many viewers is that she is a strong woman. self-sacrificing diva = weak for viewers in this particular story.

from a TRP angle, they need to show mauli becoming stronger and moving on with her life alone. or maybe give her a new lead. the problem is that she seems to be actually dependent on his family and does not seem to realize that kicking him out also involves kicking out his family. at this point, even dadi and mom are toxic and seem to have no concern for her well-being and so really she is better off without them.
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Posted: 7 years ago

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@bold -- really hope the CVs don't do this because much of the viewers is here to witness mauli's journey. even though it is not easy to accept a cheating spouse back, it would be organic if there was actual counseling work involved and actual repair of a relationship. however, if mauli simply becomes a self-sacrificing diva, then many viewers lose total respect or concern for this character. so TRPs would drop even further. much of mauli's appeal to many viewers is that she is a strong woman. self-sacrificing diva = weak for viewers in this particular story.

from a TRP angle, they need to show mauli becoming stronger and moving on with her life alone. or maybe give her a new lead. the problem is that she seems to be actually dependent on his family and does not seem to realize that kicking him out also involves kicking out his family. at this point, even dadi and mom are toxic and seem to have no concern for her well-being and so really she is better off without them.



Yes, I would prefer all of them separate. Hopefully CVs do it because there is also a big chunk of TRP
audience that only want to see a married couple together. They lap all this drama up.

Anyways, as you said, this family really needs speech lessons because even Mauli who speaks so well in front of Kunal, becomes mute in front of everyone body else.

So going back to episode, if you want to go with symbolism, even yesterday they showed the same thing with earring. Kunal will try to carefully untangle the bond but Mauli might just be the one to do it. Hopefully, this is with in relation to their marriage bond and not the general state of their relationship where he is more careful and she is headstrong like we saw with the divorce??

The only thing good about yesterday episode was Nandini. Finally her conscience has started pricking her a little and Kunal is too busy to sense it to reassure her. Hopefully, they keep this consistent in the coming episodes.


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Posted: 7 years ago
Does anyone here think that the title of the show should be changed to "Khamoshi" or maybe even "Silsila Khamoshiyon ka?" 😕
Last night's episode was such a "Kuch Bhi" episode... Matlab Kuch Bhiii!!!!😲
If they were to get rid of the background music and the lines of those other show characters, was there anything of substance in last night's episode?? Dida did give a few instructions like a ring master to Kunal and Mauli and that's all the sound byte we got. Silence sometimes can be more impactful than words, but clearly there can't be just silence at this stage of the story.

Pamk06 - yetserday there were moments when I felt that, out of sheer frustration Nandini ka Kunal might make an appearance. I also expected Mauli to just shun everything and walk out at one point. But sadly nothing happened and we got more of those pukeworthy symbolisms.

Aur yeh Dida toh bohat tedi cheez nikli. She turned out to be one of those women who thinks that " mere phool jaise baache ko us aurat ne behlaya puslaya hai." If she changes her mind , then Kunal will come back to Mauli. And Yamini is another lost cause, did she even make an appearance yesterday? What stops her from having a private conversation with Kunal? Why does she not want to know what her son is up to?? She is acting as though she expected Kunal to do something like this. Like it was meant to happen or something!!

Such a dysfunctional family! And what about Mauli's parents?? Where did they go missing ?? Her mother, I am sure will be happy with this set up but what about her father?? This is beginning to look extremely UNREAL now!
And this is what happens on most shows. Zabardast ka track track dikhana ke chakkar mein they make all the characters look stupid .

Also , sometimes I feel the makers are loathe to make them talk because they fear that the leads will then look completely grey. They made Kunal get into an EMA, without revealing anything about his thought process. And whatever he was shown doing till now was shown in such a way, that it looks like he was merely reacting to circumstances, except of course for that love confession.
If they plan to continue these meaningless torture episodes, I won't stick around for long.

Nandini again baffled me yesterday - Mauli's mother's words seems to have affected her but what about Mauli's words??? Mauli also said the same thing about a woman's sajna savarna.. I think we should try dissecting Nandini's character again. I shall try to put down my thoughts and confusions about Nandini later, when I get the time.

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Posted: 7 years ago

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The thing that I feel with Kunal is that he expects problems to just resolve themselves. When he and Nandini got involved, he just expected the problem of this being an EMA to resolve itself. He claimed he didn't want to hurt Mauli and that's why he wasn't saying anything, but really he just didn't want to get involved in any problems.

Now that Mauli knows, he just expects everything to resolve itself. So when Nandini or Mauli make some new decision he just keeps quiet and goes along with it, expecting that it'll lead to a resolution where he will somehow end up in a good and happy situation.

I don't think he much cares about who he ends up with at this point. He just wants the issues to settle down and for him to be happy with whichever woman he ends up with.

I don't like this though. If he has committed to Nandini and professed his love, then why does he keep quiet in front of Dida? Mauli has already let him go. Why not just confess the same to Dida? Okay fine he doesn't want to hurt Dida. Then why doesn't he speak to or meet Nandini? How will Dida know if he did or didn't? I mean Mauli has already given him the green light. It's not like she'll go and complain to Dida that "oh look Kunal went to meet Nandini". The whole situation would be resolved and there is no need of a leap with Nandini leaving if Kunal would just take some action for once in his life.



I actually see two Kunal and CVs have been very consistent with this. One is Nandini's Kunal who we see only when he with her or fighting for her. He is strong, decision making , not tolerating any nonsense kind of a person. We also shades of this one when someone is wrongly accused, like in front of his MIL while defending aMauli and also when his BIL eloped.

Then there is this other Kunal who just does not argue, does not speak, does not take any decision related to family, who has learnt to give up to the woman in his life, who just goes with the flow of life almost like all those husbands who claim they have given up arguing with wives ( not true though) and blows up when there is emotional overload and even then his family shuts him down.

If you look, you can actually see the differences in behavior and body language. Shakti and the director has really done a good job there.

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