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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: nimmu96


@mango pudding.

it was interesting to see his reaction with mouli tearing the photographs. as I was listening to him, I was reminded of our earlier discussions of how people are either vaguely unhappy and keep moving in life or don't know if they are happy at all because they are so busy... basically those photos are good memories and so it wasn't a lie that he cared for her and had affection for her. but did he love her as a woman?

Did he love her like a woman?? I don't get this. Kunal and mouli were not just in a relationship. They are husband and wife. They had two years of courtship five years of marriage. In marriage they would have had all those intimate moments of husband and wife. To give it any other name as affection or friendship just because he found what CVS would call as true love is disgusting. If they try to say that it was friendship then kunal is worst character on tv for he has used a woman physically and financially. Better they come up with something like he did love mouli but felt a little more love for nandhini. Anything else would lead to comparing kunal with raj deep, one is aggressive and the other passive.


it sounds confusing right? am not sure if this concept has been explored in indian television (I have a short attention span and so I end up dropping many serials after 50-100 eps+) but have seen this concept in other cultural dramas. the first few times I was like "what???" but I have mostly got what writers mean when such line is uttered in the drama.

(EDIT: this was sort of explored in bepannah but not that well...)

just yesterday, was watching this confrontation in another cultural drama (they are engaged and she finds out that he is in love with another) and so her Q was "did you love me? not as a sister/friend who you felt affection or responsibility for but as a woman at any point?" and he answers with silence.

now obviously this sounds strange in this context considering mouli and kunal have been married for several years but what writers/CVs mean by such line is that it is possible to be in a long term relationship (even with intimacy) and have care and concern but still have that missing ingredient of that kind of passionate love where a man is willing to go all out for that woman he considers special.

now it is sad that this would occur but at least to me, this concept helps contextualize this drama as well as stuff that happens in real life. while I understand your point of view, I really hope that kunal does not say that he loves mauli but he loves nandini more. at least to me, that would sound like somehow mouli is second best and while I am not any team, in terms of character, mouli is a better person.

concepts like true love or falling out of love is harder for me to understand. tend to be a bit math oriented and so my instinct is to then ask "so what is false love then?" hahahahha... :D there is obviously no good answer but us viewers as well as mouli and the rest of the family do need some sort of clarity on what did happen here. hopefully, the CVs won't bungle up in that area.

the divine angle was really weird but it may have been more a foreshadowing technique that happens in literature classics but bungled up horribly by the CVs. if they wanted to justify an affair, then mouli would have been written as a bad character -- that has happened in a few ITV serials as well and so we accept that the person is choosing a kinder individual.

so as long as mouli is still being written as a good character, then despite the few mishaps, it still feels like the CVs are simply trying to explore a relationship drama. most relationship dramas are by nature messy and show how humans are flawed. so there is no particularly good or bad person and eventually everyone pays for the mistakes they make.
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Posted: 6 years ago
Demeaning a relationship to glorify other is worst in my opinion. Better CVS don't come up with any nonsense. Already the divine inclusion drama has taken a toll. I really don't understand the concept of soul mates or divine love. Not that I'm not in love or I'm not loved. But all these are glorified too much by tv. I have seen people questioning mouli 's behavior to elevate nandhini's character. This is not done. The CVS are bad narrators, they completely failed in their attempt to convey the viewers as to the circumstances for ema. Simply calling it true love doesn't suit the narration. For me it looks like a puppy love. And now to justify this puppy love we are scrutinizing kunal and Mouli's relationship. For me as a viewer kunan lack depth.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: nimmu96

Demeaning a relationship to glorify other is worst in my opinion. Better CVS don't come up with any nonsense. Already the divine inclusion drama has taken a toll. I really don't understand the concept of soul mates or divine love. Not that I'm not in love or I'm not loved. But all these are glorified too much by tv. I have seen people questioning mouli 's behavior to elevate nandhini's character. This is not done. The CVS are bad narrators, they completely failed in their attempt to convey the viewers as to the circumstances for ema. Simply calling it true love doesn't suit the narration. For me it looks like a puppy love. And now to justify this puppy love we are scrutinizing kunal and Mouli's relationship. For me as a viewer kunan lack depth.



@bold -- think it depends on what angle mouli's behaviour is analyzed. my cousin is a psychiatrist and she has cases where someone is considering second marriage and so want to dissect their past marriage to feel more confident as they approach a new marriage. it is not about justifying the ex behaviour but more about understanding what they could have done better or if they were areas of personal growth they need to work on. all relationships are flawed because as human beings, we are flawed. understanding what went wrong or what we could have done better can help us even as viewers to think about relationship dynamics which can be very educational.

as viewers, there will be various kinds and different people have different responses to the story. while I agree with you that the CVs could have done with a better job, they have also chosen a difficult approach to ema which requires lot of behavioural explanation. instead of approaching ema with a typical angle of where one of the characters is bad, they have made this instead a dissolution of a happy successful relationship. even in real life, if we would to see something like this, we would ask, "wait, what?????"

not sure if it is because of backlash or if it was intentional, the CVs really moved kunal-nandini falling in love phase super quickly. the focus of the drama seems to be more on the fallout of such actions on the characters rather than why it happened. so it is quite possible that the CVs may not even bother to give us viewers an acceptable answer to why and instead concentrate more on the result of the train wreck.
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Posted: 6 years ago
My opinion, to dissect your ex relationship is not to gain confidence but to wash off the guilt. Human tendency is to justify our choices.
That's why I said kunam lack depth. Instead of showing strong circumstances which led to their relationship they rushed with consumption and ilu ilu gimmicks. And now nandhini simply calls it pyar, Sacha pyar. Falling out of love is also fine with me. They should have shown the relationship strains of kunal and Mouli. Say if you consider kunal was affectionate towards Mouli even with physical intimacy it was pure love from Mouli's side. In this scenario Kunal comes across as bigger cheater. And here is where CVS have failed miserably.
Now no amount of justification seems to be working.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: nimmu96

My opinion, to dissect your ex relationship is not to gain confidence but to wash off the guilt. Human tendency is to justify our choices.

That's why I said kunam lack depth. Instead of showing strong circumstances which led to their relationship they rushed with consumption and ilu ilu gimmicks. And now nandhini simply calls it pyar, Sacha pyar. Falling out of love is also fine with me. They should have shown the relationship strains of kunal and Mouli. Say if you consider kunal was affectionate towards Mouli even with physical intimacy it was pure love from Mouli's side. In this scenario Kunal comes across as bigger cheater. And here is where CVS have failed miserably.
Now no amount of justification seems to be working.



Ofcourse they are cheaters. They have cheated Mauli and have destroyed her innocence, confidence and the happy life she was leading.

But the question here is Why'? What prompted Nandini, a person who gave so much importance to sanskars, for whom marriage was everything even though it was abusive to take this step? What prompted her to destroy that one relationship of friendship that was her only support in the world?
On the other side, what prompted a doctor nevertheless, who was leading a perfect life and was very happy in his marriage to take this step which he knew would destroy his life as he knew it?

Based on what CVs have shown us, as of yesterday's episode, it is not lust. It is much stronger emotion that they feel for each other and because of that they are ready to pay any prize. His taking her name was again a proof. Yes, we can argue it was because of Rajdeep but no. Even in that state, his care, his concern is Nandini and he remembers those words which were kind of her declaration of love which she has never even told him directly till date.

If his emotions for her were not strong, then don't you think subsconsciously he should be thinking about his confrontation with Mauli. That should have been more devastating for him than Rajdeep's physical fight and her heartbreak should have had an more emotional impact on him than Nandini's words.

It was not, because, for Mauli, between Kunal and Nandini, Kunal is more important and for Kunal, between Mauli and Nandini, Nandini is more important. This is the one of the messages that Cvs showed us yesterday and they did it back to back. It might change today but as of now, the story stands here.

I would not call him shallow or weak, because if he was than he would not be currently standing in his house facing the wrath and trying to make amends. He would have walked out as soon as Mauli saw them together. That what happens in real life, people run away.

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

I don't think he feels his love for nandini a mistake at all because he is even muttering her name in his sleep. and when the phone rings, his entire body language is completely focused on the phone much to mouli's shock and anger. you can almost see him battle his urge to pick up the phone vs keeping the peace with mouli.
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as for his punishments, it is hard to understand unless we know where his intentions are. my guess was that he meant that he was okay with mouli dishing out whatever they do in nasty divorces like fighting for alimony, defamation etc. however, mouli was translating his punishments to mean that he wants to fight it out for their relationship and willing to apologize.



Yes, agree. For him those photographs were good happy memories and when they happened, at that point, they did reflect the true state of their relationship which was of a perfect and happy couple dThey were not a lie. At that time, he did believe he loved her. Whether he did or not is still a mystery.

Regarding punishment, after I read your post, I do think that he was asking in terms of Get out of my house' or Do not ever show me your face' terms but she took it as a sign of reconciliation or apology where he is saying that he is come back and is breaking all ties with Nandini. I just wish, Nandini would not have called at that time, It would have been interesting to see his response but the Cvs did that purposely to keep the mystery.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06



Ofcourse they are cheaters. They have cheated Mauli and have destroyed her innocence, confidence and the happy life she was leading.

But the question here is Why'? What prompted Nandini, a person who gave so much importance to sanskars, for whom marriage was everything even though it was abusive to take this step? What prompted her to destroy that one relationship of friendship that was her only support in the world?
On the other side, what prompted a doctor nevertheless, who was leading a perfect life and was very happy in his marriage to take this step which he knew would destroy his life as he knew it?

Based on what CVs have shown us, as of yesterday's episode, it is not lust. It is much stronger emotion that they feel for each other and because of that they are ready to pay any prize. His taking her name was again a proof. Yes, we can argue it was because of Rajdeep but no. Even in that state, his care, his concern is Nandini and he remembers those words which were kind of her declaration of love which she has never even told him directly till date.

If his emotions for her were not strong, then don't you think subsconsciously he should be thinking about his confrontation with Mauli. That should have been more devastating for him than Rajdeep's physical fight and her heartbreak should have had an more emotional impact on him than Nandini's words.

It was not, because, for Mauli, between Kunal and Nandini, Kunal is more important and for Kunal, between Mauli and Nandini, Nandini is more important. This is the one of the messages that Cvs showed us yesterday and they did it back to back. It might change today but as of now, the story stands here.

I would not call him shallow or weak, because if he was than he would not be currently standing in his house facing the wrath and trying to make amends. He would have walked out as soon as Mauli saw them together. That what happens in real life, people run away.

Just because he is ready to face the wrath of his family doesn't make him sinless. Did he have a choice. At the end of the day hr should face them.
Coming to the point were i started commenting in this thread was when question was raised regarding mouli and kunal's relationship. To call it friendship or affection is simply ridiculous. It looks as though people are way scrutinizing their relationship just call kunan pure or sacha pyaar or whatever.
If kunal shared friendship sort of relationship with mouli, then I feel he has outraged the modesty of a woman very passionately..
Why kunal fell out of marriage or why kunan fell for each other has not been constructed properly. As of now from whatever narration they have created kunan come across as creepy selfish people who are ready to start a relationship on the corpse of mouli. Even when nandhini speaks to herself she says i should go and ask apology from mouli whether she forgives or not. Now what to think from this she is not at all bothered about mouli but to get rid of her guilt she wants to apologize.
And the credit for such a scenario completely goes to the CVS.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1



it is interesting that as a wife, we would agree with mouli priotiorizing love over friendship and her firmness in cutting off the friendship with nandini. whereas, nandini makes the same call and we are asking "but why?" ... guess at the end of the day, the CVs are saying that our priorities are like a pyramid and there can only be one at the peak and we have to be clear in what that is...

and yea, I agree with you @summmerrain7 -- nandini had compartmentalized her love for kunal and kunal as mauli's husband as two different areas. the shift was probably subtle in their interactions where he moved from "kunal mauli's husband" to just "kunal".. perhaps, we missed it in the noise or maybe the CVs were a bit too subtle but it was probably there in the beginning itself. this compartmentalization cannot happen suddenly but built over time.

one reason that she was willing to just wait in the shadows was because of her friendship with mauli but since that is now broken, the gloves will come off and she is going to be very open about how she feels for kunal. she has absolutely nothing left to lose. the person who has lots to lose is kunal and so it will be interesting to see how he reacts...


i think mauli still thinks it was a fling from kunals side, a attraction. She has clearly not forgiven him and is actually confused now as to what to do with him.
Also we have to remember this is the second time nandani has choosen someone else over mauli. nandani was given a second chance whereas with kunal it is the first time that he has broken her trust.
And she did tell nandani leave kunal out, its between our friendship & how could you do this to your friend

i dont think mauli has choosen love over friendship but choosen to see the betrayal of nandani
i dont think she is going to forgive kunal too she is going to see that as a betrayal too
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: nimmu96


@mango pudding.

it was interesting to see his reaction with mouli tearing the photographs. as I was listening to him, I was reminded of our earlier discussions of how people are either vaguely unhappy and keep moving in life or don't know if they are happy at all because they are so busy... basically those photos are good memories and so it wasn't a lie that he cared for her and had affection for her. but did he love her as a woman?

Did he love her like a woman?? I don't get this. Kunal and mouli were not just in a relationship. They are husband and wife. They had two years of courtship five years of marriage. In marriage they would have had all those intimate moments of husband and wife. To give it any other name as affection or friendship just because he found what CVS would call as true love is disgusting. If they try to say that it was friendship then kunal is worst character on tv for he has used a woman physically and financially. Better they come up with something like he did love mouli but felt a little more love for nandhini. Anything else would lead to comparing kunal with raj deep, one is aggressive and the other passive.

there is something called as polyamory . some people are polyamorous by nature. If we talk about romantic & sexual attraction they can have it for 2 people at same time and also love 2 people at same time. the only thing is that people in such a relation are honest with their spouses about it. Maybe kunal did love mauli as a woman and also later felt love for nandani also. As this is new maybe his feelings for nandani are more pronounced.
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Posted: 6 years ago
@naq5
May be possible. That's what I wanted to say. But simply saying kunal and mouli lacked intimacy or Sachs pyaar and now what kunam have for each other ultimate love is not working for me.

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