'Intolerance to luv'was a waste of time Amir. - Page 10

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet

Accept the fact that other's have a different view which shud also be respected...

Understand the intensity of the feeling if parents have to kill their own children and for that u shud first understand what a child means to his or her parent...

Once u understand this u wud then try and understand how intense this feeling must be which motivates parents to kill their own child...

I have just highlighted what this feeling is all about,why parents feel like this and what motivates them..

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet

gosh...literates of no use with blind minds...
##### Refreshing to see SUCH an honest self assessment.FINALLY!

cant u understand what I am trying to say...
#####YOU don't understand yourself...who are we to attempt the impossible!

its not about u its about those who have problem...then y is everyone coming up with examples of inter religious marriages...
##### YOU refuse to face reality-THAT is why!

u wanna show how great u guys are?
##### NO-just to show you how shallow AND rigid YOU are!

if examples mattered then world wud have been a different place...
###### Examples are a reality you refuse to acknowledge.

I remember a line from Schindler's list...the fmaous speilberg movie...
#### WHAT??? YOU are quoting the decadent WEST???POLLUTING Indian culture? Do you also celebrate Valentines day (* shudders with horror!)

Its in human nature to "envy" and equality and thought of equality will never exists..
##### Go understand WHAT you heard in a MOVIE-get somebody more intelligent to explain.

I am sorry it was in "enemy at the gates"
##### Oh PLEASE don't apologize for mistakes-else you will be doing little else for the next 28 years!

I am not supporting or opposing any stand...those who have no objections with inter religious marriages fine...that's good
##### Changed your mind-oh Ye of little faith! What if the divine parents disagree? Change it again-doesn't seem very stable-flip flopping ALL over the place every other minute/post!!

But do not expect or hope or preach how noble it is as an idea...
#### YOU don't get to decide what others hope or preach-haven't we patiently heard you preach your nonsensical garbage?

Becoz for those who have issues and objections should also be respected...
##### DO follow your own preachings & respect obverse opinions.

Both the feelings should be respected and no one has right to claim they are modern or superior and others are orthodox...
### BUT you ARE orthodox AND intolerant

If same gotra marriage is opposed,it is opposed for a reason which can be scientifically proved.
.##### HOGWASH! Do NOT insult the scientific temperament-you don't even possess a passing acquaintance with it,You Bigot!.

if inter religion marriages are opposed they are for a reason...no one is fool or orthodox to do it..
####### HOGWASH & BALDERDASH-you are both -a fool & orthodox by your OWN limited yardstick!

Like we have some responsibilities towards our society we also have responsibility towards our faith our religion which is our identity and most important the identity given by our parents...
#### ALL hail the RSS,Muthhalik & others of the loony brigade!!

All I have written is about preserving the identity by law and constitution becoz not every has the understanding to respect other person's identity his faith and his religion...
### YEAH we KNOW that from your ravening rants.

If u still feel religion doesnt matter then look around and give me the best other reason for the blood shed other than religion...
#### Intolerance of hide/gotra bound parents???

The fact is...respect the stand other's have and dont just preach how great you are by giving examples which are unique...
#### None of us is claiming to be unique-we are the majority-YOU are claiming to be unique-THE ONLY one who has SEEN the truth!

Accept the fact that other's have a different view which shud also be respected...
##### Learn to actually PRACTICE what you want OTHERS to do!

Understand the intensity of the feeling if parents have to kill their own children and for that u shud first understand what a child means to his or her parent...

Once u understand this u wud then try and understand how intense this feeling must be which motivates parents to kill their own child...
#### You have NO RIGHT to speak for parents @ 28 you couldn't be one unless your PARENTS tied you up in a child marriage BECAUSE OF THEIR LOVE for you?!

I have just highlighted what this feeling is all about,why parents feel like this and what motivates them..
##### OH HUSH about parents-You are NOT one & if,God forbid you are-my condolences to your children.

Most important I have highlighted how we can stop this and we can only stop the blood shed if we improve rights of parents over their children through constitution..
#### You will be a nightmare father-treating them like chattel

Only then the matter will be between parents and children and outsiders can be ruled out..
#### Presumably,under YOUR dispensation,Children's spouses are the OUTSIDERS-Do you realize how INSANE YOU sound?!

Becoz if parents who have rights over their children do not have problems their child marrying someone from outside then it is none of anyone's bussiness for that matter neither relatives or others from the community to intervene..
##### Did you see the light & resign from the Khap you were card holding member of till 5 minutes ago when you proclaimed banning same gotra marriages was based on scientific reasons????

Now in most cases the entire family,relatives and community gets involved and the matter which shud be ideally between parents and children then becomes a matter of family and community and the result mass killings under the name of honour..
No. IDEALLY it should be between the two getting married & the rest of the kith and caboodle can toddle off to hell.

I dont think if parents give a go ahead or approval it is anybody's choice or interest to intervene,becoz they wud know parents themselves have approved it...
#### I don't think parents have any business to with hold their consent to two consenting ADULTS

I concentrated on increasing and protecting the rights of parents and those commenting are concentrating only on religion...
#### The Children of foolish parents-THOSE are the young adults whose rights need increased protection

and sharing examples of their family when it matter least and infact is no where related...
### I BEG YOUR PARDON? W*F does that mean? If anything!

why wud parents who themselves married someone they love wud have objections against someone whom their child likes...
####EXACTLY!!! SO YOU want to protect the rights of THOSE parents who had an arranged marriages to inflict the same on their children-that IS deranged!

My entire article was about those who have problem,why they have problem and how by amending law and protecting rights of parents we can curb pacify and lower the killings and objections by parents ..
#### Your POST (not article)was undiluted TWADDLE!

It was never about those who dont have problem,why they dont have problem.
.### You WANT those who don't have a problem to HAVE a problem OR explain WHY they DON'T have a problem????

Simple article taken to some other way just becoz one idiot is responding continously and highlighting as if i am talking against inter religious marriages..
#### II plead guilty to being that idiot! because you ARE arguing agaist inter-religious marriage...continuously you CRETIN.Your types should be ignored into silence!

what wud examples of inter religious marriages do...
##### Set an example,moron???

they wud do nothing becoz those who have problem dont even come to this forum ..to look at ur examples and learn from it...
#### OH BUT they DO! YOU are here aren't you with your insecurities on flaming view.

If world was tht intelligent then we wud have seen a lot more peace than it is now...
#### If the world was intelligent...YOU would be conspicuous by your absence.

For god sakes.concentrate on my suggestions to improve rights of parents and instead of religion which is only one of the factor and not the factor on which i wrote an article...
##### You can't comprehend what you are writing & please.SHHH about greater protection of our rights-we may use the increase protection to SLAY idiots.

And for one and the last time please stop giving examples of who married whom and from where and which religion or country...

### Finding truth unpalatable are you? Do you want examples of parents who have killed their children in the name of family honor.Killing the family to protect the honor of the family IS severely oxymoronic

Concentrate on how we can highlight and stop those who have issues with so called "modern thoughts"
##### OK.GOOD IDEA! Start with YOU??

Tht's wht i have done ..
#### What EXACTLY are you claiming you HAVE done apart from frazzling our patience politeness & brains????

People are giving examples over here and believe everyone shud follow them becoz they are great and have done something special..
.##### Which is far more admirable than you rattling your confined cage

If one out of u wud have commented on my seven pointers suggesting change in law and protection of rights of parents i wud have appreciated that..
##### NOBODY addresses BS-most just hold their nose & avoid stepping in it.

but every one over here is busy bombarding me over highlighting how religion plays a bigger role..
###### Well? If the cap fits...

and people have not spared parents as well and labelled them as killers of lovers..
##### Calling a spade a spade is ALSO verboten in your credo?
Are you a mutant reincarnation of HITLER????

are there people and children so blind in love that they dont see any thing else done by their parents...and can only highlight how parents kill their children in love..
#### Back to square one-just like a trained monkey.

wud have appreciated if someone wrote about why parents kill their children in love...
##### Y-E-S.

anyways...no time wasting...
#### OH THANK GWAD YOU ARE LEAVING!

I hereby clarify that my article is not against any religion or community or faith,I have only highlighted what prevails in the society,what I have seen in past 28 years of my life...what parents feel when they hear about their child in love,what are their problems and how constitution favours only children and why there is a need to protect rights of parents...
#### Adding arrant lies to arrant nonsense???

If u dont understand this then fine , keeping posting about ur greatness and ur families too and get as many likes as u want..and offcourse contiue bombarding me for wrong reasons ..
.#### We are not even TRYING anymore to understand you--You are too STUPID,RIGID AND BORINGLY pedestrian

Hope now u wud understand the feel of the article and read it again and understand what i have tried to convey..if any one replies with a change in view and proper understanding of what i tried to convey my job is done..
#### No we won't understand.EVER.And no thank you your suggestion we re-read the tripe you posted is FIRMLY rejected.Once was bad enough.NOT masochistic by nature.

Good bye...and see you later on some other forum
##### OH NO! You contaminate OTHER fora too?

well enough of the serious arguments and what i think and wht u all feel ..
###### Don't worry your empty head about it-no one REALLY took you seriously or are you impervious to Irony,Sarcasm AND insults??.

Do read my other articles on India forum about your fav shows probablyDo read my other posts on India forum and the links are below
####WHY? Nobody listening there either?Victims tend to be fast learners once the dorment self-preservation instinct kicks in!!

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/punar-vivah/2938103/punarvivah-season-2-episodes-now-in-fan-fictions

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3015729/letter-of-thanks-drashti-return-soon-after-mb-ends

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3015643/love-u-princessa-madhubala-fan-fiction

Thanks and Regards,

Vikrant Khatri.

Originally posted by: Chitrashi

@znursingh

I'm upset with you, I thought I WAS that "idiot who constantly keeps posting", please don't take away my moment of glory :)

After so many posts, I've finally been acknowledged. I hope to some day receive a response to my posts.

By the way you missed an earlier gem, just go to page 11 and read the illustrious post where the TM claims something on the lines of "children are a result of fun the parents had". With such high opinion of parenthood are you surprised at "rights of parents"?

I myself didn't bother to read the entire post, nor this one, till you responded to it :)

My two cents on this:

- Firstly dear topic maker get your facts right. Masses do not accept inter-religious or inter-caste marriages? Do you know the biggest grosser of last decade is Gadar? A film about marriage and love story of a Sikh and a Muslim girl! No film could break its records till date. Not even 3 Idiots! Emperor Akbar is probably the most celebrated Mughal ruler - and he married Jodha Bai - a Hindu and let her practise her religion as she wished. Or did Jodha bai's father forget Indian culture and hypocrite gave away his daughter to get protection and for political reasons? That man was arguably the first Mughal emperor who was accepted and loved by masses also. Indians keep voting Rahul Gandhi as some youth icon - and he is a child of an inter-racial and inter-religious marriage. People didn't kick Rajiv Gandhi when he married an Italian girl Sonia!

The biggest superstar of this country, Amitabh Bachchan is child of an inter-religious marriage - his father being a Hindu and his mother, a Sikh. The Khans are married to Hindu women, and Aamir even let both his wives practise their own religion, did not even tell them to change their surnames after marriage. All are accepted by public. Their inter-religious background never made a dent in their popularity or acceptance.

How do you say shows or films on inter-religious, inter-caste, or inter-community or inter-state marriages get banned because they are against culture? 😆

Manu was a Brahmin. How come King Gangadhar, being a Kshatriya, married a Brahmin girl and made her Rani Lakshmi Bai? Wasn't it inter-caste marriage?

Against Indian culture stuff is bullshit. Lack of acceptance by ''masses'' (in YOUR opinion) is also insufficient argument against this issue.

- Yes some times stuff like forced conversion and Love Jihad happens. But I am always skeptical whether Love Jihad exists for sure, or is it a term coined by Hindu fundamentalists or Christian fundamentalists? There are always two sides to a coin. Communities like Christians in India, who are already in minority, might feel their existence is threatened due to inter-religious marriages so they call such stuff Love Jihad in case of Muslims and oppose it in case of other religions. And majority communities like Hindus always feel ''threatened'' by minorities trying to ''take over''! A lot of bullshit stuff happens in name of ''protecting culture or religion''.

- I think the episode clearly showed that both parents and children need to trust each other, confide in each other and both families of kids need to be sensible, have proper talk with an open mind, instead of getting enraged on account of just religion or caste! Aamir never said one should ignore his family, run away with lover or go to Love Commandos, forgetting family or society!

- I agree girl has to go to new family and one can never tell what her love marriage has in store for her. I think if parents and families are open minded, trust and respect their child then the child can turn to them and ask for guidance. Parents are fanatical about caste or religion, more harsh on girls in general so the girl never gets chance to confide or take her own decision! I don't say girls are right in running away, leaving their parents in lurch. The root cause of the problem here is mindset of some people - their notions of parents' lifelong dictatorship over the child, girl or boy being carrier of family honour/tradition and notions about caste/community etc. We are so consumed by such bullshit that we forget that we are HUMANS first!

Shouldn't respect, tolerance and feeling of brotherhood with all humans be above man-made factors like caste or clans? History is replete with instances of bloodshed simply because we chose to disintegrate into labels of caste or religion or race, and forgot basic humanity!

- I only believe it is utterly wrong on part of parents or clans to make it a matter of honour and even kill their kids if they happen to wish to marry a person outside their religion/caste/race.

It is also wrong for girls and boys to simply run away and take a big step like marriage, without thinking of consequences or checking each other's background properly. Don't just rush into marriage! All things like whether the girl would be allowed to choose her religious faith after marriage or not, whether families will accept or not (the notion of ''some day they will'' is too filmy) and what will be effects on kids born from such marriage (they shouldn't face ostracism due to parents' decisions!) - everything should be considered. In some Love Jihad cases, girls were forcibly abducted and made to study Islamic scriptures to get a hang of the religion before they were converted and forced to marry. So those girls should have been careful and vigilant about guys they would hang out with.

Girls (and their families) need to be very careful of what they are getting into! A girl is equally vulnerable in both arranged and love marriages - simply because she has to change her family and go to a new home altogether. Blindly obeying parents also does not guarantee safety. But being naive in ''love'' is also risking their own lives!

Every inter-religious marriage is not love jihad! I find it laughable how Muslims are accused by Hindu fundamentalists of using Hindu girls, while Islamic fundamentalists accuse Hindu girls or luring Muslim men and ''polluting'' their religion!🤪

We first need to be RATIONAL in terms of how we look at our religion and how we look at others! Don't consider every other religion as some rival or something evil!

- Families should agree to talk to each other. Respectfully. Don't treat it like a boxing ring, making demands or threats. And don't pretend to agree to your kids' demands (when you're in your mind completely against such alliance) just out of parental love! Make kids understand pros and cons of everything - give your reasons too, but respectfully, have a heart to heart talk. But sadly, parents are adamant, too angry or indulge in emotional blackmail even when they decide to talk!😕

- Society should change notion towards love and love marriages. Majority still look at it as something forbidden or filmy or a bad influence of the West!😆 And look at lovers as wayward, spoilt and of loose character. A run away girl (arrey, even a girl who just expresses she is in love!) especially is considered of low morals, loose character and ''easy''!🤢 No wonder police and others have such worse attitude towards lovers who seek protection from them against killers!😡Again this is a crooked mindset problem on our part! So called cultured people who even want daughters to bear domestic violence to protect family honour!😡

- I'd only say we need to be logical, look beyond duffer notions (like love being a filmy thing or other religion being some threat), do our duty as per demand of the situation! The police can't ask lewd questions to lovers or beat them up when they come to ask for help. Consider them as people under threat, who need your protection - not stupid lovers or some easily available girl or loose character. Do your duty of protecting them and maintaining law and order! That's it! [Far-fetched notion I know!]

- I agree Aamir's show must have covered subject of forced conversions, torture and abuse of girls from one clan/religion in name of marriage to person of another religion. It is wrong that his show left this angle completely unexplored. 😲

- Finally, parents do a lot for their kids, but it does not mean kids are their property or some robots whose each move in life will be remote-controlled by parents. They need to understand their child is an individual who has a mind and life of his own. Not a pet animal to be tamed!

Conversely, kids should also not look at parents as ATMs or shelters, they can abandon or return to any time or expect them to pay for their mistakes or make up for their bad decisions any time. And don't blackmail parents or expect them to accept everything you want to do, but never bother about their feelings at all!

Family should work out things together, reach some consensus than engage in fights.

And killing someone is NOT at all justified by any means, for sake of any culture of so-called family honour. Priyanka's family has only brought shame to her and their family by getting Rizwan killed. They ruined both families and individuals' lives. Honour killings and ostracism do no good to anyone!