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Shwetha

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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

@keenu...ofcourse...iam even thinking of opening ASC officially...i want top post somewhere...bt totally scared to enter todays discussion posts...😆

abt raunak-BP...

Raunak..after getting some opposition from the family and Panna can get a second chance...becos...first he left telling he will be back when he becomes successful...and he took this decision after seeing Panna sad as well as te family...yes he shud not have left the family like that...thats a big mistake...bt he wasnt selfish as BP was...

BP on the other hand...left his wife, children and family for his career and for another women...he is totally selfish here...and he should not get a second chance..and that too after sooo many years...

Yes...Raunak too was selfish...he was not selfish to get into career heights when he left...bt he wanted to get his old position back...so i think if Raunak seriously thinks he has made a mistake and is a changed man now...he can get a second chance...

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keenu gill

@Keenu.G

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Posted: 14 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: meenakshi_16
keenu i m still struggling with my thoughts😆...

😆 meenu take you time 😉 tumhare paas poori raat padhi hai sochne ke liye 🤣

Is okay jus share whatever 😳

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meenakshi

@meenakshi_16

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Posted: 14 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Keenu.G

😆 meenu take you time 😉 tumhare paas poori raat padhi hai sochne ke liye 🤣
Is okay jus share whatever 😳

i m only thinking whether to give raunak second chance or not...sometimes i feel that he shuld get second chance after all mistake sab se hoti hai...he did same wat BP did but within few span of time he even realised his mistake(or yet ...but he will soon)...but as in case of BP i dont think he shuld be forgiven...BP toh saari zindagi aish hi karte rahe aur bechari BM ki zindagi aise hi nikal gayi...and now when he is willing to came back it is very late

Edited by meenakshi_16 - 14 years ago

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madhu_d

@madhu_d

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Posted: 14 years ago

#24

Keenu you came up with an interesting discussion...
Rounak and BP are 2 different personalities..

BP is more selfish..he has taken jhoot ka rasta to achieve what he wanted in his life. 4 him money is all and b coz of him d joint family was forced to suffer a lot , were forced to curtail all the enjoyments in their life.. if alok had not taken up the responsibility and had rano not a good natured person what would b the state of inder-panna & ilesh.??? when he is in state of loneliness he remembered his family that too after 20 years..i just cant stand this person..he does not deserve 2 b the member of Kashyap family..and i dont want him to b accepted by any one when he comes back.

Rounak is very different..he want everything to b perfect and he used to get all he wanted in life on his terms and conditions..he has not failed in any of attempts before...but when the situation reversed he couldn't bear his failures...moreover he was unable to c the suffering of panna as he loves her very much..and when panna told him that she is unable 2 show her effection in 2 same way as before..he crumbled...thought he has b com as an waste..and left d house... wanted to come back only after emerging victorious...and moreover he had savings which the family can get along to some extent..i think he had done mistake which can b rectified..but what BP did is unrectifiable...

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Sheema

@infinity00

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Posted: 14 years ago

#25

Excellent post very thought provoking in an environment these days when cv,s are PROVOKING us to break our tv sets and laptops!!!!!
I am kind of disappointed here as Raunak and Panna,s track deserved some respect, some lime light, but on the contorary with this silly lead character, s funda it has bee treated like a filler where this track had some substance to it.
Any ways with what ever we got so far one thing for sure, Raunak and Eshwaar both would NOT change as they both are egoistic male - - g-!! for sure. Even if they are forgiven they will see it as there RIGHT , that's in my opinion seeing the characters behaviours so far.
Raunak, s situation was slightly different , agreed, but the impact is no less then BP ,s departure, but having said that an example comes into my mind where a CHORI is a chore wether for 10 rupees or 10,000 rupees in the eyes of laws, but the consequences could be different as a poor person, s last 10 rupees for his roti is way more important than a rich man, s 10,000.
Reasons were wrong in both cases , but BP , s reason had greater impact on more people directly attached to him. If Raunak would have killed himself then yes the devastation would be huge but atleast Panna would not have to live with this that Raunak ditched her and her children in the middle so casually as if some body get rids of junk from his drawer.
So if it was me in Panna,s place, I will not FORGET what Raunak did but might forgive with time but one thing for sure people like Raunak may feel for a while but will not change in the long run and Panna would remember this.
Eshwar Kyshap has no right to come back in there lives, he simply doesn't.

Edited by venture - 14 years ago

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@avyarima

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Posted: 14 years ago

#26

Panna's husband case is stupidity, while Dadi ma's husband is selfishness...totally different!!!!!

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Keva

@Keva

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Posted: 14 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: Keenu.G

thank you for liking the topic 😳 agree with everything you said!
@red tht's one of the reason which prompted me to compare the situation... since raunak doesnt realli deserve forgivness for wht he did, and the reason tht hes held captive is becoming a reason to forgive him when he doesnt deserve it! cauz god knws if he would have died, panna and her in laws would be in same condition as BM and kashyaps.. but he survived..
I want him to regret wht he did, but i dun think tht's gonna happen... esp with piya and her father coming in [which is one of the reason why most members are not bothering to think deeply about this track acc to me]

No need to thank me for liking your post I was planning for many days to discuss this issue but just never had the time and luckily you made the post and so thanks a lot. 👏 It was bothering me a lot that they messed up this track with Piya and her father. 😡

I really want Raunak to regret as well. When a person decides to get married there are certain responsibilities that come with it and should accept those responsibilities. If you cannot accept the responsibilities then it is better that you should not get married. Raunak leaving just goes to show that he can quit anytime. What guarantee is there that he won't do it again when everything in his life falls apart again??? He just cannot be forgiven because he was being held captive by Piya and her father and sadly I think this is going to be the reason Panna will forgive him. It would have been a great track if they had just shown that he was out looking for a job and/or living with his friends and then he realized what he had done and came back and asked for forgiveness and then I would like to know if Panna would have forgiven him or not. There is no right or wrong answer here everyone has their own opinion but being able to give a reason as to why she would accept him or not is the issue here. I would have really liked to know what reasoning she would have given for forgiving him or not forgiving him. At the end of the day he did leave them even though I agree he should not be forgiven at all I want a better reasoning other than he was being held captive by Piya and her father and hence he could not comeback. That is just a lame reasoning according to me.

I think the problem is that women in India are generally expected to forgive even when husbands are wrong. Family members will say wow he came back and said sorry so you should forgive him and all that crap. Frankly speaking if I was in Panna's place I would never forgive no matter what even if God came and asked me to forgive I would not do it. I would tell him thanks for coming back and I am glad you did not hurt yourself but now I would like to file for divorce. 😊

It would have been an amazing story if she does not forgive him because then we could have seen how she would have moved further in her life. Would she have married somebody else or would she just want to stay single? Does she plan on pursuing her career as a teacher further? They could have done better with this track but sadly they are going to go down that same path lets forgive and stay happily ever after.

Edited by Keva - 14 years ago

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MadameX

@MadameX

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Posted: 14 years ago

#28

Was a reason for Bade Papa leaving and remarrying given in the show? Because I was thinking that if the showmakers are going to have the audience sympathize with him when he returns, they might show that Bade Papa married another woman so he could obtain American citizenship and Visa for himself and his whole family. That happens a lot in America (in fact, my dad did it too). I don't like the reason but I was wondering if that might happen.

By the way, this was a nice discussion.

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keenu gill

@Keenu.G

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Posted: 14 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: Keva

No need to thank me for liking your post I was planning for many days to discuss this issue but just never had the time and luckily you made the post and so thanks a lot. 👏
ALL I can say is high Five yaar 😆

I think the problem is that women in India are generally expected to forgive even when husbands are wrong. Family members will say wow he came back and said sorry so you should forgive him and all that crap. Frankly speaking if I was in Panna's place I would never forgive no matter what even if God came and asked me to forgive I would not do it. I would tell him thanks for coming back and I am glad you did not hurt yourself but now I would like to file for divorce. 😊
You knw i realli like how you are taking this situation, you are looking at it very practically so i m impressed and honestly I think the same way... 😳

It would have been an amazing story if she does not forgive him because then we could have seen how she would have moved further in her life. Would she have married somebody else or would she just want to stay single?
But you knw in SGP we have seen tht they priority is the family.., panna being daughter of person like Badimaa with her sanskaar would neva do something like tht.. she will accept him but i m very sure she wont forget wht he did.. The reason behind her acceptance of raunak would be the in laws

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keenu gill

@Keenu.G

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Posted: 14 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: Sachi16
Hey Keens... first of all... Nice post for the discussion... 😊
your welcome Ditto 😉

Badi Maa and Panna are in the same situation... there are many differences in Panna & BM's situation.. Raunak wants to return within couple of months.. and BP after 20 years... Time plays a important role for someone to forgive & forget the past... 😊

Raunak ran away coz of failure... whereas BP cheated BM & left her with 2 children... was more painful to BM.. Mistake also plays a role that how big it was & how much pain that had given to someone...

Agree with your perfect summary of the situation 😊

Panna's Scenario --

now Panna has Raunak's dad and Mom, but what if when they won't be with her... how she wud handle herself.. she also has to run house financially...
If Panna doesn't want to forgive Raunak.. then she has to forget her past & move on in her life... she is young, she is not binded with Child...

but if she can't forget Raunak... & still loves him then it's better to forgive coz it wud be difficult after certain age to live alone... It's depends on Panna... how she wants her life...

According to me... Raunak still deserves to be forgiven.. he ran away coz he was not able to handle failure... if Panna doesn't forgive him... he will lose everything & again will run to suiside... it's better to give him another chance & support him to be strong to fight with the situation...

Badi Maa's Scenario --

Now to Badi Maa, her husband left her... at that time... she had children, she had Dadaji, Dadiji like her Mom & Dad, she had Alok to support financially... and Rano to support Mentally... she had to think abt Children & hence she was not able to give away her love & responsibility towards Inder & Panna... she fought her battle...

but now after 20 years... her husband came back coz he lost everything... If we look by BM's nature... she inside of her heart still feels for BP.. coz she loved him only, Bp is father of her children... all that memories is making her weak to forget him... & move on... she might forgive him coz she never keep grudges towards anyone...

But According to me...
BM shud think that she has her Daughter, Son, Daughter-in-law & Grandchildren Meethi.. they can keep her happy till she lives... she won't be alone.. and hence... BP shudn't be forgiven nor he shudn't be given chance to be a Kashyap family member inspite of being in such a bad condition... he doesn't deserve... he is plain selfish man... but he shud come back & see how BM & his children r happy with family & wihtout him ... that can make him regret & realize what he had lost in his life...

You knw Sachi im very impressed with how you divided up the scenario into two parts and explained them nicely!⭐️ you should do this more often! i guess most of us here have similar thinking, everyone believes tht none deserve forgiveness but a person who could get it is Raunak~ 👏

Btw dittoji you should write long post more often than jus ditto 😉😆
they are good to read

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