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hello friends
As we wait in eager anticipation for Rudra,

Saras continues to live in our hearts as a man who epitomized love

And commitment

Yet this is not how GMT has visualized him.

The saras of SLB was poles apart from the 'original'

A very interesting discussion on Twitter On this started on Twitter and we decided to come back to

Our fav adda and carry on the discussion without the restraints imposed by 140 characters and also have a free discussion from all those who have read the source and can provide insights on who was the real SarAs as conceptualized by GMT

Was he a man who symbolized love and commitment, or was he a man who was commitment phobic?

Was it his superhuman strength that defined him, or was he a weakling?

Was his relationship with Kumud pure love or was it the ultimate treachery?


So doston, share your views and discuss on!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi ,
It is so nice to see your post here on SC after a long time .
I feel GMT created a character of Saras as a modern , progressive man . I don't think he was a traitor but maybe not ready for commitment. He was not stereo type of a man .He wanted to reform and uplift the society.Marriage was a hindrance.
Secondly, he knew Guman's evil nature .He knew she will make his wife miserable and she will not be happy in this household.
Kumud was strong she could have helped Saras with his vision of modern society if she married him .
Till the end Kumud was in his heart . The end of the book describes that Saras had built a special room in his palatial house in Bombay , where he had hung a portrait of Kumud in that room . Nobody else could enter that room and everyday he would go and stand before Kumud's portrait . It was a pure love .
When the novel was written critics asked GMT that when he is talking of reforms in his book why did not get Kumud remarried ...why did he shy away from widow re-marriage . Character of Kumud was based on GMT's daughter who herself was widow. The daughter never wanted that Kumud should marry. So he did not get Kumud remarried .
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Originally posted by: rosame

Hi ,

It is so nice to see your post here on SC after a long time .
I feel GMT created a character of Saras as a modern , progressive man . I don't think he was a traitor but maybe not ready for commitment. He was not stereo type of a man .He wanted to reform and uplift the society.Marriage was a hindrance.
Secondly, he knew Guman's evil nature .He knew she will make his wife miserable and she will not be happy in this household.
Kumud was strong she could have helped Saras with his vision of modern society if she married him .
Till the end Kumud was in his heart . The end of the book describes that Saras had built a special room in his palatial house in Bombay , where he had hung a portrait of Kumud in that room . Nobody else could enter that room and everyday he would go and stand before Kumud's portrait . It was a pure love .
When the novel was written critics asked GMT that when he is talking of reforms in his book why did not get Kumud remarried ...why did he shy away from widow re-marriage . Character of Kumud was based on GMT's daughter who herself was widow. The daughter never wanted that Kumud should marry. So he did not get Kumud remarried .

Rose, I had no idea KUMUD was modeled on his own daughter. And there's been so much criticism on Saras's marriage to kusum, but I understand that their relationship was platonic till the end, can you tell something more about that?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics

Rose, I had no idea KUMUD was modeled on his own daughter. And there's been so much criticism on Saras's marriage to kusum, but I understand that their relationship was platonic till the end, can you tell something more about that?


Wow. That's quite a revelation, Rose...

i didnt know about the room with Kumud's portrait, either... Still dont understand why GMT had to do that to Kusum in the book... Did she have morpankh tendencies? I thought not!!!! That abomination could only have come from the "writers" who wrote for TV and had to prolong the show's life...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Saras love for kumud was pure and unconditional.
By the way nice to see u back arshi.
Will coment in detail later on this topic.
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Thanks Rose, for mentioning that Kumud's fate was mentioned on GRT's daughter's. Now it makes some sense. The writer stuck to the prevailing social conditions since the issue was present right there in his house.
Can you tell us more about the Sundargiri conversations?
Also, what made Kumud force Saras to marry Kusum? If she opted out of re-marriage, the stigma of getting Kusum married to anyone else would be much less. Right? I say this because, there is a talk in the movie where Kumud's bua questions how they will get her second daughter married if the elder one remarries.
Also, Kumud was already 'tainted'(due to the revelation of Saras-Kumud relationship in her in-laws' house). Was that the reason that the family worried about Kusum?That Kumud's character would hamper prospects of Kusum's marriage?
Other than the above reasons, which didi would want her sister to go into a marriage that had no future. She knew Saras would not have anyone else in his heart. So Kusum kind of got sacrificed. For no reason?
Kumud didn't want to get married again and wanted to do seva of her FIL n devar. Saras wanted to become a sanyasi after Kumud's rejection. No one asked Kusum what she wanted?
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Thanks Rose, for mentioning that Kumud's fate was mentioned on GRT's daughter's. Now it makes some sense. The writer stuck to the prevailing social conditions since the issue was present right there in his house.
Can you tell us more about the Sundargiri conversations?
Also, what made Kumud force Saras to marry Kusum? If she opted out of re-marriage, the stigma of getting Kusum married to anyone else would be much less. Right? I say this because, there is a talk in the movie where Kumud's bua questions how they will get her second daughter married if the elder one remarries.
Also, Kumud was already 'tainted'(due to the revelation of Saras-Kumud relationship in her in-laws' house). Was that the reason that the family worried about Kusum?That Kumud's character would hamper prospects of Kusum's marriage?
Other than the above reasons, which didi would want her sister to go into a marriage that had no future. She knew Saras would not have anyone else in his heart. So Kusum kind of got sacrificed. For no reason?
Kumud didn't want to get married again and wanted to do seva of her FIL n devar. Saras wanted to become a sanyasi after Kumud's rejection. No one asked Kusum what she wanted?


I haven't read the book Santhi, but I recall Samarth saying that Kusum was never interested in marriage and she too was very ascetic in nature unlike our Passionate morpankh. So it was an 'ideal' match, as she could now lay claim to the status of a suhagan yet remain detached as she was. They both are supposed to have become good companions devoted to Samaj seva together.
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Wow. That's quite a revelation, Rose...

i didnt know about the room with Kumud's portrait, either... Still dont understand why GMT had to do that to Kusum in the book... Did she have morpankh tendencies? I thought not!!!! That abomination could only have come from the "writers" who wrote for TV and had to prolong the show's life...


Sahi Baat happy, morpankh was entirely the creative idea of our pyare cvs who made kusum into this lusty character.

Btw, have you seen rang rasiya the movie? Very interesting film!
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Originally posted by: JENAMTheBest

Saras love for kumud was pure and unconditional.
By the way nice to see u back arshi.
Will coment in detail later on this topic.


Thanks, and would love to read your views on this.

The enigma called SAras still fascinates us all, more so because we haven't read the original
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Quite an interesting conversation here on the book.
@pasumarthisa Kumud never wanted to remarry . Though Desais' wanted her to marry Saras . Saras too never wanted to marry anyone . But he had to run the big business empire of LN so he had to come out of his sanyas besides Danny had died in an accident in foreign land. So the responsibility of running business empire fell on Saras . Therefore as a big businessman he has to have a marriage partner ( i believe a social responsibility ) to be accepted in the society .
Desais' felt that there is no better groom for Kusum than Saras. Kumud persuaded Kusum to marry Saras. Kumud feels Kusum is the best available girl for Saras to marry. Meanwhile after Pramad's death his mom also dies. Alakh is married off .Buddhidhan leaves his vast property to Kumud . That money Kumud gives to Kusum as wedding gift . BD also wanted Kumud to remarry Saras.
Now the most touching part is during bidai , Saras touches Kumud's feet ...an apology . Both of them cry . But Kumud says she is happy that Kusum will take care of Saras and Vyas household.
After Danny's death , Guman is changed and she welcomes Kusum very warmly . She teaches her the western manners cause she has to accompany Saras when he goes to meet British bosses . She showers her with beautiful sarees and persuades her to learn English .
Kumud too visits them at festivals and other big occasions but she is unhappy that still Saras and Kusum are living separate rooms . She tells Kusum to be read books to be mentally equal to Saras .She tells Saras that Vyas' need an heir . Last she sees Kusum entering Saras's room.
Saras did ask Kumud to help him run Kalyangram . I think she refuses .
LN is happy too for Saras but one thing that bothers him is that Saras has tears in his eyes whenever comes out from the room where he has hung Kumud's portrait.
Rest is for the audience to judge .
Regarding Pramad , Saras knows that he is good for nothing . But both of them hardly meet each other . He repents that he has pushed Kumud into a bad marriage . But he never stays in BD house . His house is next to BD's house where the room balcony of Kumud's faces his room. Alakh has a soft corner for Saras ...Kumud does feel jealous.And reprimands Alakh .

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