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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: Gul.S_Ef


@Bold and U maybe this is the reason Saras is not confronting that sicko, did u guys noticed in todays epi Saras was quite disgusted with kusum when she approached them with her luggage he didn't even helped her just stepped back.


Saras I think has realized the infatuation completely. With kumud he did use very harsh words for Kusum. Like Quaid karna etc. He is I think now worried that she will throw herself at the slightest instant and that leads to a messy situation.

I think only saras realized kusums intentions so far. If he tries to reason with her and she cries foul or manipulates it it will be a problem because for VC n Guniyal she is still a ziddi doodh peeti bachhi who is now in a mentally Precarious situation. I'm sure people will misunderstand him. I got that feeling seeing what VC said today. They all are just testing this plan but don't know kusums intentions.

I think saras wants others to see what he sees in kusum. And that list starts with kumud. If Kumud sees it, half his job is done. Because he needs support on his side if kusum frames him. Right now he has just barely managed to convince them of his decision to marry kusum to Danny.

Until yesterday I thought saras not speaking to kusum firmly was nonsense. Today I feel he is alone in the real sense. So he needs to rally support .


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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: hotdogg

hmmm...

Kumud is making some tentative steps to reclaim what's hers and hers alone..

However, I fear we will start reverting to the mean from tomorrow..

- Kumud has no clue of the marriage plans made by Dadaji...and looks like she will start blaming saras again for keeping him in the dark...

- Kusum's vile and delusional taunts - making it out as if saras & she were a couple and kumud came in between - and blaming kumud for deceit will make kumud revert to to the Teacherni mode to prove her innocence...

...Fully expect her to promise to Kusum that she will not marry saras till Kusum is happy or some such illogical shit...

Well it was good while it lasted...
😔



Hope there are no promises or shapaths.

Rest I agree tomorrow she will be in defensive mode or firefighting mode. Hope that phone call is carried through. Too much to expect though.

But kumud is getting crushed in this and Mr and Mrs VC are not even in the picture.

Waise I loved dadaji. The actor is a natural. And finally there is another character that is so strong and stands out apart from saras n kumud.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: annete

only out of morbid curiosity how will this all end ...it generally ends with either of the two gettin a fatal blow on their head...whose turn is it now ...i hope they meet yamuna ke par ...just the two of them for us for a whole week would be just awesome..😉


Whole week. Hehe. Uss week ke baad saras ki halat dekhne laayak hogi. Waise humne jo gaana pick kiya - 'samarpan ki bela' woh kab aayega:-))

I am loving this dadaji. The actor is very dignified and so natural. Dadaji kusum se baat kiye tho?

Pramad will be back and then one of them will be in trouble. So we have time I guess.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: smrth

Other than the first scene, I disliked the episode. Blame game is too much, and so is Kumud's naivete.😕 Why does she suffer such blame in the first place? Who is Kusum to come in-between in the first place?🥱 What is her locus standi other than an avaricious imposter?🤢

But Matter is no longer between two sisters. Saras must rebuff her in no uncertain term, " You are strangling me masum Kusum, enough! I am not a trophy that you may fabricate your claims over with some most weird, far fetched coincidence. Even if Kumud was far off, happily married, I detest your advances, knowing full well my pre existing allegiance to your elder sister😡." This should stop her tirade to a vulnerable elder sister- easily susceptible to emotional blackmail. 🤢

But now there lurks another danger. Having tested 'victim' card, she may assume offensives. Is she going to entrap 'trophy' himself? Watch out. Other pair of Payal is coming out towards a sinister use...though only one thing is not fitting; how a consciousness primed to sense a tiniest whiff of his beloved's presence could be duped in person?😕 But then, cvs have already achieved this tarnish with Kamarband. Hope they don't duplicate further damage. Hope Saras will be more 'consistent' this time over.
Christmas over.


Smrth, I loved the episode because it marked the coming out of kusum, so as to speak.

Now the family is also aligned itself with Saras and Kumud,

I have the same foreboding as you and Hgg

She is going to turn blacker, and entrap Saras herself,

In fact this track is so reminiscent of ipk and the words you want Saras to say to her,

Are akin to what Khushi said to Shyam, when she rebuffed his advances


I have a very very nasty feeling, that post greh pravesh, Saras is going to be trapped, in a manner

Where the whole family, including even Danny will stand against him, for as you said in your

yesterday's post, it's extremely hard for a man to cry rape, and she is going to up the ante in that

direction.


I don't think Kumud is going to be duped,

I think that's when Kumud will come out in support and assert her faith and love,

but Saras will be gone IMO



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Posted: 11 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: Arshics


Smrth, I loved the episode because it marked the coming out of kusum, so as to speak.

Now the family is also aligned itself with Saras and Kumud,

I have the same foreboding as you and Hgg

She is going to turn blacker, and entrap Saras herself,

In fact this track is so reminiscent of ipk and the words you want Saras to say to her,

Are akin to what Khushi said to Shyam, when she rebuffed his advances


I have a very very nasty feeling, that post greh pravesh, Saras is going to be trapped, in a manner

Where the whole family, including even Danny will stand against him, for as you said in your

yesterday's post, it's extremely hard for a man to cry rape, and she is going to up the ante in that

direction.


I don't think Kumud is going to be duped,

I think that's when Kumud will come out in support and assert her faith and love,

but Saras will be gone IMO




True Arshi. As I said yesterday, am not liking Kumud's merciless disregard of Saras's feelings altogether. Though there is a 'sadistic' explanation...a vague picture yet not fully thought out...😕
-she is empathic, she is righteous and she is compassionate to almost all others- but 'One'!😭 As accommodative to known offenders like Pramad and Kalika that she forces herself to 'forgive'/defer..🤢...To her own, she is even more partial. Exhibit: Kusum.🤢🤢...so what makes her so insensitive to Saras? Only one explanation ( other than 'Cvs'😆) He is the one whom she considers part of her own!! Only one 'haq' she considers exercising without 'asking'! Like a stringent test she would not flinch undergo herself (remember Dukhba-Saras dialogue on her?!), she is extending same 'trial' on him as a right. Here lies the trouble. Though they stand integrated, he is very much a separate living entity with his own aspirations, compulsions and His own moral dilemma. This last part, she is not factoring in or even considering! That is her injustice to him.😡
Now on his part. Agreed, he does have valid moral dilemma...Arrey, Forget morals and propriety and all such gibberish. He has every right not to 'like' someone. To not succumb to Kumud's devious proposals and tactics- 'haq' or no haq. But why is he expecting only Kumud to convey his 'suffocation'. Why is he asking only her to forestall Kusum when he clearly knows her 'fix'?...further to this mess- Why is he even allowing a hypothetical 'haq' by Kusum that he needs to counter with a proclamation? That of his 'reserved' fidelity to a 'legally' engaged Kumud? Why should they need any such 'declaration' to a rank outsider third party? Sister or no sister, she is an outsider when case is 'they two'. In this scenario, why is he not telling her off straight away?... He expects Kumud to reject Pramad in no uncertain term. Why not same with Kusum? He is not even 'married'...Why all these; 'masoom', 'sambhal ke', 'her imagined haq on me' etc.? Dude, time for chivalry is gone. Some plain talk is In order IMO.

Of course, not until Cvs deem it fit 'enough milking'.😕..in this light, Arshi, was Kushi as much 'enabler' through her goodness initially? Or she rebuffed this third party straight away? I don't know anything about IPK.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56
Kitne acche samskaar hain saras ke.
Just by following ritual nothing happens is what is being suggested.

But each ritual is tied to an ideal and if it's followed with shraddha it will surely give the intended benefit.

And Danny is in this mess but with love n faith. So saras insisting for this ritual makes sense. Its a ritual where sasural welcomes bahu. So saras n danny doing their part is important.


The way he said 'humari bahu' - is he from kalyug?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth


True Arshi. As I said yesterday, am not liking Kumud's merciless disregard of Saras's feelings altogether. Though there is a 'sadistic' explanation...a vague picture yet not fully thought out...😕
-she is empathic, she is righteous and she is compassionate to almost all others- but 'One'!😭 As accommodative to known offenders like Pramad and Kalika that she forces herself to 'forgive'/defer..🤢...To her own, she is even more partial. Exhibit: Kusum.🤢🤢...so what makes her so insensitive to Saras? Only one explanation ( other than 'Cvs'😆) He is the one whom she considers part of her own!! Only one 'haq' she considers exercising without 'asking'! Like a stringent test she would not flinch undergo herself (remember Dukhba-Saras dialogue on her?!), she is extending same 'trial' on him as a right. Here lies the trouble. Though they stand integrated, he is very much a separate living entity with his own aspirations, compulsions and His own moral dilemma. This last part, she is not factoring in or even considering! That is her injustice to him.😡
Now on his part. Agreed, he does have valid moral dilemma...Arrey, Forget morals and propriety and all such gibberish. He has every right not to 'like' someone. To not succumb to Kumud's devious proposals and tactics- 'haq' or no haq. But why is he expecting only Kumud to convey his 'suffocation'. Why is he asking only her to forestall Kusum when he clearly knows her 'fix'?...further to this mess- Why is he even allowing a hypothetical 'haq' by Kusum that he needs to counter with a proclamation? That of his 'reserved' fidelity to a 'legally' engaged Kumud? Why should they need any such 'declaration' to a rank outsider third party? Sister or no sister, she is an outsider when case is 'they two'. In this scenario, why is he not telling her off straight away?... He expects Kumud to reject Pramad in no uncertain term. Why not same with Kusum? He is not even 'married'...Why all these; 'masoom', 'sambhal ke', 'her imagined haq on me' etc.? Dude, time for chivalry is gone. Some plain talk is In order IMO.

Of course, not until Cvs deem it fit 'enough milking'.😕..in this light, Arshi, was Kushi as much 'enabler' through her goodness initially? Or she rebuffed this third party straight away? I don't know anything about IPK.



@Bold.

Perfect smrth!
Ghar ki Murgi Dal Barabar...And it does happen in your closest relationships...if you are not careful enough...you love and know a person so well and so closely that you start taking this person for granted!... That's so ironical and counter-intuitive...but so true. 👏

As to why he doesn not confront?...

..I think he will eventually...but right now the entire infatuation and its implications are only just starting to sink into him now..

...All this time kusum and her feelings were a sort of disembodied third person format..."she loves you" was a phrase only...and he felt getting her married to a person who really loves her will sort it out..

...the epi a few days back when he was on the receiving end of her attempts at physical intimacy were a horror for him too..

...ONLY NOW he's begun to realize how far gone is kusum, when she blatantly initiates such attempts...and crosses all moral red lines in the process...she's married to his brother so is a SIL and almost DIL coz Saras is the head of remaining Vyas family...and a saali coz Saras & Kumud are a couple...

... Being the Gentleman he is, he is course correcting the only way he can...with class... first of all by taking kumud in confidence and asking her to set things straight...since kumud has more haq over kusum due to her beind the elder sister...

...Unfortunately, another reason why I fear this crap will still continue...

I also feel this incest theme is a classic formula of the current writer...
I have not seen IPK...but from friends what I know is that this is the same mirror image...

In IPK the hero's sister's husband wanted to get intimate with the heroine... at that time the hero and heroine were attracted but not bound by marriage...and the heroine did not want to cause pain to the hero's sister who was married to the creep...her rebuff's increased in intensity but to no avail...finally in order to neutralize the creep's advances and to save the heroine, the hero finally and publicly marries his heroine...whome he loved anyway but was too egoistic to admit!

... The stage has been set..with saras asking he will wait until kumud publicly declares she is his..

So we are on this path...but expect more perversion on the way...

Edit:
Arshi & other IPK fans could confirm if my understanding of IPK is true and is this a mirror image of the same formula being attempted..


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Posted: 11 years ago
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^^^
Yes HGG, he will eventually. But so much perversion on the way!🤢...incest- a theme I abhore- you know my 'Kusum aversion' from the eves beginning...Better take my weekly/monthly off switch.. Thank god cultivated...😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Arshi
Beautifully explained. The opening was so good. I loved it so much. But Finally Kumud has to open her eyes and see her sister for what she really is. Saras is there backing her up all the way . Kumud also has the support of her dadaji and her entire family.
Dadaji was on top form saying that Kumud cannot let go of Saras for a zid of his other granddaughter. He will not allow it to happen nor will stand to see his precious Kumund unhappy.
Kumud will surely win this battle. How long wih this track am so irriated by Kusum kept thinking of all evil ways to get rid of her and Kalika.posted by mena_k

Originally posted by Arshics

What a superb episode

1. Kumud nahi boli

Nahi bolegi

She will not think about herself

Till this kusum mess is stored out

Pyaar hai, fiqr hai, Vaada bhi hai

Irada bhi hai

Ikraar bhi hai,

But Kumud nahi bolegi

Haq nahi dikhayegi



2. The grand old man will not skirt the issue

He will not allow his one child suffer, just because she has the strength to do so

He will not allow the selfish one to blackmail the family and hold them at ransom

So, his call for the marriage of Saras and Kumud

Serves as the war cry


3. And kusum declares war

All pretense is shed

And her true nature completely comes to the fore

Her whole behavior from the word go

Was that of a demanding, mean, petty, spoilt, selfish

Girl who has never grown up and has never learnt to deal with situations

And a girl who, completely looses her head when she doesn't have her way



4. And this will open Kumud's eyes to the aasteen main saanp

Her sister has become

She will finally realise that

Her over indulgence has converted a dormouse into a monster

And now I hope that Kumud will accept

this call to war,

Like Arjun, fight kusum

With Saras as her sarathi


A good fast paced tight knit episode

Crisp and taut

And now the war is on...


But this time bheeshma pitamah is not with the kaurava

And the he has also opened the eyes of

Dhritrashtra and gandhari


Danny Kiska saath dega, iss ladai main?

So a gripping episode

Saras and Kumud, saath hain

Saath the aur saath rahenge


Wonderful post Arshi😊


As for Kusum, tomorrow seems like the day Kumud will straighten this not so straight behen of hers. I could see Kumud the teacher back in her with the support of saras guidance. Danny will certainly be on the side of his brother and bhabhi.


Kudos for Dadaji, he is the only one who can think in the entire family and capable of taking decisions other than saras.


My only worry remaining here is kusum-danny-saras living under one roof. Pata nahin ye kusum naam ki chudail kya kya gul khilayegi.😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sir ji, have you not read any of my posts on the writer and his work?😆

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