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Arshics thumbnail
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Posted: 12 years ago
#41
Ivy,
Solid points.

Nandy,

Abhi samajh main aa gaya. Last night I didn't respond because I wanted to see the epi again before replying, but still haven't got a chance to do that.

Par Ivys post is like a rerun of the epi anyway!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ivy-


Lub you right back 🤗

Bold: Main hoon aap ke side me ji... 😳 It was a really shoddily done epi, Nandy. Chock full of blunders and missteps. I don't pay two minds about whether that constitutes nit-picking really, to me those are not trivial things... And I'd rather give an honest take, or else give nothing at all =)

Question ji: Since we agree on epi, at large, what about the slap? I am convinced it was an intentional one. And launched at the mention of 'jaanwar' only. Kumud ne poore hosh-o-hawas mein lagaya



It was NOT accidental at all. But it was not planned either. The pre and post slap dialogues and reactions gave it away IMHO.

You want to believe Pramad has changed and your love for Saras is your past, go ahead fool yourself, you want to defend Pramad, make your marriage work... understood that too. But has Saras even looked at her or touched her inappropriately since her marriage? She knows Saras will not even do that in his dreams. The slap was for chavani class and TRP aunties. Look at Kumud's facial expression, barring of teeth as she slapped him, not accidental at all.
If Pramad asked her not to say anything to Saras, give him some time to get over her - why didnt the pati vrata sati savitri listen to him? Why was she sitting there in the dark waiting for Saras to come home, it appeared she was looking for a fight, to take our her bhaddas on him.
Very bad writing.
The freakin' ehsaas between Samud is over. Dont give me the silly sketching of the eyes which the master artist can produce with her eyes closed.

Waise, Kumud is super talented yaar. I cant draw a straight line with my eyes open. 😛

On another note - WTH was Saras wearing?
Edited by Infofan - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Infofan



It was NOT accidental at all. But it was not planned either. The pre and post slap dialogues and reactions gave it away IMHO.

You want to believe Pramad has changed and your love for Saras is your past, go ahead fool yourself, you want to defend Pramad, make your marriage work... understood that too. But has Saras even looked at her or touched her inappropriately since her marriage? She knows Saras will not even do that in his dreams. The slap was for chavani class and TRP aunties. Look at Kumud's facial expression, barring of teeth as she slapped him, not accidental at all.
If Pramad asked her not to say anything to Saras, give him some time to get over her - why didnt the pati vrata sati savitri listen to him? Why was she sitting there in the dark waiting for Saras to come home, it appeared she was looking for a fight, to take our her bhaddas on him.
Very bad writing.
The freakin' ehsaas between Samud is over. Dont give me the silly sketching of the eyes which the master artist can produce with her eyes closed.

Waise, Kumud is super talented yaar. I cant draw a straight line with my eyes open. 😛

On another note - WTH was Saras wearing?


Bold 1: Second you with a resounding yes! She reacted, upon Pramad's insult. But for the sake of the TVT aunty's Saras-Kumud equation took a big hit in my eyes today. I'm seriously questioning Kumud, and in exasperated 'awe' at Selfless Love ka Greek God for STILL persevering with this dumbness and blindness ki murti.

Bold 2: Pramad was very calculative. He knew Kumud would do exactly that - confront Saras with a silver duct tape on her mouth, and her eyes spewing fire. The bhadass could also be due to the fact that aaj bhi usske mann mein Saras ki chhavi basti hai... She has 'won' Pramad but uske wajood ne khud usse dhoka de diya. When push came to shove, in the solitude of her thoughts, Kumud could not stand up and support her 'choice' (Pramad) to herself. She could not sell that bullshit to her core which only Saras has touched.

Bold 3: Same pinch. And she just had to move the pencil inches up from paper for sketch to magically materialise 😆

Bold 4: White shirt by my recall... You lost me here, Nandy ji 😕
Edited by -Ivy- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#44
So now I am going to attempt something really brave and get a lot of thappads of my own!
And that is try to understand this tangled mess called Kumud Sundari Desai- nee- Vyas-nahi-Dharmadhikari

You know, bad writing and poor editing aside, I kind of got what when went brought last night

And the clues came from episode and from Santhi and Ivy's posts

Now that Pramaad is in her pocket, she remembers Saras ?

It's not that at all.

Kumud has always been a fighter, taking on battles and winning them has been her mission in life

In this she has always had the support of those who love her

Till now her heart and her head have been in sync


Ab shuru hoti hai shadi

Another battle for her to fight

And she takes it on headlong

For the first time, there is a factor called Saraswatichandra that means that her head and heart are not in sync.

So what does she do? Like any general fighting a battle, the head takes over the heart.

Every bloodbath on the way to victory is simply a feather in the cap

Victory is the only thing that matters, because defeat has impacts too gruesome to even contemplate.


Till the war is won, and the general sahib sits back to survey his winnings, and then realizes that he mourns more for what is lost and than enjoying what is won.

Thanks Ivy, for bringing that to notice, when she is alone, she will be afraid to look into the mirror

Because then she will always see the chavi of Saras. She needs pramaad by her side always as a reassurance that all is right in her world, and she picked the right war, and that it was worth winning.

That's why BD And SD approval is all important for her

Because she cannot face the truth to herself, having lived the lie for so long!


She will believe pramaad always, because therein lies her sanity, she will defend pramaad always, because she killed Saras to be with pramaad

She will allow pramaad to poison her mind, because Saras lives too much in her heart !

Because dimaag pe control ho sakta hai, dil ko maarna padta hai!

That's what she is doing, that's what she has been doing, that's what she did yesterday.
Edited by Arshics - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#45
ivy & arshi-

still on vacation...but hv kept in touch thru the Baby CB...

managed to catch the 2nd seg of yesterdays epi...from the time pramad comes in with the puppy face and complains to kumud...

here's what I think...purely on the saras - kumud angle...rest all nautanki I have stopped to make the effort to think through..

- LIKED your analogy Ivy regarding kumud being the master of the conquered land...this was the missing piece in my theory..
- the way I look at it...kumud being the ziddi / obdurate one...her only focus till this time was making her marriage work...which she had gone about with single-minded, pig-headed focus...blanking out everything else...much like the time when she was during her "get saras out of his shell" mission many eons ago.
- well now its "Mission Accomplished" moment for her...
- AND now things are getting interesting...
- With nothing else to focus on now...she's slowly realising that her feelings for saras still haven't changed...
- It was her Rational Mind (logical, analytical, dispassionately focussed on winning the objective) which was in the drivers seat all this while...
- Only now when there is spare mental and emotional bandwidth, is her sub-conscious mind awakening and becoming dominant...Imagine this as her conscience, her heart of hearts, what cannot be named (since naming it will shatter all she think she has won) now putting its finger up and saying "in the new scheme of things, where do I fit in?"...

- Ergo right now she is in the middle of a tug-of-war battle between her rational mind (which has just won the battle and wont let this win get negated) and her subconscious mind (where the truth resides and whose presence unbalances the neat little order brought into her universe by the rational mind)

- THIS internal battle has just being joined. It can only be joined at this stage, and not earlier, because at least one issue had to be decided clearly for making a comparision...the issue finally decided at least from kumud's perspective is that now she can hope to live the rest of her life with the Pramad she had ALWAYS Wanted and expected when she decided to marry him in response to saras telephone that night so long ago

- and now when she expects to be content and in a "I have moved on" phase, shes slowly realising that she just can't!

- which is why you see the scenes where shes trying to duplicate some of the things she did with saras for pramad...and ends up getting saras!...the eyes thing...though havent seen the said scene...only read about it...

- In which context...I felt the requesting saras to leave now dialogue before and after the thappad was a desperate rationap mind activity...get the source of truth out of the way so that Mission remans Accomplishes

- And the thappad was involuntary...happened when she waa trying to jerk free of saras touching her...he was holding her hand!...He Had NEVER held her hand after marriage...that scene to me was reminiscent of their courtship scenes...the bittersweet Hadd & Haq dilemma Ivy...

- Also Ivy to retrieve your imagery...into the toxic Black once again a Red drop has fallen...trying to salvage the remnants of the previous Red which has been broken up and consumed by the toxic Black...but which stil remains as remnants ...

- Lastly...everything above could be WRONG...the current CV team does not think this way...it just felt this is a cool filmy way to get the next epi out...so they can collect their paycheck...

- By the grace of God...if he above is what they intended...(Pramad end-game is coming up soon. At the end when Kumud and her convictions get shattered...she should jave been adequately 'prepared' to relook at saras...otherwise to the TRP aunty wont get it)...they are spectacularly ill-equipped to direct it! :-)




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Posted: 12 years ago
#46
to add to the above...a quote by Churchill...

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But there it is.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi hgg, kya same dimaag kaam kiya hamara! And such a sharp explanation from you.

when are you back? Miss your daily analysis
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Arshi,
I didn't say that she is now thinking abt saras now that pramad is on her side. It was opposite. I said her feelings for saras were inside and she never tried to look at pramad with love before. As it was a different struggle everyday. Today when she tried saras came out.

I think she is fighting but her ego is getting too big. That she is the best judge. Its gonna be punctured soon.
Agree with hotdogg ji. There is a tussle in her now.
Edited by pasumarthisa - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Arshi,

I didn't say that she is now thinking abt saras now that pramad is on her side. It was opposite. I said her feelings for saras were inside and she never tried to look at pramad with love before. As it was a different struggle everyday. Today when she tried saras came out.

I think she is fighting but her ego is getting too big. That she is the best judge. Its gonna be punctured soon.
Agree with hotdogg ji. There is a tussle in her now.



I know. In fact your post first made me see that. My first reaction was pramaad iz herz now why does she remember Saras. It was ur post that clarified that she never had time to think of love befofe last night.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics



I know. In fact your post first made me see that. My first reaction was pramaad iz herz now why does she remember Saras. It was ur post that clarified that she never had time to think of love befofe last night.


Phew. Thanks ji.

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