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kaadal

@kaadal

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Posted: 12 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: arshicritic

Yes, I too found it total logic ki vaat. And kya bhaagi high heeled sandals main. I wanted to name the CB, fast and furious, she was running fast and he was furiously ringing the temple bell!

But other than that, superb epi

And suprv verse from you Kaadal, on Kumud's and Saras's standpoint, but also a question

Don't you think, Saras pyaar ke aage farz kurban kar raha hai, and not the other way round.

His farz is to be loyal to BD, not incite his bahu against his son

Arshi, high five on that. I actually phrased it like that the first time but then I felt Saras doesn't still feel his farz is to be loyal to BD, his farz now seems only to help Kumud out in her troubled life. She was his love before but more than love she has become his life's farz, to see her happy. I don't think he is doing this to incite Kumud against Pramad. he can't see her suffer like this and the only way to stop it is to expose Pramad. He respects BD, feels obliged to him for saving his life and giving him shelter and under this obligation and respect he would do anything for BD but when weighing BD & Kumud, I feel still Kumud would come first.

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Arshics

@Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Marriage is not a sham. That is why she is sincerely trying to keep it together from falling apart. Promising someone and promising the same in front of fire is different. It has social validity. Thats why friendship between Rama and Sugreeva was made with fire as witness.

I agree with you on their flaws. But at the end, both are good natured and deserve each other. That keeps things simple. Right?

And agree with you that, Santhi. Shaadi is shaadi and breaking it a big deal. There are huge social, legal implications to it.

@mini7

And yes, they both are flawed, in fact they all are!

As for getting pissofied mini - okhali main sar diya to moosal se kya darna!

Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago

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pasumarthisa

@pasumarthisa

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Posted: 12 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: arshicritic

True Santhi, her logic is flawed and her arguments weak. But her courage is undeniable, and as Reemz pointed out in CB yesterday from story acceptability POV also this is required, for a Kumud who walks out after she gave her 110% to the marriage will find acceptance for her decision to walk out and unite with Saras again. A Kumud who walks out today will always be questioned and guilt stricken.

For Saras and Kumud to have a future, Kumud must give this Agni pariksha, sad but true!

That's why the song I chose, for I still feel, galti Saras ki, sazaa Kumud ki , riwaz yehi samaj ka

I agree Arshi. I did say from day 1 that I like here sincerity of efforts in trying to keep this marriage together. And the efforts strengthened. I admire her today a lot for that. For being proactive.

Still, Saras promised moon but couldnt keep it. Pramad didnt promise me anything so he is better. That is not the right thought process. Very very narrow for a person of Kumud's stature. I am saying marriage itself is a promise made by Pramad. Whether he accepts or not. Its all about Pramad now. She is clear in her thoughts about this marriage.

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kaadal

@kaadal

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Posted: 12 years ago

#34

arshi--

right now his farz seems to be to sort out kumud 's condition which is what he is trying to do...pramad is the collateral damage in the effort..

between farz towards kumud & BD...obviously kumud is higher priority.
😊

Replied and then saw your reply. Exactly, his priority is only Kumud and I had also written the same between K & BD, it will be always K. 😊

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@twila

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Posted: 12 years ago

#35

Hey Friends...

Firstly , i know i am really late , but still ... EID MUBAARAK !! to all . 😊

Now coming to the epi ...

@ Arshii ... Great Song selection ... Beautiful words. 👏

and the summing up also , as wonderful as ever . 😊

The episode was indeed quite good in terms of the drama impact ... powerful ...

and the best thing that it was fully SAMUDlicious ... these two are such fine actors that it is always a treat ... BUT ... i am not happy...

Infact, fully agree with Happy Chappy and Nandy ,that i am disappointed ...

Kumud getting on her high horse ... Me ...My decisions ... Me Strong ... you Weak ...passing all those snide remarks about Saras not taking responsibility ...while she is the Righteous one ... in this avatar...trying to become all " Mahaan " for the sake of family and siblings ... being soo SelfRighteous ... frankly gets irritating.

Where is the Greatness and Glory in standing by PATENTLY Wrong decisions ...It is good to take the responsibility for ones decision...and we all appreciate her courage ...but please do not try to aquire the halo of greatness ,when your decision turn out to be wrong ...accept the mistake .

Ofcourse it is the requirement of the story that she can not leave Pramad, so we shall have to bear this atrocious logic of sacrificing her selfand her happiness for the greater good of all ... but i really hope thta the CVs do not go down the " Pramaad Sudharo " track... that man is evil and he should stay that way.

and really i can not stand her Insulting and passing Snide remarks about Saras any more ... earlier onecould bear it cause we realised that she was lashing out at him in anger... but now fter knowing the whole Truth...after coming to some kind of Peace ...deciddingto make a new beginning ...still she is being so mean to him...Hurting him ...Insulting him ... it is only a Gentleman like him and his selflesslove for her that he bears with it unflinchingly ...buti truly want the CVs to stop with these dialogues now .

The one dialogue i truly loved intoday's epi was by Saras ...when he decided to even fight with the Almighty for Kumud . 😊

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa
Arshi, didnt see the epi but read the WU.

Nice choice of songs. Heavy burden to carry for a woman. Especially for Kumud, because she has her family honour to uphold.

Kumud wants to mould it, rebuild it. Great. I said she needs to act. And she is doing that.

She will stand by the marriage for good. Great. Because, when marrying Pramad she made a promise to stay by him.

But stay by him on what counts? Stay by him through infidelity? Well, again she said she will work towards changing him. Lets see. the premise of family honour that she wants to uphold is very weak. Well, if someone comes and tells VC that he married her to a wastrel, will it be honour for him? the situation is definitely complex but staying by husband through infidelity is kind of insulting the marriage in my POV.

Saras broke her heart but Pramad didnt. So he deserves a chance? That POV not at all logical. Saras made promises and didnt keep them. Pramad didnt make any. So she is not upset with him?

What is marriage? What did Pramad do when marrying her. He made promises to her with fire and elders as witness. What is the meaning of those mantras? He was saying I will stay by you in sorrow and happiness. I am marrying you for my own life and for progeny. The list goes on. Marriage is a promise.

Love need not be a promise. If Kumud thinks Pramad did not make any promise, then she doesnt know the meaning of marriage fully. She only knows she has to keep the marriage because for her it is a promise. For Pramad it is not. Infact he told her he does not want it. Where does that put her? Like someone said, is she not forcing Pramad to stay in this relationship?

Kumud showed guts to fight. And I am happy for that. I think Saras admired her resolute mind and the fighter in her. Like you said she is still wrong.

@ Santhi... Beautifully analysed ...Totally agree ...have nothing more to add . 👏

Edited by twila - 12 years ago

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Arshics

@Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: khanrocks
Kumudis back

True Khan our sherni is back

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happychappy

@happychappy

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Posted: 12 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: arshicritic
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Yes, the self sacrificing, the world rests on my shoulders, is also TRP heroine stuff
But today I am a TRP aunty, I laud her courage

😆 trying to picture that...almost as improbable as Toni trying to be bheegi billi... 😉

Originally posted by: hotdogg
...- and she's not being a martyr...a martyr would be someone who would sit and cry when saras left her or who would sit and cry when pramad abuses her...sort of a self sacrificing machoist...here she's just a pragmatic 'today's' woman...and to borrow a cliche...who knows what she can change, what she cannot change and has the wisdom to know the difference...

A martyr is not about passive suffering or crying, it is about making great sacrifices (such as a life) for a cause (here, family)... She made this sacrifice the day she got married to an unknown quantity. There was a gamble there, P could have turned out normal and nice, he turned out opposite.

She claims in todays conversation that She did "khilvad" with her life by trying to get Saras (a mere Weak Object?) in Her life, instead of going with Destiny's Choice aka Pramad. Whereas to me it looked like she did the "khilvad" when she (out of Her Choice?) gambled with her life by choosing to marry DC and fulfil Her Farz, because of temporary insanity caused by the Weak Object destroying Her Atma-samman and trampling on Love.

Internal inconsistency - Why did she ever love WO? Why does WO still matter? Ah, WO is good for role of worshipper at the altar of the Goddess...

Anyway, Taking oneself too seriously is a cardinal crime ...😒, especially when one is not Kumud Sundari...😃 So onward we forge, after one more delete and erase.

BTW, @Hgg, what happened in Amar Prem?, thanks, Arshi, saw that...

Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago

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pasumarthisa

@pasumarthisa

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: happychappy

😆 trying to picture that...almost as improbable as Toni trying to be bheegi billi... 😉

A martyr is not about passive suffering or crying, it is about making great sacrifices (such as a life) for a cause (here, family)... She made this sacrifice the day she got married to an unknown quantity. There was a gamble there, P could have turned out normal and nice, he turned out opposite.

She claims in todays conversation that She did "khilvad" with her life by trying to get Saras (a mere Weak Object?) in Her life, instead of going with Destiny's Choice aka Pramad. Whereas to me it looked like she did the "khilvad" when she (out of Her Choice?) gambled with her life by choosing to marry DC and fulfil Her Farz, because of temporary insanity caused by the Weak Object destroying Her Atma-samman and trampling on Love.

Internal inconsistency - Why did she ever love WO? Why does WO still matter? Ah, WO is good for role of worshipper at the altar of the Goddess...

Anyway, Taking oneself too seriously is a cardinal crime ...😒, especially when one is not Kumud Sundari...😃 So onward we forge, after one more delete and erase.

I agree. She saying she did Khilvad by inviting him to Ratnanagari kind of shows she didn't move on vis a vis Saras. The difference today in her is she is not only throwing those barbs at Saras but will also throw on Pramad(for the right reasons).

She loved him. In retrospect she thinks she did a khilvad by making the first move? After knowing all that she had to know.

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Arshics

@Arshics

Inactive

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Posted: 12 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: twila
Hey Friends...

Firstly , i know i am really late , but still ... EID MUBAARAK !! to all . 😊

Now coming to the epi ...

@ Arshii ... Great Song selection ... Beautiful words. 👏

and the summing up also , as wonderful as ever . 😊

The episode was indeed quite good in terms of the drama impact ... powerful ...

and the best thing that it was fully SAMUDlicious ... these two are such fine actors that it is always a treat ... BUT ... i am not happy...

Infact, fully agree with Happy Chappy and Nandy ,that i am disappointed ...

Kumud getting on her high horse ... Me ...My decisions ... Me Strong ... you Weak ...passing all those snide remarks about Saras not taking responsibility ...while she is the Righteous one ... in this avatar...trying to become all " Mahaan " for the sake of family and siblings ... being soo SelfRighteous ... frankly gets irritating.

Where is the Greatness and Glory in standing by PATENTLY Wrong decisions ...It is good to take the responsibility for ones decision...and we all appreciate her courage ...but please do not try to aquire the halo of greatness ,when your decision turn out to be wrong ...accept the mistake .

Ofcourse it is the requirement of the story that she can not leave Pramad, so we shall have to bear this atrocious logic of sacrificing her selfand her happiness for the greater good of all ... but i really hope thta the CVs do not go down the " Pramaad Sudharo " track... that man is evil and he should stay that way.

and really i can not stand her Insulting and passing Snide remarks about Saras any more ... earlier onecould bear it cause we realised that she was lashing out at him in anger... but now fter knowing the whole Truth...after coming to some kind of Peace ...deciddingto make a new beginning ...still she is being so mean to him...Hurting him ...Insulting him ... it is only a Gentleman like him and his selflesslove for her that he bears with it unflinchingly ...buti truly want the CVs to stop with these dialogues now .

The one dialogue i truly loved intoday's epi was by Saras ...when he decided to even fight with the Almighty for Kumud . 😊

@ Santhi... Beautifully analysed ...Totally agree ...have nothing more to add . 👏

Kumud on high horse - she was justifying her decision to Saras. One thing is clear, she is not ready to expose pramaad, not ready to end the rishta,

Because for her, paani abhi sar ke oopar nahi gaya hai

Two she was in panic, he is hell bent on exposing pramaad, he will also inflict injury on self, so she had to convince him to see her reason and stand by her

So it was in that context she wanted him to be on her side.

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LazyLad14

@LazyLad14

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#40

--for whom.. naveenji actually work...???-- bd , alak or kumud.. always dealing with prblms of kumud...let her be alone 2 have sum peace of mind.. let her figure out as what she is doing..but i guess no matter how much she give bhasan abt her decisions n choice ..both of them r concerned with each other only..

-- givng a chance n forgiving is 2 diffrnt things.. no matter how much kumud try 2 ... marriage wont work until n unless pramad also wiiling 2 do so..it cannot happen n matter of second.or hour...this drama will go on for long tym...he needs 2 come clear whether he is total evil n dnt wont kumud on anycase..or there is some other side of him which can raise possibility of change ...n make new start...sumwhere both of them dont deserve kumud.at all,,,pramad dnt even deserve also..until unless .yeh sudhare..but he'll never be a good husband that's it...

-- why alak ? why not kumud is given a oppurtinity...where is women empowerment n all..tbh i dnt like this happng n show..novel was done in 19th century...but this is 21stcentury..

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