Crisp Bytes SC - 19th July 13 - Page 9

Originally posted by: smrth

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Aaarshi!!...😲

You pretty well know your magic too! Don't you?...But 'remove' the tricky part me-Or let me not be in a delusion over an inclusion- so as to suggest the 'removal'...You must be mentioning our two resident geniuses. And then your magic is pure and truthful!👏

Originally posted by: smrth

You love poetry, ghazals right? My Hindi is so poor.😭

Originally posted by: smrth

Hgg and iViewer

First of all, Huge thanks for your brilliant explanations and patience. You two are just awesome.👏

I Viewer- as I told you earlier, 'my canvas' as you said, may be wider for obvious reason, but it also has the fault of 'half knowledge' for not having understood it entirely.

As I said, The Model brilliantly explains much of the actions in serial...but then, some important actions remain much baffling or even misleading in their reasons or logic. They are so because they are directly tracing their origin in a haphazard adaptation of the Source, where a track is joining the original but with out concurring elaboration available in the book- done rather with a jump skip. For instance, SC's simultaneous appearance in SN is one such. His immediate 'revert' is a complete reverse from the source. In book, his decision to renounce was final; again, reason there was ostensible 'relief' to Kumud. But he did not 'revert'. And then, he surfaces in Suvarna Puri after three months. Even then, he does not 'want' her back. The 'forfiet' stays final. Regret arises only over Kumud's plight. On the other hand, Kumud, 'learning' his benevolent motive, is not only immediately forgiving him, even considers herself 'guilty' for causing him a 'flight' from his home (for her good'!) But her moral dilemma is also on; 'continue loving ex fiance while married to other'...Notice, this last stage is incorporated in the script here...a track as per original, but without effecting operatives of the original. Result, an imbalance/ incongruency in analyzing Kumud's actions/drivers; 'she did not wait. So she too is 'guilty' of 'egotist steps'. 😕(alpha nature?) similarly 'Saras 'revert' so some sort of exculpation on 'renege'. (beta?)...now again, his instruction to Kumud (a letter) to marry elsewhere was final and conscious in the book- unlike a temporary impulsive 'blunder' as painted here. But then his other 'follow up' here is following the book! Now Author's logic behind SC's action- conscious renunciation is underpinned on pure spiritual concept of 'detachment'. He cites a philosophy, where his ultimate goals standing on 'liberation' from any worldly attachment are his prime drivers...

The question is, how do we compartmentalize this Indian concept in 'alpha- beta' model?

Hgg, if we are predicting/analyzing them per se, then aren't we analyzing/reacting to a very complex author's 'living' world view as transcending the century through characters of this story? Would it then be confined to mechanical analogy of inanimate C.P.U. and electrons light-racing the layers?

The brilliant (and I bow) poem is much, much elucidating. I cant thank you enough. But at the fulcrum 'Still' point, I would place 'spiritual consciousness of the author' and all the ensuing Dance flowing from it- correctness or incorrectness of Author's world view is subject matter another debate (which, am deferring at this point).

Q-Was not Bhagwat Gita some sort of influence on Four Quartet!?😲

I am lacking Hgg's neat coherence or iV's awesome articulation. I wouldn't have nagged you so much over an Indian soap (!)😲- but extraordinary depth of you two is simply inducing me to go lay out the misconceptions more and more. Indulge the recalcitrance.😊

As well, apology for tardy response...out with friends and stealing peeps and now some time to write the respons...naturally afraid of errors plethora it must contain, please take the import'

P.S. Understanding model's application with better clarity..thanks! friends.

Originally posted by: hotdogg

smrth..

@Bold1 - Because it is not direct copy from the source and both kumud & saras characters have also been changed (from what you to describe of the novel, it seems both saras & kumud were beta) where kumud is an alpha and saras beta here...this model helps to a certain extent to explain their behaviour, since I guess SLB in his adaptation itself has changed the core characteristics...

Also while people think (incl. all of us) that people who contribute to CB are lunatics...some readers have started to post that we are now crossing the extremes of extending the discussion from an epi...
...So again that is food for thought for another discussion...😎

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

smrth,

First, you did caution. My neglect. Apologies 😳 Second, simple digression, to offer a more "practical" perspective (Again, only submit, greater chances that I may err... Requesting full indulgence)

My approach to SC is two-pronged and this I credit you with. Recall one of our initial back-and-forth... Taking the liberty to quote you here:

This deep insight is simply great. Much stimulating and elucidatory, but this depth also incites a question. Would the project be able to match the heightened expectations that the raised bar is calling for, given its inherently contingent nature as well ad-hoc environment that seems to be prevaiingl in its script creation department? Not least, the commercial (TRP etc.) as well external factors that inexorably keep on affecting it through out? Though i admit, PH's track record, inherent strength of source Novel, and talented cast are worth believing in. And then script too has gathered its act commendably lately- so to say.

My current concern: Can the depth of debate/the inconsistencies in character actions/the lack of crucial narrative elaboration/the haphazard track joins be divorced from the contingent nature, ad-hoc environment of the enterprise? To view thus, from a singular optic, that of the medium:

"His immediate revert"... Could commercial burden be reason for forfeit not remaining final? To make story more palatable, more accessible thus for a generation who would not understand, neither condone, in their entertainment product, renuniciation, and other matters 'arcane'? Our generation's core essence, is impatient. We prefer our romance and heartbreak, immediate. Post-that, we expect reunion. In long order or short, regardless. A three hour movie defines our pain threshold. An enduring saga of esoterics may encourage many to renounce show itself

This "haphazardness" you mention, perhaps evidentiary powerplay between channel and SLB? Or maybe production house itself attempting to aim for desired balance? Often times, SC felt both as "playing to the gallery" and aspiring ambitiously to the source... Quite unwilling to forfeit claim on one or another, if I may... At this juncture, will admit, many a times, to me, S and K do not make sense... I do even have any, "half-knowledge" either for comparative purposes... That makes your concerns doubly legitimate. But again, is the story, character, creativity, immune from the fickle nature of the work? Are any of us ever immune from the ever-changing factors of the environments we operate within? I cannot claim so.

Enroute to a day of meetings, hence offered this purely as something outside of box to think about. "Recalcitrance" (intriguing term!)... Keeps mind gears kicking & active... Keeps from becoming complacent. Welcome it! 😳 Will return to debate, from prior perspective, soon as work is out =)