Crisp Bytes SC - 17th July 13 - Page 3

Created

Last reply

Replies

36

Views

3.8k

Users

16

Likes

191

Frequent Posters

hotdogg thumbnail
16th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer


Today, also clarified the missing element of the Buddhi Dhan - Alak connect: Modified version thus reads: Buddhi Dhan - Navinchandra - Alak, with Kumud now left to deal with the MIL - Pramad - Kalika nexus... With Alak looking to be a likely Saras ally in the future, rather than a Kumud confidante... Scene setting is also over, all the pawns are in place with allegiances to some extent defined...
I say this with a negative connotation because Gun sundari's daughter will now have to follow in her footsteps, regardless of whether she has that marital support system in place. More than Kumud's personal desires or efforts, it will be societal expectations that will drive her, that she will strive to fulfill, again inexorably linked to her family's and specifically, her mother's izzat and sanskaar... The "unfair" expectations are already there, Kumud will have to match strides and live up to the legacy of Gunn sundari... The ideal homemaker... Another resolute tie keeping her in place has just been revealed... Two "mothers" holding her back... Another "mother" silently giving her blessings (Saraswati)... Right now, K has every reason to make a go of her marriage and no reason to the contrary... Except her memories, and the dream that refuses to let go of her, because somewhere inside, she refuses to let go of the dream... But what happens when she is presented with the one most important reason to the contrary? That is the day when Kumud will have to reach deep down inside just to find that her own heart is still beating.


K: Main wapas jaane ke liye nahin aayi hoon

BD: Tum yahan se jaane ke liye nahi aaye ho

S: Main yahan wapas jaane ke liye nahin aaya hoon

Buddhi Dhan... Liking him more after today's episode. The actor has a commanding screen presence and a fantastically calming dialogue delivery... Above sentiment, reiterated, represents resolve to move forth and begin things afresh, yes, a desire to give the current circumstances their best shot, definitely, a willingness to provide a troubled soul some stability, affirmative... But also... Re: Saras and Kumud... It is but a promise to each other, to themselves and to us, made on a sub-conscious level... Remember the crossroads they're at, well, they're also closing distances, destined for a full-frontal collision... Alpha against Alpha or Beta against Alpha or Alpha against Beta or Beta against Beta, remains to be seen... The powerplays of destiny, indeed...

Iviewer...always a pleasure to read your posts.
@Red:
If Alak falls for Navin/Saras then:
- will she think tactical and join the MIL- Pramad-Kalika axis against Kumud? or
- will she think strategic and become Kumud's ally, in order to sort out Kumud's relationship with Pramad, therefore leaving Saras to herself?
- In either case, her hubby will have to take a stand entirely opposite to hers, since it is in his interest to get Saras & Kumud together and get his position cemented in the family. But will he think tactical or strategic?
This dynamic is going to be really interesting to watch.
@Blue...great point...one more of the 'ties that bind' for kumud..
@Bold...wonderful summary of what saras & kumud are attempting...
Edited by hotdogg - 12 years ago
smrth thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#22
The flash- back! A patent reminder- why i as an individual viewer is hanging on to this brilliant work but a 'wretched' story (personal anger- forbidden to share at this juncture) as yet, despite contemplating to move away fast; detained- transfixed.😕 Is it merely 'romance'?...don't think so. Something innocent, so pure, can't put finger on it, but it only stokes the ire- innocence murdered.😡
Was it a canned scene edited out at its time? If so, Cvs, please give us all canned as FBs infinitude; Holi, ILaben, riots, school picnic, 'Janmashtami', 'Diwali' whichever you ever managed to shoot. We won't complaint even flimsy contexts.😲 ( sorry my discerning CB friends.)😒
The other thing struck. Kumud's real 'hell' has started- immediately after the FB.
If they are aping pre-kite 'mukh Darshan'. Please refrain. Highly unrealistic then, it still has advantage of a unique charm to whole subterfuge then. Here its dubious- they know tiniest part of their physical or psychical presence by innermost 'ehsaas'. Make them see each other immediately. Besides, how an aide of the family stays unaware about even 'name' of the son of the family? He saw the banner- ' Kumud weds Pramad'!🤢

Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
smrth thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

I really expected Dukh Baa (thank you smrth for the clarification and most intriguing context. Much appreciated!) to be the one hearing the faint alarm bells but it is Guniyal... Strange because VC and Dukh Baa have always made claims to knowing Kumud best... But at the same, they are not privy to her biggest secret, only Guniyal is... The VC, Guniyal convo underscoring Guniyal's prowess as an ideal homemaker, was also echoed by the pados ke ladies... This recalled an interesting past CB discussion between smrth and veera (if I'm not mistaken) as to the nature of VC and Guniyal's marriage in the source... And how that matches up to K's personal aspirations for her own wedded life... How on the mark they were! 👏 Today it is evident that Guniyal's renown as Mother, Wife, DIL, precedes her... I say this with a negative connotation because Gun sundari's daughter will now have to follow in her footsteps, regardless of whether she has that marital support system in place. More than Kumud's personal desires or efforts, it will be societal expectations that will drive her, that she will strive to fulfill, again inexorably linked to her family's and specifically, her mother's izzat and sanskaar... The "unfair" expectations are already there, Kumud will have to match strides and live up to the legacy of Gunn sundari... The ideal homemaker...

IViewer,
Gun Sundari is one of the strongest character conception by author- in some aspects surpassing even Kumud. Of the four parts, second part is dedicated to her- 'Gun Sundari'. According M.K.Gandhi, author achieved peak of story telling in this second part...
Though primarily home maker. Author has showed her achieving an all round growth side by side her Husband. Some times She showed him a good way to manage some tricky crisis involving introduction of taxes,(state vs subjects) etc. In later years she even nurtured/managed a village in the kingdom (under executive authority of her prime minister husband) to an ideal example. Of course, all these irrelevant here, but I feel, Cvs have subdivided two important characters in two separate casts each in adaptation. Dukh baa and Dhan Nand (Gumaan's son) were hardly a mention in the book. Chandrakant/ Sunny is much more powerful in the book. Only one who cancels SC's impractical logics on his face. Cvs have devised elements of 'Guniyal' into Gun Sundari and Dukh baa, and 'Chandrakant' into Sunny and Danny. Notice, when they are pitching Gunsundari as mother, it turns out much more powerful and natural...
P.s. about 'renown' Guniyal, even Kumud- Saras were aware of her...( I had noted this in my earlier post on their first encounter😆)...remember, Saras reminding VC ( at time of his anger) of her untiring contribution to family? Cvs were referring to these.

twila thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 12 years ago
#24
@ Smrth ... I Second you completely ... if the CVs have more of Canned and EDITED OUT / unutilised SAMUD scenes , this is the time to bring them all out ... Please use them now as we are thirsting for them as if in a parched desert... that is what got us hooked and we can never get enough of them. 😊

@ Arshi ... Lovely lines ..." Aanewala Kal " depending on " Beetaa hua Kal " ... and " Upaasna vis a vis Vaasnaa... " yesterday ... Beautiful ... What a way you have with words... great Summing up ( as always ).

@ Hgg ... Always love reading your amazingly Insightful posts ... filled with new deeeper meanings ... Intelligence ... Brriilliant theories to give us all a deeper psychological perspective of the characters ... Thanks a lot .


@ IViewer ... How Beautifully you write ...siigghhh...

you bring such emotion ...such feel ...such colour... to writing ... it is such a pleasure to read...and such beautiful analysis of the scenes... add such meaningful depth into the characterstudy ... each episode becomes a Beautiful piece of Creative work after reading your post .

Girl , you have got some talent for writing ( hope i am right in guessing... surely you are a girl ) ... are you a writer ... if not already , then you should seriously pursue it ... Keep on givng us these lovely daily doses of your lyrical prose .


As everyone has already said ... these wonderful writings here from all of you make even the mundane episodes look beautiful ... make the viewing experience so much richer. 😊


I liked yesterday's episode ... it seemed to have more meat ... more substance ... it is as f they were finding their feet in the newer setting of the Buddhidhan Household in the first two epis of the week ... and by yesterday they had finally found some ground under their feet ... there was more Solidity ...

and this was mainly because of the focus on Saras ... the outlines of his relationship with Buddhidhan were clearly laid out ... i got the feeling that their relationship shall develop into something beautiful like a Father -Son relationship ... Saras shall filll the gap of a son for Buddhidhan in a manner that completely useless and decadent Pramad has never been able to do... and for Saras too ... Buddhidhan shall be that elderly guiding and Caring presence in his life ...which he desperately needs now that he is completely alone in the world ... now that he has decided to break from his past ... uproot himself completely from his earlier life ... and take up a completely new identity .

( Smrth will have to tell me whether my guess is correct or not ... and whether it was something like that in the book too ) 😊

as for Saras...his determination to start afresh ... to start anew ...not to let go of the opportunity being offerred by Buddhidhan... was in marked contrast to the earlier week's Saras who was descending into that bottomless pit of Self Pity and defeatism ...

Loved this new determined Saras ...Hgg's Alpha Male theory at work

( the new name ...Navin Chandra... as we shall have to call him now ... but will we ever be able to do that ... for us he is and always shall be Saras only )


Let us see what the CVs have decided to show us today via that " Kul Devi " Puja ... will the two lovers meet ... with the blessings of the Divine presence ??



Edited by twila - 12 years ago
-Ivy- thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#25
@happychappy Loved your response 😳 If I may... quintessential is essentially not typical... A blazing his own path kinda guy. You cannot put him easily into boxes. Fits for Saras and Gautam both, I think. And yes, Hgg's post has made me explore the possibilities of a Saras - Alak track. Was kind of ignoring the elephant in the room till now 🤔 ... "The Three Mothers Theory"... You are really good with catchy phrases like that... An unnamed building block just got handed a perfect name. Thank you 🤗Not holding my breath for the FB's... I'd rather be pleasantly surprised, just like today, where they were an entirely unexpected dose of oxytocin, but to get them daily, esp that particular night FB... I wish (no harm in that, right?) ☺️

@twila Friend you are so, so encouraging. Thank you 🤗 Yes, I am a girl. And no, not a writer. Dunno about becoming one, I do write a lot actually tho... My field is law and media. I write about really boring things (to most people), but they keep me fascinated 😳 I agree on your summing up of Saras and BD relationship. The equation has the potential to be really beautiful and a stabilising factor in Saras' life... Although will Alak's attraction to Saras ruin that? Will the eventual truth of Saras and Kumud? Let's not think of that yet, I scold myself, the journey has just started and it promises to be beautiful. And good for Saras' hurt regarding LN. His heart tho, is another story.

Regarding today, v curious as to what signs will be bestowed through the divine occasion. Saras - Kumud are blessed. That has been re-validated time and again. Hoping for another one tonight. At this point, the more re-validations the better. To prevent us slipping into the quagmire of darkness.
-Ivy- thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Iviewer...always a pleasure to read your posts.
@Red:
If Alak falls for Navin/Saras then:
- will she think tactical and join the MIL- Pramad-Kalika axis against Kumud? or
- will she think strategic and become Kumud's ally, in order to sort out Kumud's relationship with Pramad, therefore leaving Saras to herself?
- In either case, her hubby will have to take a stand entirely opposite to hers, since it is in his interest to get Saras & Kumud together and get his position cemented in the family. But will he think tactical or strategic?
This dynamic is going to be really interesting to watch.
@Blue...great point...one more of the 'ties that bind' for kumud..
@Bold...wonderful summary of what saras & kumud are attempting...


Hgg... You are always so bang on with your observations... Love the way your mind processes and lays out scenarios 👏

What I was only concentrating on was the "if" hoping that'd be a big one, in caps-lock nonetheless, but you laid out the contingencies so concisely... And its too irresistible to not think on those lines now... It's really a labyrinth, isn't it... So many characters, so many different motivations to take on board, so many ways this can go to reach the obvious conclusion. Makes one appreciate the CV's more... Their task is daunting, to say the least 😕 The chief concern here is that Alak is the character who is concealing the most right now, her disdain for her hubby aside, she is a cool cucumber who plays her cards v close to her chest. I'm still reserving judgement on this one... Right now she is operating on logic, all aloof, for the most part... IF she falls in love she will operate on pure emotion and thus be vulnerable. Tactical or strategic indeed... Off-hand, what's your bet? 😳

Edit: I am of course assuming here that she will be more vulnerable, in love. But Alak may turn out to surprise everyone, who knows... Regarding her hubby, you stated it best... They're on a see-saw... He will always move contrary to her, and his actions dictated by her plays..
Edited by IdiotViewer - 12 years ago
-Ivy- thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: smrth

IViewer,
Gun Sundari is one of the strongest character conception by author- in some aspects surpassing even Kumud. Of the four parts, second part is dedicated to her- 'Gun Sundari'. According M.K.Gandhi, author achieved peak of story telling in this second part...
Though primarily home maker. Author has showed her achieving an all round growth side by side her Husband. Some times She showed him a good way to manage some tricky crisis involving introduction of taxes,(state vs subjects) etc. In later years she even nurtured/managed a village in the kingdom (under executive authority of her prime minister husband) to an ideal example. Of course, all these irrelevant here, but I feel, Cvs have subdivided two important characters in two separate casts each in adaptation. Dukh baa and Dhan Nand (Gumaan's son) were hardly a mention in the book. Chandrakant/ Sunny is much more powerful in the book. Only one who cancels SC's impractical logics on his face. Cvs have devised elements of 'Guniyal' into Gun Sundari and Dukh baa, and 'Chandrakant' into Sunny and Danny. Notice, when they are pitching Gunsundari as mother, it turns out much more powerful and natural...
P.s. about 'renown' Guniyal, even Kumud- Saras were aware of her...( I had noted this in my earlier post on their first encounter😆)...remember, Saras reminding VC ( at time of his anger) of her untiring contribution to family? Cvs were referring to these.


smrth... You are a veritable treasure trove of info... Sharing priceless gems each post! And making our intellect more richer in the bargain =)

I have to confess, I gave more importance to Dukh baa till now... But post today, I'm looking at Guniyal in a new light... Because evidence is no marker of strength... True resilience is innate, poised to act if need be... The subdivision you propose, is thus highly intriguing... A question: Is Dukh baa in the source at all, or purely an SLB construct? This has got me more anxious to see Sunny and Danny back on screen... The possibilities of them working as a tag-team on Saras... The full might of Chandrakant's power unleashed...! Dukh baa taking a step back and Guniyal moving forth also makes sense now... They are but one (Mother) and their character traits will be employed in the service of story impact and tension...
hotdogg thumbnail
16th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer


Hgg... You are always so bang on with your observations... Love the way your mind processes and lays out scenarios 👏

What I was only concentrating on was the "if" hoping that'd be a big one, in caps-lock nonetheless, but you laid out the contingencies so concisely... And its too irresistible to not think on those lines now... It's really a labyrinth, isn't it... So many characters, so many different motivations to take on board, so many ways this can go to reach the obvious conclusion. Makes one appreciate the CV's more... Their task is daunting, to say the least 😕 The chief concern here is that Alak is the character who is concealing the most right now, her disdain for her hubby aside, she is a cool cucumber who plays her cards v close to her chest. I'm still reserving judgement on this one... Right now she is operating on logic, all aloof, for the most part... IF she falls in love she will operate on pure emotion and thus be vulnerable. Tactical or strategic indeed... Off-hand, what's your bet? 😳

Edit: I am of course assuming here that she will be more vulnerable, in love. But Alak may turn out to surprise everyone, who knows... Regarding her hubby, you stated it best... They're on a see-saw... He will always move contrary to her, and his actions dictated by her plays..

Iviewer..
That's what making this show so addictive...the feeling of dancing on a cliff edge with eyes blindfolded at mid-night!..😊
The CVs here tried their best to play to the TRP gallery... which did not work / show under scanner etc. etc. ...and all the rumors / truths / half-truths out there...
Bottomline... once they veered back to original story after exorcising the TRP demons, they have become fearless...and therefore more unpredictable..
Add to this the creative guidance of SLB and we have a cracker of a show on our hands!...don't know which way the wind will blow...I am now more scared of how it will end...like the novel or as nayi soch!...but don't want to get off...
😎
Edited by hotdogg - 12 years ago
Arshics thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 12 years ago
#29
@iviewer,

Hi, glad to Note that You are a girl, our two super guys with their impressive knowledge and ability to analyze and bring out the hidden nuances were outweighing us, inspite of our numerical strength, now we are equal 😆

@hgg, Saras as alpha male and even Kumud as the alpha female - yesterday her reaction to pramaad and Kalika pointing to that - how will that impact their relationship

When he left for Dubai, she was the beta and he the alpha, wasn't it?

Now what will be the status of their relationship with each other?

Arshics thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 12 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: arshicritic

@iviewer,


Hi, glad to Note that You are a girl, our two super guys with their impressive knowledge and ability to analyze and bring out the hidden nuances were outweighing us, inspite of our numerical strength, now we are equal 😆

@hgg, Saras as alpha male and even Kumud as the alpha female - yesterday her reaction to pramaad and Kalika pointing to that - how will that impact their relationship

When he left for Dubai, she was the beta and he the alpha, wasn't it?

Now what will be the status of their relationship with each other?

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".