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Posted: 12 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR




Though I said Kumud shouldn't have apologised and I still stand firm on it, I never meant that its out of character.. I know you replied to Reema, but just want to clear out the point I raised in the topic.. Perhaps she did it just to break the ice and get back to being normal with him..He is not even talking to her.. How is she supposed to help him? So if the purpose of the apology was that its completely within the realms of the character.. Kumud is not only head strong, she is street smart and has a great presence of mind too.. Saras is the ''innocent'' guy.. Kumud tricked him to remove the ''chaar kadam ki doori'' I wont be surprised if the apology was also part of the plan ...


Good point, Vaishali, I can buy that, makes sense
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Posted: 12 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR

I wish...well the wishlist is endless but today in the terrace scene I really wished the conversation to go beyond the apology and his acceptance..Kumud apologised for forcing him to keep 4 steps distance from her but she didnt tell him why she laid that condition in the first place..Saras never came to know that the day he went to get the first aid box for her, his ''mom'' had insulted Kumud and told her to stay away from her son.. I wish Kumud told him that..I for some reason am not able to understand Saras' stand at the moment..There is a disconnect somewhere. If I recall correctly, he was almost flirting with her over the cup of tea and they shared moments during the garba dance as well.. When they went to Gandhinagar, there too Saras was quite open about his feelings for Kumud when he was helping her choose bangles and then all that happened in the godown where he specifically asked '' chaar kadam ki doori kyun? '' he even teased her about the painting.. That was followed by the intimate moments in the stormy night, where I felt if Kumud hadnt run away, Saras would have crossed the line..


Now suddenly after Guman created tamasha, insulted Kumud, I would expect Kumud to be the one angry or sad or upset but instead I see her running behind Saras trying to apologise.. There was no need for Kumud to apologise today and Saras had no business forgiving her..If anyone, its Kumud whose honor was at stake, who has been rejected and who also is feeling as much heartbroken as Saras is at the moment..

Before anyone starts with the arguement that Saras has a sad past...he is scared of relationships etc etc, let me just say that I KNOW all that.. I understand his conflicts, confusion and fear..I even understand his reasons to stay away from Kumud.. What I dont understand or rather not appreciate is the way he is treating her..If his concern is protecting her from hurt then thats exactly what he is giving her.. Kumud is not hoping for a relationship with him now.. She clearly stated that she wants to help him as a friend not life partner..So if she is not forcing any relationship on him like he said in his letter, then what is this ''jazbaat ki doori''?? How is she or he or anyone supposed to control his emotions? I would really like to see Saras do that now..!



@bold, there is no disconnect, he was actually falling in love more and more with her and after the rain night where he almost crossed line he came back to apologise kumud for all the drama that was created in the house when they came late...and at that time, he said kuch toh hai hamaare beech...kuch aisa ristha that we both care for each other...and left the place and cried at the lake...
there he asked his mom to give him strength to withdraw whatver mistakenly he told to kumud...

So all this rejection to kumud was just to hurt her and make her feel hatredness towards him...so that she doesnt fall for him and that way he too can stay away from her and not fall for her...

i dont undertsand why you guys dont understand Saras (the hero's) point of view just becoz he is against getting close to the heroine...otherwise there is no story in it...if he is also accepting the love, then fine everything will be okay, shaadi hojayaga and no further story...

so try and understand the depth of Saras' character...

Waiting for your take on this reply...
Edited by abhina_roks - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: abhina_roks



@bold, there is no disconnect, he was actually falling in love more and more with her and after the rain night where he almost crossed line he came back to apologise kumud for all the drama that was created in the house when they came late...and at that time, he said kuch toh hai hamaare beech...kuch aisa ristha that we both care for each other...and left the place and cried at the lake...
there he asked his mom to give him strength to withdraw whatver mistakenly he told to kumud...

So all this rejection to kumud was just to hurt her and make her feel hatredness towards him...so that she doesnt fall for him and that way he too can stay away from her and not fall for her...

i dont undertsand why you guys dont understand Saras (the hero's) point of view just becoz he is against getting close to the heroine...otherwise there is no story in it...if he is also accepting the love, then fine everything will be okay, shaadi hojayaga and no further story...

so try and understand the depth of Saras' character...

Waiting for your take on this reply...


@ abhina - I do understand his character contrary to what might have appeared in this post. If you read my comments in this forum you will know what I mean.. My post was a reaction to the apology Kumud made to Saras which I think was not needed since she was a victim of Guman's evil plan..(taunting her about trying to get close to Saras) . However knowing Kumud and her one point agenda right now, I think the apology was just a way to close the chapter of ''chaar kadam ki doori'' and move on from there.. She is on a mission entrusted upon her by badima and she is determined to achieve it at any cost -for her badima's happiness and for Saras' sake..Apology is just part of that big mission..thats what I think.
Edited by vaishali-AR - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I haven't had the chance to watch the episode so can't comment on the scene. I might have completely different views after watching it...

As of now, I see a man who has kind of fallen back in to his shell even more because there is a fear of his secret craving for love becoming transparent to someone else. Not only that but there maybe someone who is trying to give him that unconditional love. I don't think anyone is thinking 'wow he is so sacrificial'. He's being human and even though Kumud might have apologised, from the looks of it Saras came out as the mean one. Maybe he's meant to look like an ass right now? Maybe it's to show how much Kumud changes him? She becomes everything for him, his reason for existing. So much so that he dedicates his entire life supporting her. She obviously brings a HUGE turnaround in his life and maybe that's why currently he is shown to be a bit too selfish with his own feelings. To me it's meant to be that way. He wants to be selfish about sharing his emotions because he doesn't want to get hurt again but Kumud, I'm sure will bring a new soul in him which will enlighten his entire life.



They have embedded a beautiful moment on roof top of the moving bus on just how concerned and attuned he is to her safety, her well-being; Just as the bus passed under a stray branch, and all ducked, the first glance Saras immediately seized, was towards where she was seating. And a panicky check, 'Is she all right?' And visible relief in his eyes, before turning away. Hardly two frames, but speak a volume on his true state.
He is irrevocably bound to 'her existence', her essence.
Reemz, purpose for citing this incidence is to admit that we are aware about his inner devotion. And His simultaneous apprehensions that he may not be even emotionally compatible to her lasting happiness, over and above that 'superstition' excuse. Kind of a bind, a result of many factors like trauma, self recovery, impregnable self defence etc. A state which you might have been describing with 'shell'. The question is, how such a 'shell' may continue to be condoned,(from a viewer's sympathy to such a vulnerable character), when it starts harming very essence towards which its devotion has been established. I mean, In its stubborn persistence-in its stubborn denials to recognise the destructive threats to that very 'welfare' of its veneration focus? That she herself may be toppled into an irrecoverable doom because of this misguided, harmful 'shell'.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Reemz, sorry I am perhaps not able to articulate correctly what I want to ask. I had put a similar query in cherry's thread ,"Quite a let down 22/4" before it went to back pages. Let me produce it here to help add to the point I am trying to understand. From a viewer's POV;
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Originally posted by *Reemz*

That's true they didn't seem to focus on the physical closeness which occurred before the verbal acceptance but then again they got past the 'touching of the waist' too but at that time Saras just said sorry. However, this time he admitted there is something more to their relationship which kind of shook both of them. After this tug of war, one finally clearly said that they could have something more.

I wouldn't call Saras' act a sacrifice, I'd more so call it his own insecurities and vulnerability which pulls him away. He doesn't know how to handle unconditional love...

That is the problem Reemz . As a viewer that's the problem for me. Not for the sake of arguments or contest, but for a better insight, how do you manage to condone practical fall outs? Let me outline the 'problem'.
For a start, I am not disputing his genuineness or sincerity. He does not mean harm to an ant. There is no want of physical or mental valour if it comes to help others. He is largely free of conceit.Intelligent, perceptive and keenly sensitive. In short a true gentleman in every sense.
Now regarding Kumud; a) He is already worshipping her ( admitted or not). He can not see a thorn or spark scratch her. Needs be, he would jump in to fire or deep waters if it secures her well-being. BUT b) he is indeed emotionally impaired. Vulnerable too. Insecure and unable to handle a true love. And because of b) he is messing on part a). To 'save' her from 'himself'!
But as viewer how would we not notice that how hopelessly he is pushing her over the precipice? How, in his very act to save her, he is sending her to a social, personal and emotional disaster? How inexorably she is being sent to a ruin and set back from where she would never recover through out? This part is not letting me condone his vulnerability. Would you analyse why or how it should? For once keeping aside tremendous act or presence of the actor, just from character's position point of view?..."



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Posted: 12 years ago
#36
Welll said
Sooo agree with you
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Posted: 12 years ago
#37
This thread's discussion just made me fall in love with SC a little more. By far the most interesting thread I've come across in a long time.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: arshicritic

That jazbaat ki doori line - he rejected her, then he made the overtures, then he backed off, now it's as if she is after him!

Not going down too well with me!


Spot on, there!
The man is inconsistent, perhaps because of his insecurities(!!)
Talk about blow hot, blow cold :-)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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such an interesting thread to read!! I wish these kind to discussions happen more often in this forum.. loved reading it :)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vaishali-AR


Saras is the ''innocent'' guy.. Kumud tricked him to remove the ''chaar kadam ki doori'' I wont be surprised if the apology was also part of the plan ...


oh, and did you notice how even in the terrace scene, once he started looking into her eyes he couldnt stop, she literally had to say bas, bas that's enough! He may be innocent but he is also IN LOVE, poor guy!
Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago

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