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Posted: 12 years ago
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I don't think we have the right to "justify" or "not justify" someone's act of suicide. When you are not in that person's place, it's very easy to say that there are better options than suicide. As humans, like all other animals, we are genetically programmed for maximum survival, i.e. our survival instincts. So just imagine, someone who decides to end their own life, the pain and suffering they must go through at the moment to think that dying is better than living, it must be unbearable. And it is a feeling that no one else except that person can understand.

I'm finishing up a degree in occupational therapy, and I specialize in mental health. I've had to walk people from my clinical to the emergency room to get them admitted into the psychiatric ward, sometimes had to call the cops if they refused to come with me, because I knew if i let them leave they may try to kill themselves. And believe me, these people are not cowards. Yes, a lot of them are emotionally and mentally weaker. They have less control over their emotions and mental stability.

But they're not selfish. They do care for and love the people around them. They really do. I remember one of my patients telling me after her suicide attempt that she wants to live for her parents, but when the pain comes, when the feeling of hopelessness dawns upon her, and she is alone and thinking that she will never be able to feel happy, she can't think of her parents, She's unable to think of anything but ending the pain.

I really hope there is more of a story to Saras's mother's suicide than just a cheating husband. This is the second show I am seeing where a mother commits suicide due to her husband's affair, and leaves behind kids. In reality, from all the patients I have seen in my career so far, reasons for suicide are much more complicated than just a cheating husband. I've seen people for major depression as a result of a cheating spouse, but those who end up suicidal have more complicated cases, like no other family support at all, no kids, no financial independence than the cheating husband, abuse, etc. I really wish they would stop showing suicide as such a simple issue on TV. The majority of people don't just one day decide to end their life and that's it. Usually, it's a process, where they suffer, are in emotional pain, there's a dilemma within them. All these things are ignored. I wish they'd handle and maybe even do some research into suicide before attempting to show such a sensitive topic on TV, especially when there is already so much stigma attached to the topic in our society.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: tamanna_20

I don't think we have the right to "justify" or "not justify" someone's act of suicide. When you are not in that person's place, it's very easy to say that there are better options than suicide. As humans, like all other animals, we are genetically programmed for maximum survival, i.e. our survival instincts. So just imagine, someone who decides to end their own life, the pain and suffering they must go through at the moment to think that dying is better than living, it must be unbearable. And it is a feeling that no one else except that person can understand.


I'm finishing up a degree in occupational therapy, and I specialize in mental health. I've had to walk people from my clinical to the emergency room to get them admitted into the psychiatric ward, sometimes had to call the cops if they refused to come with me, because I knew if i let them leave they may try to kill themselves. And believe me, these people are not cowards. Yes, a lot of them are emotionally and mentally weaker. They have less control over their emotions and mental stability.

But they're not selfish. They do care for and love the people around them. They really do. I remember one of my patients telling me after her suicide attempt that she wants to live for her parents, but when the pain comes, when the feeling of hopelessness dawns upon her, and she is alone and thinking that she will never be able to feel happy, she can't think of her parents, She's unable to think of anything but ending the pain.

I really hope there is more of a story to Saras's mother's suicide than just a cheating husband. This is the second show I am seeing where a mother commits suicide due to her husband's affair, and leaves behind kids. In reality, from all the patients I have seen in my career so far, reasons for suicide are much more complicated than just a cheating husband. I've seen people for major depression as a result of a cheating spouse, but those who end up suicidal have more complicated cases, like no other family support at all, no kids, no financial independence than the cheating husband, abuse, etc. I really wish they would stop showing suicide as such a simple issue on TV. The majority of people don't just one day decide to end their life and that's it. Usually, it's a process, where they suffer, are in emotional pain, there's a dilemma within them. All these things are ignored. I wish they'd handle and maybe even do some research into suicide before attempting to show such a sensitive topic on TV, especially when there is already so much stigma attached to the topic in our society.


Thank you, loved reading this.

This is what I have been trying to say albeit unsuccessfully
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Posted: 12 years ago
#33
According to me nothing justifies suicide. I know it's done by some people in a weak moment but that's the reason you need to have that one something in life that gives you the strength of never to even attempt such a thing. There's always another option than ending ones life, although in such a moment your emotions overcome your sense of thinking. And that's the reason you need that strength...
It could be your own inner strength, strength from a loved one, strength from Almighty ( who believe in Him should never even attempt such a thing )
I hope God gives that one reason to everyone.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The people who think ending their life is the only solution are just like you and I. These are not people who dropped to the earth from alien land.

When you are mentally and emotionally stable, it is easy to sit back and judge.

But imagine being in that state. Who are we to say what is right or not.

How many of us are even able to slap ourselves forcefully? Imagine being in a state when the pain of dying, the fear of losing loved ones, the physical hurt - everything becomes unimportant.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: meera30

The people who think ending their life is the only solution are just like you and I. These are not people who dropped to the earth from alien land.


When you are mentally and emotionally stable, it is easy to sit back and judge.

But imagine being in that state. Who are we to say what is right or not.

How many of us are even able to slap ourselves forcefully? Imagine being in a state when the pain of dying, the fear of losing loved ones, the physical hurt - everything becomes unimportant.


The problem is Meera that many of us cannot relate to that...and ideally think we will rise above it the "it" being something we do not begin to understand...
but you rightly put it...we alienate the subject so much and limit it to a distant somebody...they who are weak...they who are not stable...they who do nont have God...they a diff species all together...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#36
Suicide cannot b justified. Its a crime. No religion allows it.
Itws a very poor rzn 4 Saras's mother 2 suicide.

B.T.W u changed ur name 2 Jammy?😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tnusredey

Suicide cannot b justified. Its a crime. No religion allows it.
Itws a very poor rzn 4 Saras's mother 2 suicide.

B.T.W u changed ur name 2 Jammy?😆


what if one does not adhere to religion...?

and many states have removed the "illegal" from suicide!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: CravingKhana


what if one does not adhere to religion...?

and many states have removed the "illegal" from suicide!

Dnt know abt ontr countries bt in our cntry Suicide is a crime. And as I said suicide is never justified. If Saras's mother didnt commit suicide she surely cud have gone through this period. Bt what she did was very impulsive. And by committing suicide she proved she loved herself 2 much 2 care abt her only son.
Its un4tunate dat India is a cntry whre suicide is on a rise evry year.🤢
Suicide is not da way 2 fight wth life, ppl shud face what life brings forward 2 dem. Coz highs & lows r dere in evrybdy's life.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tnusredey

Dnt know abt ontr countries bt in our cntry Suicide is a crime. And as I said suicide is never justified. If Saras's mother didnt commit suicide she surely cud have gone through this period. Bt what she did was very impulsive. And by committing suicide she proved she loved herself 2 much 2 care abt her only son.
Its un4tunate dat India is a cntry whre suicide is on a rise evry year.🤢
Suicide is not da way 2 fight wth life, ppl shud face what life brings forward 2 dem. Coz highs & lows r dere in evrybdy's life.


presumably if the person succeeds then suicide does not need to be justified...and it begs the question to whom...
where it is a crime I wonder how they propose to punish it
its unfortunate..where ever the numbers for unfortunate incidences rise...

in terms of Saras's mom ...to give the makers some due...they have not yet painted her situation...but i am not holding on to any promise too often this subject has been poorly dealt with...for commercial gains...
its presumption right now that it was impulse...and how are we to gauge the love of a mother...

your last sentence was too simplistic and reducing someone pain to that...

and ermmm i think i have done exactly what i did not want to do...and so...will refrain from counter...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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its just a stupid moment...it u pass over it,u may change ur decision...but cant justify it...to end is sooo easy...to live is difficult...

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