Karma and in Bidaai:Mod's note PG5 - Page 4

Originally posted by: sweetkanu

@ vishmewell true

as u mentioned for a gud purpose if sumone lies that is not a sin there are alott of example in mahabharat and Lord Krishna himself propagates arjun for his dharma . we can say mahabharat contains much philosphical material. and we can also say So if Lord Ram was idealistic then Lord Krishna was realistic.

dharma and Karma , if rightly understood and rightly applied, make a person's
life prosper.

good Dharma = good Karma

You summed it up excellently sweetkanu.👏👏👏

Dharma = good Karma!!! Brilliant!! You and dewdrop-pearl have so much undertanding about philosophy, dharma and karma. Discussion with you guys is very stimulating to me... 😳😳😳

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Ya I know Arjun and Krishna are Nar Narayan. As far as Mahabharatha is concerned, I think Arjun got moksha after that, as whatever he did, he did for his Karma. Even the 'cheating' part, he did bcos Krishna himself asked him to do it. So y would he be punished for it when he just obeyed God's command? And he did that to contribute towards the prevalance of overall good, he just blindly followed God's path. Not only that, in Hindu religion, we dont have hell and heaven like many other religions. Our belief is what ever you have to enjoy, or whatever you have to suffer, it can only be done on earth as there is no place which can give pleasure and pain as earth. So even if someone does something wrong, he will just keep taking rebirth till he finishes off his karma. But I dont thik Arjun took any more rebirths after that. So I think he got moksha thereafter.

Arjun did not go to hell for that...he went because he was proud of his "being the best dhanurdhar"...his pride and ego was responsible..

@ vishmewell thanx now iam also stimulated and iam also loving the discussion 😆😆😆

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

@Red: Sadhna did no misjudgement. She did the right thing to abide by the rule of law. In a country where hundreds of men are given away by their mother's to protect India and its democracy - civilisation ... Sadhna's sacrifice towards the most precious cornerstone of civilisation and harmony - THE RULE OF LAW - is extraordinary.

It can in now way be equal to Dharma Raj's denial to lie even when Krishna tells him to. In Sadhna's case, it was an EVIL VASUNDHARA AND A VERY DERAILED/CORRUPT LAWYER who told her to lie. Also, a very fragile sister who lost her sense of good and bad.

Krishna, the essense of God, The mirror image of the Lord ... or if you want, may call him the Lord (as although the sun is shown in the most clear mirror, it do not become the sun, still if you point at it and say it is the Sun, you are not wrong. The physical body of Krishna, subjected to dust is not GOD, but the spirit within is the Spirit of God. Same for Jesus, Mohammad, or any other Manifestation of the Devine Reality - the Supreme Creator ... the One Source ... God).

Now, provided the description above...Krishna, the true light, cannot do something which is a BLEMISH. When he asks Dharma Raj to say something, at that instant that WORD becomes the WORD OF GOD (look into Bible or Quran)... and the word of GOD, no matter how opposite to visible things may seem - IS THE SOLE TRUTH. Because immediately, as that word is spoken or the command given ... it BECOMES the greatest and reigining truth. So if Dharma Raj denies this truth, he denies Krishna ... and he welcomes a wrath. However, the patient and forgiving Krishna probably forgive him.

@Blue: I dont think the gambling away his brother and all ever deemed fit anywhere. Why you say such a thing? .. I never heard it was deemed fit. Maybe he was not scholded as an elder (which I dont know), but its not fit. GAMBLING ITSELF IS UNFIT.

Sadhna giving up on Alekh is not selling him (and you have been inciting people by repeating this again and again). Sadhna just gave up on a relationship for something more cemented. This relationship with Alekh seemed to be the core reason of Alekh's unease at that point (no matter what her personally things in hiding). And repeated confirmation of that through Mallika, Vasu and Alekh himself was more than enough. Sadhna saw that it was perhaps just herself, and her fancy. For a fancy you cannot sacrifice such a cemented relationship like Mama-Mami's bond ' or Ragini's stable mind (so that she doesn't become mad or smth'as she said she would if she lost).

Sadhna's burning is an Agni Pariksha of an INNOCENT PERSON. Not a punishment. It is a Test (Pariksha) and a very HIGH test (only directed at souls of such high station). Through this test, she came out purer and brighter. Its just that she is so innocent, that through the AGNI her reality (which is as pure as the purest form of Gold) is evident and ever more bright!

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Originally posted by: sweetkanu

@ vishmewell thanx now iam also stimulated now and iam also loving the discussion 😆😆😆

Anytime dear 🤗

Philosophy is like an ocean... Actually you can find philosophy right around you... the trees, plants, birds, animals and even the insects... You keep gazing at the sky you can be just lost in philosophical thoughts all night. I do that whenever I cn't fall asleep...

I have a vacation home in smoky mountains on top of the mountain where there are no people just the nature to keep you comapny and when I keep gazing at the trees I feel so amzed how they grow tall and strong while the roots are always into the ground, the actual tree itself is facing the sky tall and high all the time. The philosophical thought I get looking at a tree is although living with people and doing what one needs to do, our head should always be looking towards the universe which is nothing but Vishnu (meaning all pervading). 😛😊 Just imagine the feeling of gazing at Vishnu all the time!!! 😛😳

Originally posted by: vishmewell

Anytime dear 🤗

Philosophy is like an ocean... Actually you can find philosophy right around you... the trees, plants, birds, animals and even the insects... You keep gazing at the sky you can be just lost in philosophical thoughts all night. I do that whenever I cn't fall asleep...

I have a vacation home in smoky mountains on top of the mountain where there are no people just the nature to keep you comapny and when I keep gazing at the trees I feel so amzed how they grow tall and strong while the roots are always into the ground, the actual tree itself is facing the sky tall and high all the time. The philosophical thought I get looking at a tree is although living with people and doing what one needs to do, our head should always be looking towards the universe which is nothing but Vishnu (meaning all pervading). 😛😊 Just imagine the feeling of gazing at Vishnu all the time!!! 😛😳

Originally posted by: sweetkanu

vishmewell lovely ji 👏👏👏I think our mind has infinite power if we can tame it. 😆 iam a bit poor in philosphy lolz

Yes, we don't use even 10% of our brain's capability. Isn't that intriguing?

Originally posted by: vishmewell

I would rather not call "HIndu" a religion because it is way of life. HIndu Philosophy is based on Karma theory. Good Karma, Bad Karma. In layman's words, one's rewards in life or sufferings are equal proportions to one's own acts.

One determines their own destiny according to Hindu Philosophy.

Yudhishtir aka Dharma Raj the oldest of Pandavas who is an ICON for truth and dharma fell for the temptation and obsession of gambling and lost his riches, then his army, then his whole kingdom. But that did not even stop him from ending the gambling game until he gambled away his brothers one after the other and at last even Daupadi his crowned queen and wife.

Although Pandavas were chosen to be favorites of Lord Krishna, still were exiled for 13 years. Could Lord Krishna not averted their exile? He could, but would not as Dharam Raj did Sauda of his brother's and wife. Hence, must pay for his actions.

First, Sadhana in Bidaai also has to go into exile for her misjudgment and not testifying in favor of Ranvir because she could not lie. Dharam Raj also faced similar challenge during Kurukshetra war. Lord Krishna himself prompted Dharma Raj to shout a lie "Ashwadhama Athaha, Kunjaraha" the kunjaraha was rather in a low tone to establish dharma. May be not lying for a good cause or dharma is also not good?

Secondly, as Dharam Raj's actions of gambling away his brother's and wife are deemed fit, so is Sadhana's making sauda of marriage is also deemed fit. Hence the burning in fire?

It is only the epic Sita of Ramayan in the human form who remained unharmed by fire!

Thus justice of karma theory always prevails! These aspects of Mahabharat and Ramayan are depicted very well in Bidaai.

Also, beautifully established that a mother is mother. She can never do harm to her own children. Sometimes taking tough stand is a necessary evil as a mother's role.

Mahabharat is a very complicated Epic. It's not really truth vs. falsehood rather it has many grey shades.

Yudhishtir , did lie,
He did say ashwathdhama was killed ( and hten he said slowly , the elephant) even though dhron did not hear that part and his rath ( chariot, yudishter's) came down and fell upon the earth like other chariots because it counted as a lie. Before that when ever he travelled his chariot was an inch above the ground.

He was responsible for Dhron's death.

The whole story is mixed with false priorities. And thus even wariors like dhron, kripacharya, bheeshm, and Karn had to face the consequences.

Pandavas were not really the favorites of Krishna, in reality his favorites were all. He loved even shakuni. In one of the versions, when a magical box was bought to Abimanyu's would be ( i forgot her name) she was the daughter of balram, it showed what ones heart desires.

She saw Abimanyu, her mother saw riches, Balram saw dhuryodhan, and Krishan saw shakuni.

In another narration it was said that shakuni had 100 brothers in a previous birth. Whom Dhuryodhan got Killed by putting them in one room wiht no food and water.
Shakuni was one of them.

So he basically took some flesh from all the 100 brothers thighs and made his pasay (dice) and vowed to destroy dhuryoodhan. So when he came back (rebirth concept) he basically avenged by causing destruction of the entire kaurava, the 100 brothers, cuase he lost his.

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About Karma.. well thats Hinduism yes

About Deeds there are other concepts as well: which are prevalent in the Christo-Judaic-Islam traditions


When ever anyone does anything wrong, or good.
He is either rewarded in this life and hereafter

or his good deeds are saved so that he will be rewarded in the hereafter.

So that is why many times we see good people going through many phases of difficulties but yet they are not rewarded because of this concept of hereafter.

Same with wrong,

that when someone does wrong he is either punished here
or his deeds are counted and he gets punished in the hereafter by going to the hellfire.

The concept of accountability is there.. in all religions except there are variations as to how its depicted.

Originally posted by: suchitra_1

Mahabharat is a very complicated Epic. It's not really truth vs. falsehood rather it has many grey shades.

Yudhishtir , did lie,
He did say ashwathdhama was killed ( and hten he said slowly , the elephant) even though dhron did not hear that part and his rath ( chariot, yudishter's) came down and fell upon the earth like other chariots because it counted as a lie. Before that when ever he travelled his chariot was an inch above the ground.

He was responsible for Dhron's death.

The whole story is mixed with false priorities. And thus even wariors like dhron, kripacharya, bheeshm, and Karn had to face the consequences.

Pandavas were not really the favorites of Krishna, in reality his favorites were all. He loved even shakuni. In one of the versions, when a magical box was bought to Abimanyu's would be ( i forgot her name) she was the daughter of balram, it showed what ones heart desires.

abhimanyu got married to Uttara...daughter of Biraat Raja, where Pandavs spent the 13th year
r u talking about someone else

She saw Abimanyu, her mother saw riches, Balram saw dhuryodhan, and Krishan saw shakuni.

In another narration it was said that shakuni had 100 brothers in a previous birth. Whom Dhuryodhan got Killed by putting them in one room wiht no food and water.
Shakuni was one of them.

So he basically took some flesh from all the 100 brothers thighs and made his pasay (dice) and vowed to destroy dhuryoodhan. So when he came back (rebirth concept) he basically avenged by causing destruction of the entire kaurava, the 100 brothers, cuase he lost his.

i also heard this.

when Drithrashtra and Gandhari were to get married, all of the Gandhar brothers and their father were held in captivity. Food was given for one person in the prison. One son of the Gandhar Naresh (later named Shakuni) asked evry one to let him have the food and survive and that he will ruin the entire Kaurav clan. This brother of Gandhari , when he was taken out from the prison after everyone died looked like a "shakun" and hence named shakuni. he then made dices from the bones.



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About Karma.. well thats Hinduism yes

About Deeds there are other concepts as well: which are prevalent in the Christo-Judaic-Islam traditions

true..


When ever anyone does anything wrong, or good.
He is either rewarded in this life and hereafter

or his good deeds are saved so that he will be rewarded in the hereafter.

So that is why many times we see good people going through many phases of difficulties but yet they are not rewarded because of this concept of hereafter.

Same with wrong,

that when someone does wrong he is either punished here
or his deeds are counted and he gets punished in the hereafter by going to the hellfire.

The concept of accountability is there.. in all religions except there are variations as to how its depicted.