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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

@ Vishmewell & Omshanthi (wow both of ur names sound so good together 😆) : Well guys, I dint have any doubts here, was just clarifying a small aspect of 'when lies or cheating can be justified' through Mahabharata 😳.

I am aware of all these stories, its just that I dint elaborate it much in my post as if I would have, it would have been too long a post. I know very well the stories of Abhimanyu and how he was killed in the Chakravyu, how he had heard the stories when he was in his mother's womb, but unfortunately, he dint hear the climax of how to break the Chakravyu, thats how he dies inside it.
true, also Dronacharya who was the master planner of this, changed the chakrabyuhu style at the end...it was their game plan which Abhimanyu was not aware of..Abhimanyu was actually "Chandra/Chandmama" who had to come to earth for one sin, again Karma and he was cursed to stay for 12 years on earth. Chandra was born as Abhimanyu, as Subhadra and Arjun;s son, because Subhadr and Arjuns's lovestory also was destined to bring in Abhimnayu aka Chandra
I am also aware of Karna's life story, as to how he went to learn these arts lying he was a Brahmin, but the Guru finds out he was a Kshatriya when he potrayed courage of not moving from his place when a bug was biting him badly and the Guru was sleeping on his lap, thats when the Guru realises he is a Kshatriya as only a Kshatriya can demonstrate such courage (btw, even am a Kshatriya 😳). You dint mention about the Kavach Kundal of Karan, which was another reason as to why he could be defeated. As long as Karan's Kavach Kundal was a part of his body, nobody would have been able to slay him! So his Kavach Kundal was taken away by Inder so that he can be killed. This was another reason for his defeat.
actually, I did not mention about kavach kundal directly, but did mention about how Karan laid down his life for Dharma...that was his way of indirectly contributing to the establishment of Dharma
I know that what each person was suffering is a result of his Karma, be it Dhuriyodhan, Bheeshmar, or anyone. You just get what you give. But that was not what I was trying to say here. I was just talking about how even Krishna provoked Arjun to cheat so that he could win the war. But still, in the end everything is justified as the intention of the wrong deed (cheating) was to destroy bad and for overall good to prevail. So similarly, in real life also cant we use that principle as long as our intention and end result is noble.
right, Dharma had to be established...remember "Balibadh' of Ram...Bali was wrong, esp, when he captivated Sugriv's wife and held her as his second woman ( a younger brother's wife is equivalent to a daughter)...still in his next birth as Krishna, Ram laid down His life in the hands of Jara (who was Vali reborn")

Edited by Omshanti1111 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

Well, I really thought I will not reply. But, couldnt control my temptation 😆
I thought once you said, you will not drag Ramayana and Mahabharath here. Then why now?
This is directed toward an intellectually stimulating spiritual thinking and discussion. Looks like we are traveling on different paths. 😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Bold - Yes, may be....😊
So it is better if I discuss with you in SGP where only Suhana's mahabharatha is concerned....😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

@Bold - Yes, may be....😊
So it is better if I discuss with you in SGP where only Suhana's mahabharatha is concerned....😆



SGP is more closer to Mahabharat that way. Every character has deep sense of philosophy yaar... 😛
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: vishmewell

I would rather not call "HIndu" a religion because it is way of life. HIndu Philosophy is based on Karma theory. Good Karma, Bad Karma. In layman's words, one's rewards in life or sufferings are equal proportions to one's own acts.

One determines their own destiny according to Hindu Philosophy
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Yudhishtir aka Dharma Raj the oldest of Pandavas who is an ICON for truth and dharma fell for the temptation and obsession of gambling and lost his riches, then his army, then his whole kingdom. But that did not even stop him from ending the gambling game until he gambled away his brothers one after the other and at last even Daupadi his crowned queen and wife.

Although Pandavas were chosen to be favorites of Lord Krishna, still were exiled for 13 years. Could Lord Krishna not averted their exile? He could, but would not as Dharam Raj did Sauda of his brother's and wife. Hence, must pay for his actions.

First, Sadhana in Bidaai also has to go into exile for her misjudgment and not testifying in favor of Ranvir because she could not lie. Dharam Raj also faced similar challenge during Kurukshetra war. Lord Krishna himself prompted Dharma Raj to shout a lie "Ashwadhama Athaha, Kunjaraha" the kunjaraha was rather in a low tone to establish dharma. May be not lying for a good cause or dharma is also not good?

Secondly, as Dharam Raj's actions of gambling away his brother's and wife are deemed fit, so is Sadhana's making sauda of marriage is also deemed fit. Hence the burning in fire?

It is only the epic Sita of Ramayan in the human form who remained unharmed by fire!

Thus justice of karma theory always prevails! These aspects of Mahabharat and Ramayan are depicted very well in Bidaai.

Also, beautifully established that a mother is mother. She can never do harm to her own children. Sometimes taking tough stand is a necessary evil as a mother's role.

@ vishmewell lovely post

@ pink totally agree with believe and mentioned before that ramayan and mahabharat are not just scroptures they are part and parcel of many indians or i can say at rue mirror.They have set many examples to follow in our day to day life, though they are pole apart in ideeologies but still have similarites.
@ red agree with u
Krishna explains to Arjuna the concept of dharma (duty) among other things and makes him see that it is his duty to fight. i believe more in karma and as u mentioned in the post i think The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.
Edited by sweetkanu - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Everything is determined by Karma...the Lord Himself is not free of that...
Balibadh is a direct evidence of that...if not in this birth, one is accountable for everything in another birth...
Ram killed Bali and then Jara killed Krishna...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Everything is determined by Karma...the Lord Himself is not free of that...

Balibadh is a direct evidence of that...if not in this birth, one is accountable for everything in another birth...
Ram killed Bali and then Jara killed Krishna...

Yes, we are going to see Indu's karma also soon ....😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweetkanu

@ vishmewell lovely post

@ pink totally agree with believe and mentioned before that ramayan and mahabharat are not just scroptures they are part and parcel of many indians or i can say at rue mirror.They have set many examples to follow in our day to day life, though they are pole apart in ideeologies but still have similarites.
@ red agree with u
Krishna explains to Arjuna the concept of dharma (duty) among other things and makes him see that it is his duty to fight. i believe more in karma and as u mentioned in the post i think The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.



Krishna propagates to do what is right without any attachment (mohh) and leave the results to him.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

Yes, we are going to see Indu's karma also soon ....😆

Karma for sure ... but now we are seeing his 'fruit of Karma"😆

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