Why more importance 2 RD Burman, Kishore? - Page 6

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Gettings is too much of a politica; process... I dont like singers cos they got awards... I like them cos they are good. and that song doesnt come to my mind in the first 100 or so.....atleast there are better songs.. so its not that I dont like that song.. I am not too much fan of that song... KK had better numbers in that movie.. which outscore this song..

And even if I for the timebeing just accept that song as his best.. I think thats just one in a decade or so.. how much does that say about Rafi.. If you tell just this fact of Rafi (about his presence in the 70's) to anyone. he would sound like a few song wonder..To know his real strength you have to go back and start off 20 years earlier...

ok if awards are political....then i guaruntee you that rafi was still number 2 in the 70's....he sang more songs in the 70's then KK....its a fact...and although KK outshined him in the early 70's....Rafi made a comeback from 76-80..he sang in movies such as..Laila Majnu (1976)...Amar Akbar Anthony (1977)..... Apnapan (1978)....Sargam (1979).... Dostana (1980)....Qurbani (1980)....The Burning Train (1980)...and Karz (1980)...and even from 70-74...he churned out acclaimed hits such as...khilona jaan kar....hum ko to jaan se pyari....acha hi huya dil toot gaya...chura liya hai....Yeh Jo Chilman Hain..... Itna to Yaad Hain Mujhe.....aaj mausum bara baiman hai.... Jhilmil Sitaron Ka.....Teree Galiyon Mein Na Rakhenge.....Tum jo Mil gaye Ho......i can go one and on with Rafi songs from the 70's but i think this is good enough...the only way this can be seen as a lean phase...is if we compare it to his earlier years...but it is expected....with his spat with lata...and KK emerging....compared to his output from the 50's and 60's....it was less...but nonetheless he was still #2...and not to mention KK had been singing since 1955 i think.but he wasn't really "accepted" until 1969 with the release of Aradhana...so i guess that was KK's lean period.....with the death of SDB and RDB's insistence to record with KK....sure KK took up the #1 spot in the 70's...but rafi gave him stiff competiton....and was defiately #2 if not #1 during a few of the years....

Originally posted by: jaskaran48

ok if awards are political....then i guaruntee you that rafi was still number 2 in the 70's....he sang more songs in the 70's then KK....its a fact...and although KK outshined him in the early 70's....Rafi made a comeback from 76-80..he sang in movies such as..Laila Majnu (1976)...Amar Akbar Anthony (1977)..... Apnapan (1978)....Sargam (1979).... Dostana (1980)....Qurbani (1980)....The Burning Train (1980)...and Karz (1980)...and even from 70-74...he churned out acclaimed hits such as...khilona jaan kar....hum ko to jaan se pyari....acha hi huya dil toot gaya...chura liya hai....Yeh Jo Chilman Hain..... Itna to Yaad Hain Mujhe.....aaj mausum bara baiman hai.... Jhilmil Sitaron Ka.....Teree Galiyon Mein Na Rakhenge.....Tum jo Mil gaye Ho......i can go one and on with Rafi songs from the 70's but i think this is good enough...the only way this can be seen as a lean phase...is if we compare it to his earlier years...but it is expected....with his spat with lata...and KK emerging....compared to his output from the 50's and 60's....it was less...but nonetheless he was still #2...and not to mention KK had been singing since 1955 i think.but he wasn't really "accepted" until 1969 with the release of Aradhana...so i guess that was KK's lean period.....with the death of SDB and RDB's insistence to record with KK....sure KK took up the #1 spot in the 70's...but rafi gave him stiff competiton....and was defiately #2 if not #1 during a few of the years....

See the debate is not about who was superior when its about why KK+RDB is so valued.. KK and RDB worked because it was a killing combination and the movies you mentioned for Rafi is not the same a lean period for KK with movies like ....

Padosan (1968) Jewel Thief (1967) Guide (1965) Teen Devian (1965) Door Gagan Ki Chhaon Mein (1964) Mr. X in Bombay (1964) Half Ticket (1962) Man-Mauji (1962) Jhumroo (1961) Dilli Ka Thug (1958) Nau Do Gyarah (1957) Paying Guest (1957) Funtoosh (1956) House No 44 (1955) Munimji (1954) Taxi Driver (1954) Jaal (1952)

Baazi(1951

......etc.

yes we can go on and on.. but the fact of the matter is everybody knows what CD's to buy of Rafi and what to buy of KK's+RDB's... in these cases reality works better than opining.. especially since if as you say Aradhana is KK's first hit.. then there is nothing more to argue here..

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

See the debate is not about who was superior when its about why KK+RDB is so valued.. KK and RDB worked because it was a killing combination and the movies you mentioned for Rafi is not the same a lean period for KK with movies like ....

Padosan (1968)

Jewel Thief (1967)

Guide (1965)

Teen Devian (1965)

Door Gagan Ki Chhaon Mein (1964)

Mr. X in Bombay (1964)

Half Ticket (1962)

Man-Mauji (1962)

Jhumroo (1961)

Dilli Ka Thug (1958)

Nau Do Gyarah (1957)

Paying Guest (1957)

Funtoosh (1956)

House No 44 (1955)

Munimji (1954)

Taxi Driver (1954)

Jaal (1952)

Baazi(1951

......etc.

yes we can go on and on.. but the fact of the matter is everybody knows what CD's to buy of Rafi and what to buy of KK's+RDB's... in these cases reality works better than opining.. especially since if as you say Aradhana is KK's first hit.. then there is nothing more to argue here..

i honestly believe that aradhana was his break out film...after that he started gettin more offers and became a serious singer...and yes RDB and KK had a killer combination....i have already stated that....they created great hits...i just took offense i guess to rafi being non-existent during the 70's...which he wasn't....good debate though....anyways...they are both legends...and were successful....so in the end...they will both go down in time as great singers....

OK you're just trying to cover the facts with your personal opinion. Just because YOU think that Rafi's 70s songs are not that great, it won't change the fact that they were HITS and liked by the masses. I only gave one example but that doesn't mean that he only had one hit in the decade. They have already been listed so I won't do that again. That's not what I consider to be "totally lost out". I would reserve that phrase for Kumar Sanu or Udit Narayan of today. They were so busy in the 90s but are pretty much gone now, especially the first one. Rafi sang many many more songs in his non-#1 years than these 2 do now and those songs were hits as well.

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

OK you're just trying to cover the facts with your personal opinion. Just because YOU think that Rafi's 70s songs are not that great, it won't change the fact that they were HITS and liked by the masses. I only gave one example but that doesn't mean that he only had one hit in the decade. They have already been listed so I won't do that again. That's not what I consider to be "totally lost out". I would reserve that phrase for Kumar Sanu or Udit Narayan of today. They were so busy in the 90s but are pretty much gone now, especially the first one. Rafi sang many many more forgettable songs in his non-#1 years than these 2 do now and those songs were hits as well.

Ok HR has more #1 hits in a single year over 20 or so which makes him more superior than Rafi I suppose.. ok.....so also Sonu is superior on those grounds.. and same holds true for others..so we dont have to involve KK here...

I just added that underlined word not because Rafi is bad or something but the songs were average...

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Ok HR has more #1 hits in a single year over 20 or so which makes him more superior than Rafi I suppose.. ok.....so also Sonu is superior on those grounds.. and same holds true for others..so we dont have to involve KK here...

I just added that underlined word not because Rafi is bad or something but the songs were average...

They seem forgettable to YOU, not to ME and many other people. Those songs are still sung by many contestants in reality shows, they haven't seem to have forgotten them. Stop trying to force your opinion on to the whole world. Just because you think the songs were average will not change the fact that Rafi was successful even in the 70s, and he was #2. And believe it or not, but yes, HR was the most successful in for about two years, he was #1 then. But I doubt he will be a top singer for 3 decades like Rafi Saab was.

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

They seem forgettable to YOU, not to ME and many other people. Those songs are still sung by many contestants in reality shows, they haven't seem to have forgotten them. Stop trying to force your opinion on to the whole world. Just because you think the songs were average will not change the fact that Rafi was successful even in the 70s, and he was #2. And believe it or not, but yes, HR was the most successful in for about two years, he was #1 then. But I doubt he will be a top singer for 3 decades like Rafi Saab was.

Ya he may be #2... but it was like KK was holding #1, #2, #3 and #4 was Rafi.. Thats what happened in the medley in HKKN same in YKB... the proportion in number of songs was 4:0.5.. This was not accident.. the point is KK outplayed everyone including mukesh, manna dey, in 70's...where even a strong person like OPN.. had to switch to KK in EBMD... neither he or Naushad.. could outlive the RD onslaught.. All in all it was an RDB+KK juggernaut which nobody could withstand for that whole decade..this is more significant when the same RDB had given all the songs to Rafi in TM.

Also there was a lot of politics..and groupism....

in the HKKN medley, Rafi sang the whole Chand Mera Dil part, which was the longest out of the 4 songs, and the only one which people sing alone in reality shows. KK sang "Aa dil kya" and like 2 lines in "Mil Gaya". So I would re-calculate that ratio as maybe 3:2. In the same movie, Rafi sang the title song, a bit at the end of "Yeh Ladka Haye Allah" and of course his award winning Kya Hua Tera Wada. KK sang Bachna Aye Haseeno and the least known song in the film, "hum ko to yaara teri yaari".

And you're saying KK outplayed Mukesh in the 70s? well duh, Mukesh died in 1976! so you can't even count him in because he didn't even live the full decade. But he also gave hits like Kabhi Kabhi, Kahin Door, Jis Gali Mein Tera Ghar etc. in the 70s. (now don't tell me those are forgettable too 🤢)

I'm not denying that RDB was the busiest in the 70s and that he used KK the most, but if he used anyone after KK, it was Rafi.

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

in the HKKN medley, Rafi sang the whole Chand Mera Dil part, which was the longest out of the 4 songs, and the only one which people sing alone in reality shows. KK sang "Aa dil kya" and like 2 lines in "Mil Gaya". So I would re-calculate that ratio as maybe 3:2. In the same movie, Rafi sang the title song, a bit at the end of "Yeh Ladka Haye Allah" and of course his award winning Kya Hua Tera Wada. KK sang Bachna Aye Haseeno and the least known song in the film, "hum ko to yaara teri yaari".

And you're saying KK outplayed Mukesh in the 70s? well duh, Mukesh died in 1976! so you can't even count him in because he didn't even live the full decade. But he also gave hits like Kabhi Kabhi, Kahin Door, Jis Gali Mein Tera Ghar etc. in the 70s. (now don't tell me those are forgettable too 🤢)

I'm not denying that RDB was the busiest in the 70s and that he used KK the most, but if he used anyone after KK, it was Rafi.

ok so lets see....Rafi= #1 in 50's and 60's #2 in 70's....KK nothing in the 50's or 60's...#1 70's....so id sum it up like dat....honestly....rafi produced hits in the 50's 60's and 70's...he was a little less prominent in the 70's because KK emerged after aradhana but i mean KK's first song was in 55 so i mean for 15 years....he pretty much didn't get recognized much.....this whole argmuent is getting out of proportion...lol....i thought we had allready agreed that kk was #1 in the 70's but Rafi was a close #2....now qwertyesque or w/e your name is your saying he was #4 gain....i just gave you like 20 songs that were hits and you still say he was number four.....man your ridiculous....your being too opinionated.....you need to look at it with a level headed approach....but w/e....your choice...if you think Rafi was #4 in 70's....den you need to seriously do some research and get your facts straight....

Originally posted by: jaskaran48

ok so lets see....Rafi= #1 in 50's and 60's #2 in 70's....KK nothing in the 50's or 60's...#1 70's....so id sum it up like dat....honestly....rafi produced hits in the 50's 60's and 70's...he was a little less prominent in the 70's because KK emerged after aradhana but i mean KK's first song was in 55 so i mean for 15 years....he pretty much didn't get recognized much.....this whole argmuent is getting out of proportion...lol....i thought we had allready agreed that kk was #1 in the 70's but Rafi was a close #2....now qwertesy or w/e your name is your saying he was #4 gain....i just gave you like 20 songs that were hits and you still say he was number four.....man your ridiculous....your being too opinionated.....you need to look at it with a level headed approach....but w/e....your choice...if you think Rafi was #4 in 70's....den you need to seriously do some research and get your facts straight....

Sadly I think RDB+KK made every other singer fade away.. all those numbers are just a way to help visualize...

Sum of all what you wrote.. people talk about RDB+KK.. you can do as many gulatis as you want jaisakarm... u cant do anything to something thats a fact. u cant differenttiate bet' heights of glory which RDB+KK reached compared to any combination. if you know the difference bet' the superstar status of Rajesh Khanna and anybody else there is a chance u will know what I am saying..😊