Dearth of Music Directors, not Singers - Page 9

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Yes 😭, unfortunately my Himesh topics are a big flop, and never manage to reach a dozen pages. Maybe I also need to start bumping my Himesh topics just to keep them alive - even if it means half the posts in the topic will be mine. If anyone complains about that, I'll simply call it a revolutionary topic. 😃

Yes, in your threads, maybe half the posts would be yours. In this thread of mine, out of 92 posts, just 22 were mine and the remaining 70 posts were made by Jaadogar, Kabhi21, Dolly, Gopalbhai, Ethnos, Barnali, jhsurti, surtaal, manjujain, sur_sangam, shadytown 😊, prenz13, aphrodite, peekay4u, iron.

Revolution can be casual to some. For others, it can be the purpose which drives their life.

Change in the mindset / thinking of the present MDs can happen if they take a break. Not necessarily going to the jungle as Punjini says! Though of course I would personally like to see a certain set of MDs and singers take a break in the freezing climes of Antarctica or the hot Sahara forever and ever!

But, yes taking a break, going to a different setting, leading a different lifestyle (even if it be only for a limited number of weeks or months). But something that will take them away from what they are accustomed to. Something that will waken their inner senses and sensitivities. Something that will prompt them to THINK differently - a little out of the box. That's what is needed. Some introspection.

Not much stimulus seems to be coming from their (MDs) present settings. And this is reflected in their dull, dragging, duplicated (may be even centenniallated' -if there be such a word) compositions. So, a change that will give them that much needed stimulus is really needed.

Haven't we ourselves felt the need to take a break and do something different? That's because we feel we aren't putting in our best to whatever we are presently doing. A break helps.

Most of Tagore's beautiful poetry came from the wonderful stimulus he received during his several jaunts across the country. New sights, new experiences. Wonder if he could've brought out the best in himself by just staying in his library back home!

Yes, I too think a break is necessary for todays' MDs to reflect for once on what they are catering. Would they appreciate or enjoy their own compositions in the privacy of their feelings? If they are true to themselves, they might not. But the reality is that even if they take a sabbatical, someone else will push into their place and we will have the same lacuna that we are now facing.

A revolution is necessary but it takes time and dedication on the part of the contributors. It is a long long process. We have to teach appreciation for good music and then hope that it is passed on. Listeners are consumers so to speak and MDs are manufacturers. It is a consumer driven society at the moment. So I feel that the consumers must force the MDs to give good music. Now we are talking of a large large section. It is an uphill task for sure but not that it cannot be achieved. People desire change over a time. A time for melody will be back. When? I don't know but I haven't lost hope...

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

I think best solution is to shut down all current MDs, as Naushaad or RDB can not come back, so use their songs in new movies.
I think all songs which were filmed on Helan can be fit for Mallika, Yana and Rakhi....
What all songs will be fit for Aaapka Saroor? 😉

😆😆No Jaadogarji, I don't want Mallika to pollute the songs which were meant for Helen. I would vote for songless films for the next few years - like in Hollywood. Let film makers concentrate on good plots and direction and not rely on item songs to get them through. And the MDs can take a well-earned rest. 😊 They have worked so hard that they are nearly brain-dead.

Originally posted by: punjini

Yes, in your threads, maybe half the posts would be yours. In this thread of mine, out of 92 posts, just 22 were mine and the remaining 70 posts were made by Jaadogar, Kabhi21, Dolly, Gopalbhai, Ethnos, Barnali, jhsurti, surtaal, manjujain, sur_sangam, shadytown 😊, prenz13, aphrodite, peekay4u, iron.

Revolution can be casual to some. For others, it can be the purpose which drives their life.

Oh thanks for the tips! I was talking about my topics, but it's nice that you went through all the effort to research the posts per member in your topic. So it figures I only need to contribute a quarter of the posts in order to keep my topic rolling? Whew! That's nice to know. I'll keep that in mind. 😊

I'll also keep in mind that in case the topic is lagging, I just need to instigate a member on the thread, so that he responds in kind - and our back and forth can bring some life into the topic, and keep it moving. Thanks again. Precious lessons. 😛

Originally posted by: punjini

😆😆No Jaadogarji, I don't want Mallika to pollute the songs which were meant for Helen. I would vote for songless films for the next few years - like in Hollywood. Let film makers concentrate on good plots and direction and not rely on item songs to get them through. And the MDs can take a well-earned rest. 😊 They have worked so hard that they are nearly brain-dead.

May be we should promote non filmi music in a more intense way. That way music will not be slave to filmi situations. Only pure musical talent will count . I will not have to enjoy this songs as a by-product of the movies but as music on its own merit. 😃

ay wuts all these bullshits about melodies being gone nowdayz Ar rehman had great melodies in Guru n jatinlalit had good melodious songs in Fanaa Pritam gave good melodies in lots of movies some of them weren't copied. I think todays musicians are more skillful den the 50s , 60s 70s n 80s. Composers dont get to compose wuteva they want to the movie producers and directors demand the kind of music we are gettin frm films today soh dont blame the composers for it

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

May be we should promote non filmi music in a more intense way. That way music will not be slave to filmi situations. Only pure musical talent will count . I will not have to enjoy this songs as a by-product of the movies but as music on its own merit. 😃

Yes, but nowaday even non-film music is made into music videos where some phoney situations are shown. More than the music itself, they concentrate on the sets and costumes.

A.R. Rahman's creativity in fully glory came out in 'Water'. After that I don't see much. Guru songs were pretty sub-std if you compare those with 'Water'. Most of his music begins and ends with too much of percussion, beats and more beats. His music in the Tamil movie 'Kandookondein' was pretty good though. Jatin-Lalit also give out good tunes at times. Not always.

And I don't think we are 'bull-shitting' (to use your words, which btw aren't part of my vocabulary!) when we say that MDs of the '50s and '60s were in a league of their own. A discerning listener would know what we mean anyway

Originally posted by: Swakhardeb

ay wuts all these bullshits about melodies being gone nowdayz Ar rehman had great melodies in Guru n jatinlalit had good melodious songs in Fanaa Pritam gave good melodies in lots of movies some of them weren't copied. I think todays musicians are more skillful den the 50s , 60s 70s n 80s. Composers dont get to compose wuteva they want to the movie producers and directors demand the kind of music we are gettin frm films today soh dont blame the composers for it

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

...That way music will not be slave to filmi situations. Only pure musical talent will count . ...

What situations? These days I seldom find a situation to match. Usually it is a forced & contrived thing.

Another aspect that really hurts me is the way the singers are made to sing, stretching their vocal cords to the extent that they have to stretch their necks in full extension as if to show that they are working hard at singing and a real effort has been made and people clap on that aspect, not the singing. A soft song will not receive as much applause as a high-pitched song. The higher the note the better a singer seems to be the equation. Rafi saab had a tremendous range but the composers used it judiciously.

A singer doesn't have to be perfect in order to be melodious. Case in point, Mukesh.