Waning Charisma of ARR - Page 4

Originally posted by: chatbuster

yaar, i cldnt be bothered with those awards. i am in this for my own listening pleasure, not someone else's. sorry for putting it that crudely, but it happens to be my honest and non-hypocritical viewpoint.

and everyone? u cant really mean that do u? one's gotta be good to survive in this field like in any other. and again, if other MDs are not "copying", then it's not for lack of motivation, just that they probably dont know how to. Heavens knows most of them are as money-hungry as the next guy.

btw, werent some of the other greats "cheaters and copiers" too? did that nice lil fact stop you from supporting them? did that stop filmfare from handing out awards to them? u cld check up on various music-related threads in this regard

Sorry, totally butting in here, but why is it so hard for the MDs to just give the original creaters their due? Then we still get to listen to good songs, we don't feel bad about it and the original creaters as well as the MDs are happy.

I mean, doing things the right way is not always done, true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't advocate it.

Originally posted by: sareg

I agree, if we reward someone(appreciation is a form of reward) for plagiarism, You wring the neck of creativity

As it is, that is rare to see someone Different

For a change I have not seen much of similarity in ARR's music in recent times(maybe Sinhaji is seeing something that I am not seeing). I would take him over almost anyone out there in bollywood(maybe except JL who have split now)

i think creativity takes many different forms. ability to "assimilate" ideas from other sources (like some of our "cheaters" can) is also creativity.😉

fwiw, we shld give credit to some of our "cheaters and copiers" for making different exotic music accessible to us. otherwise it wld be the same ghisa-pita stuff day in day out.😛

Originally posted by: chatbuster

in a career span that has spanned quite a few years and films by now, surprising that these are the only movies we can come up with. even throw in kisna, but still the "stats" dont come anywhere near the star-billing, do they? look at his filmography on the net and u'll find lots of mediocrity.😊

Actually rahul I named just four films to show that the composition was not similar. But if you ask me, i like quite a few more of his films.May be not all the songs of each film but atleast a few tracks/ film.

I loved his songs from films like water, zubeida, bombay, dil se,nayak,saathiya,sapney,Rang de basanti, the legend of Bhagat Singh , a couple of tracks from thakshak,pukar, the gentleman,kisna to name some....

like we said earlier, he grows on you.On the first hear he may not sound that appealing but after a few repeat hearing, its just impossible to ignore him. I still feel he is far far better than many of his contemporaries..

Originally posted by: galois311

Sorry, totally butting in here, but why is it so hard for the MDs to just give the original creaters their due? Then we still get to listen to good songs, we don't feel bad about it and the original creaters as well as the MDs are happy.

I mean, doing things the right way is not always done, true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't advocate it.

i am all for giving people their due like you are sugesting, but this is a different track from the one taken by others here. sareg seems to find the process of "copying" something that wld stifle future creativity. jadoo finds copying unethical in the first place. i was simply pointing out that (a) for my own listening pleasure, i am "grateful" these guys actually copied something good from elsewhere (instead of "building" upon the same desi sources) (b) creativity takes different forms, and sometimes can be spurred by copying itself😊

Originally posted by: galois311

Sorry, totally butting in here, but why is it so hard for the MDs to just give the original creaters their due? Then we still get to listen to good songs, we don't feel bad about it and the original creaters as well as the MDs are happy.

I mean, doing things the right way is not always done, true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't advocate it.

In my opinion, it does not feel good for a director to say

Story copied from such and such movie

Music copied from such and such movie

Lyrics copied from such and such movie

and so on........ and if you are really ethical you have to ask for permission from the original source and he may give you permission or not. If he give you permission, can you pay the fee according to the laws of those countries. So it is better to be quiet. Just my pov😊

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

If for earning money one can do everything then why is smuggling a crime, Can we support all mumbai's bhais, Lifting a song from other source is also smuggling, smuggler does the same thing. Smuggler also bring nice stuff from other country for the public. Both are crime and both should be punished.

yaar, yeh bahut emotional angle ho raha hai. like i said, i am all for giving people due credit. noone wld advocate people breaking laws and being unethical etc. But in my mind, the debate is bigger than that. For me, the question is whether people shld engage in "copying" even after due credit is given or shld they simply be striving for originality each time? In fact, doesn't the fact that someone gets a hit by "bringing in" external influences spur creativity, rather than inhibit it?

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

If for earning money one can do everything then why is smuggling a crime, Can we support all mumbai's bhais, Lifting a song from other source is also smuggling, smuggler does the same thing. Smuggler also bring nice stuff from other country for the public. Both are crime and both should be punished.

Well jadooji, copying is not the ethical thing to do unless the source has been acknowledged, but in our music world, many greats of yesteryears also have borrowed, got inspied or copied as you may call it from "other sources". Someof those so called inspired/copied songs are our all time great hits also.

So you see its been done before and is still being done. Its not the best solution, its no solution but if we are to condemn these guys then we have to condemn all those around the world, all those from the past too who have resorted to it. Are we willing to do that ?

Originally posted by: adi_0112

Actually rahul I named just four films to show that the composition was not similar. But if you ask me, i like quite a few more of his films.May be not all the songs of each film but atleast a few tracks/ film.

I loved his songs from films like water, zubeida, bombay, dil se,nayak,saathiya,sapney,Rang de basanti, the legend of Bhagat Singh , a couple of tracks from thakshak,pukar, the gentleman,kisna to name some....

like we said earlier, he grows on you.On the first hear he may not sound that appealing but after a few repeat hearing, its just impossible to ignore him. I still feel he is far far better than many of his contemporaries..

must take u an hour i suppose to get thru all his good work, no? baar baar wohi music sunte ho?😛

Hello everyone

Few days back I tried to access this site: it has scores of citings (inspirations of our MDs 😉 ), some of them were right while some where poles apart.
Neverthless it was an interesting site maintained by one Mr Kartik.
It also mentioned some inspiratons of ARR which were completely wrong.

To begin with ARR was really good. But, then a discerning listener can make out that they all possess the same beats, rhythm, percussion, etc. End result = most of his compositions seem to be variations of each other. Having said this, I do like few of his compositions e.g. 'Naina' in Water, 'Tu hi re' in Bombay and some songs from 'Lagaan'. I'd also like to add that I no longer find songs from 'Roja' as appealing as before.